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Game Five: Indians 8, Red Sox 4

Jason Varitek gets some remedial training on the rules of baseball.

This was not an aesthetically pleasing game of baseball, and I would bet that any non-partisan fan would have changed the channel in disgust by the third inning. The two starters pitched as if they were being paid by the minute, and while their elapsed time on the mound was rather large, their inning totals were anything but. Add in the brutal weather, and it would have been a miserable experience for those at Progressive Field had the Indians not won the game. Please don't get me wrong; the Indian position players and relievers played very well, but the starters totally upset the pace of play.

Josh Tomlin was placed before Mitch Talbot in the Indians rotation, and judging by their initial performances, for good reason. While Tomlin breezed through seven innings, Talbot strained to record each individual out. His pitching line looks pretty good if you ignore the innings, but a pitcher who consistently has to be removed that early will ruin a bullpen.

Star-divide

Thankfully, the Indians got to face a pitcher who was worse than Talbot. Daisuke Matsuzaka somehow stuck around through five innings, and was just a couple of hits away from leaving the game as the winning pitcher of record. He gave up a first-inning two-run homer to Shin-Soo Choo; Matsuzaka apparently didn't watch Choo's long swings the night before, and served up one of his variety of slow breaking pitches.

Boston came back in the second, scoring two runs on one solid single and several well-placed dribblers. Carl Crawford hit the hardest ball of the inning into Jack Hannahan's glove for the third out. The Indians took back the lead in the third on A Cabrera's bloop single, and the score remained so until well after both starters had left. This game would be a contest of bullpen depth.

Boston's Dennys Reyes took over for Matsuzaka in the sixth. The pudgy LOOGY couldn't get near the plate, hitting the first two batters of the inning, then walking Hannahan on four pitches despite Hannahan's squaring up to bunt on the first three. Dan Wheeler was brought in to face Michael Brantley with the bases loaded, an at-bat that would be the hinge of the game. Brantley lined a Wheeler offering right to Kevin Youkilis, but the normally sure-handed fielder dropped the ball. The Boston third baseman picked up the ball and stepped on third, and Boston could have gotten two outs on the play if Jason Varitek hadn't zoned out. When the veteran catcher received the ball from Youkilis, he stepped on the plate as if making a force-out play, making no attempt tag Travis Buck as he crossed the plate. Because Youkilis had stepped on third before throwing home, the play at home was no longer a force-out, turning that second out into an Indians run. Asdrubal Cabrera took full advantage by slamming a three-run homer soon afterward.

Thanks to Talbot's short outing, Manny Acta had to use five relievers, including two just to get out of the fifth. Rafael Perez recorded four outs on just 17 pitches, so he should be available tomorrow. Thanks to Matt LaPorta's late homer, Chris Perez got the night off, but Fausto Carmona needs to at least pitch through six innings so that the bullpen won't be tired out for the weekend series in Seattle.

A side comment: Adrian Gonzalez is a really, really good hitter.

Next Up: 12:05 PM. Lester vs. Carmona.

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via www.fangraphs.com

Highest WPA Lowest WPA
A Cabrera .152 Talbot -.094
R Perez .148 O Cabrera -.040
Durbin .096 Herrmann -.026

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Well, I choose to be optimistic and look at the strikeouts. Not every offense will be as patient as Boston’s.

by Matt Y. on Apr 7, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

“but a pitcher who consistently has to be removed that early will ruin a bullpen.”

Don’t worry. There’s no such thing as a consistent pitcher.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 7, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

There is certainly such a thing as a pitcher who consistently needs to be removed early.

by Jay on Apr 7, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was basically trying to be funny.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 10, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

“…despite the third baseball squaring on the first three.”

B’oh.

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"Most players will tell you that even when they're 100%, they're not really 100% ... if that makes sense."

by vbc3 on Apr 7, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

A side comment: Adrian Gonzalez is a really, really good hitter.

And how.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 7, 2011 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

“Josh Tomlin was placed before Mitch Talbot in the Indian rotation, and judging by their respective initial performances, for good reason.”

Good recap, but this is a weak comment. Might as well just say, “Tomlin was good for one start and Talbot wasn’t.” There’s a reason that we don’t spend much time judging baseball players by their first game of the season.

by tabler84 on Apr 7, 2011 5:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Goof point. That second inning had one solid base hit. Talbot was hurt by three dinky-knocks, so I can’t really say he pitched poorly. Besides, to follow the comparison to its end, are we to say that the pitching order should place Fausto and CC in the 4 & 5 spots?

All in all, Talbot surprised me. The wheels could have completely fallen off in that second inning, but I felt rather confident that he would get through it with minimal damage (which is what happened).

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 7, 2011 8:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

GOOD point

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 7, 2011 8:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For a second I thought you were commending yourself on making a good point.

by fivekmd on Apr 7, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

me too.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Apr 7, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

get through it with minimal damage

He was pretty good at that last year, wasn’t he?

by 9James on Apr 7, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. Ryan qualified it as “judging by their initial performances, for good reason.” He also could have probably added “second half of last season”, or “spring training.”

Talbot did not look any different last night than he did in the latter part of 2010. Velocity down, nibbling, leaving fastballs up in the zone. He did have pretty good offspeed stuff, but the best thing you can say about him is he survived. And he did that in part due to Dale Scott’s large strike zone.

I’m not suggesting they move him out of the rotation, because I think you have to give him some pretty long rope to see if he can get back to where he was in the first half of 2010. I’m just saying we may have to watch this type of performance a lot in the meantime.

by TribeJay on Apr 7, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was bludgeoned by swinging bunts. I’m not bothered.

by tabler84 on Apr 7, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this what you big-time book authors do, troll around nit-picking blogs for any one little sentence that doesn’t meet your standards? Geez!

by Jay on Apr 7, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Really, LGT game reviews should welcome scrutiny. They’re better game recaps than AP or PD. Standards should be high!

by tabler84 on Apr 7, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should certainly be higher than that.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 7, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fewer.

Sorry, I think I’m forgetting how this is done.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Apr 7, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The standards are high. Ryan wasn’t claiming to be making a monumental point. You’re just nitpicking.

For whatever it’s worth, after some internal discussions among the four authors, I am now editing all the front page content. I don’t always get a chance to do so until the article has already been posted for a few hours, but we have made a collective decision that we’re going to try to raise the bar even a bit higher.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

At risk of nitpicking your comment about nitpicking, is post hoc editing really the best way to do it? It’s not like there’s anyone you’re trying to beat to press, and with the possible exception of recaps like this, your intended audience is likely to value quality of content over speed of delivery. And it would be odd to discuss a newly-posted article with the knowledge that it could be changed soon, although I assume the edits are minor, since I haven’t noticed it happening yet and probably never would have if you hadn’t mentioned it.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 8, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The editing is copy editing plus a few upgrades to word choices, nothing more. I’m not doing any structural editing or changing the intended meaning of any statements. I started on April 1, Opening Day. Main column content only, which will include any FanShots and FanPosts that are moved to the main column.

Unfortunately, the post hoc editing is a necessary concession for most articles. My schedule doesn’t allow everything to be edited before publication, and there actually are good reasons for us to get things posted promptly rather than in its most perfect form, the recaps in particular. Our audience, like all audiences, wants to come here after the game and see a recap, and also wants to long in at work in the morning and read something new.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh heh … to LOG in at work …

by Jay on Apr 8, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha. Honestly, I’m probably just jealous that I don’t get an edit button to fix the mistakes I notice a split second after I hit “post,” although I can certainly see why SBNation chooses not to give users that feature.

by VA tribe fan on Apr 8, 2011 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The bar’s plenty high, and I’d hate for any of the talented mods to feel burdened by their tasks.

by YoDaddyWags on Apr 8, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stand behind what I said. Based on their first starts, Tomlin looked like the better pitcher than Talbot.

by Ryan on Apr 7, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t it strange? We’re now experiencing what it was like to play the Indians circa 2008. Poor starting pitching, awful clutch hitting, and an imploding bullpen.

And can we give it up for Acta??? Nice job with the lefty-righty combo in the 5th.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 7, 2011 8:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

love acta’s recognition of the high leverage situation

by macasson on Apr 7, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d actually blame the Youker and Wheeler for not yelling to ‘tek to tag Buck. I don’t think ’tek could see where Youk stepped.

by JulioBernazard on Apr 7, 2011 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. And Youk is a first baseman! That’s what first baseman learn in little league: when they touch first before throwing to second you always yell “tag” to let the SS know it is not a force play.

Youk’s head is squarely up his a$$ these days. He’s looked pathetic at the plate and I suspect he is taking that out to the field.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 7, 2011 8:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

AND it’s not like ‘tek easily saw Youk touch the bag. In fact, it wasn’t even apparent to me watching on TV. Youk touched the back of the bag (perhaps Buck, the baserunner) blocked the view. Again, as a first baseman, you make it painfully obvious to everyone on the field that you touched the base and the force play is off).

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 7, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Let’s sweep these losers.

by gte619n on Apr 7, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

2 Thoughts….

Manny Acta managed the hell out of that game (and look at the somewhat creative lineup today).

I don’t know if we’re calling him Gramps or Uncle O or whatever, but that fanny pack on defense, and that flowing blouse he has for the one jersey (night before last)… sorry, I don’t have a point here.

by cheech99 on Apr 7, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I know there aren’t a lot of (none?) Penn State fans here so I’ll be brief, but there’s something really entertaining about being the straw that breaks the camel’s back. In the fall is was Michigan wondering if they were or were not good at football, and then a walk on with no extraordinary athletic ability did this to them and their entire world just imploded.

This is kind of like that and why I agree with gte619n.

by KevinHD on Apr 7, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m just happy that we’re over .500 and that the offense, defense and relief pitching looks solid. Relatively speaking, this is better than I thought we’d look. Especially after the first two games.

Ugly game? Meh – those happen. We have a club with a winning record.

I just want to believe.

by mjmarble on Apr 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

COUNT DA WINZZZ!

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 7, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Talbot was pretty bad, but he’s the fifth starter. If he were expected to be good every time he’d be farther up the rotation.

by Brad D on Apr 7, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

After we get fewer/less sufficiently straightened out can we do further/farther? Because I can never tell which is correct.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Apr 7, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Farther for physical distance, further for figurative, right?

by VA tribe fan on Apr 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may adhere to that as a general rule if you wish but it is not improper to use “further” in either case (or where physical/figurative is ambiguous).

I'm emotional about my glove...

by JimmyAB on Apr 7, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me either, I’ll willingly admit that I just guess most of the time.

by Brad D on Apr 8, 2011 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes fewer is more.
Or something like that.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Apr 10, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

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