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NYTimes has a long essay and photo essay about Manny's younger days.

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That’s a good article. I still love Many. He had The Gift, and not many people do.

by Brad D on Apr 26, 2011 5:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

One of my favorite hitters to watch. Ever.

by TribeJay on Apr 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mickey White, the Indians scouting director once told me that he thinks he saw more of Manny than most Scouts as he was a city boy. The other scouts being predominantly country didn’t want to go where they had to go to see him…

...not the best color man in the league for nothing

by stuart dean on Apr 26, 2011 7:01 AM EDT reply actions  

You do wonder about his mental makeup and what part it played in his talent. Anxiety, ADD or Autism? It’s hard to really gauge since he is such an emotionally reclusive person.

by Toxicadam on Apr 26, 2011 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I get the sense that he is just a very private person who figured out very quickly how to protect himself from intense media glare and perhaps even hangers-on. His aloofness, in other words, strikes me as at least in part studied. Thus, one of my favorite Manny stories is the one from last year when he refused to answer post game questions unless they were asked in Spanish, this in spite of his fluency in English.

by jdudas on Apr 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Manny and always will. I will also always see a distinction between Manny with Cleveland and post-Cleveland Manny, paying special attention to focus as exclusively as possible on the on-the-field post-Cleveland Manny. “Manny being Manny” is also part of the palimpsest of hate I hold for the Boston Red Sox.

by APV on Apr 26, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh. It’s apparently contrarian and secret-handshake cool to defend Manny, because it’s easy to hate on Manny. But in Manny’s case, it seems pretty well deserved.

Of coruse, you (and most LGTers) are capable of distinguishing between appreciating his baseball skills (among the best ever) and the rest. As a ballplayer, he was a marvel. I miss him in a Tribe uni. But I can’t imagine every saying, “I like Manny and always will.” No way.

by tabler84 on Apr 27, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much as a general rule I don’t like professional athletes as people. This is not because I think they are necessarily jerks, but they live in a world that is so entirely foreign to me that I just find no basis to feel any personal connection to them in that context. So when I say I like Manny and always will, it has to do with my feelings about him as a ballplayer and my feelings about watching him play the game.

by APV on Apr 27, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.
I worked in baseball for a couple of years and took great enjoyment from the coaches, scouts and FO types but as a rule avoided the players

...not the best color man in the league for nothing

by stuart dean on Apr 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

This story reminded me of his 1995 home run of Eckersley where the newspaper reported that Eck mouthed “wow”. I remember thinking it was another word he mouthed.

by haymister on Apr 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

No, it was “wow.” He had a long at bat where he fouled off several pitches. As the ball headed into the seats, Eck turned to his catcher and said “wow.” The reason is that generally, young hitters who are up there battling to stay alive in the at-bat don’t just turn on an inside fastball like that and hit it 9 miles. Eck was recognizing that he was a special hitter, even at 23.

by TribeJay on Apr 26, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and it was a very big wow. Almost as big as the hit itself.

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on Apr 26, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That play made Manny my favorite player when I was 10 years old. It was pretty heartbreaking when he left.

by Chemo on Apr 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think sometimes we’re tempted to forget that:
Steroids + No Talent = Not A MLB Player
and
Steroids + Some Talent =/= Hall Of Fame

by 9James on May 2, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve always told people that what angers me most about the steroids era isn’t the players that got left behind, but that it is hard to simply enjoy the awesome talents of the accused. Barry Bonds still would have hit a ton of home runs and Manny Ramirez still would have been the best right handed hitter I’ve ever seen in person. They would all still be immensely talented and most still likely at the top of the game. We could look back at their careers with unbridled joy. Now, it simply leads to a debate, either internally or externally. I feel they’ve done less to ruin the game while it was played and more to ruin the nostalgia.

"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."

by USSChoo on May 2, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barry Bonds was mesmerizing to watch bat when he wasn’t being intentionally walked. Later revelations do not change that.

by Jay on May 2, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t care if he was on PEDs, he was amazing to watch. I was lucky enough to live in the Bay Area for his entire SF career. I only saw him live a few times, but I would watch most Giants games instead of the A’s just to watch him hit 4 times a game.

Also! It didn’t hurt he was on my NL fantasy league team every season til his last 2.

by talonk on May 3, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bonds got me through the last rebuild. I had Extra Innings anyway, so I watched every last damned Bonds at-bat when I was in the house. Probably saw 500 of them over 2002-2003.

by Jay on May 3, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The flip side is how many pitchers were using, too.

So, was there in general, a ‘level’ playing field or not?

by emd2k3 on May 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

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