Manny Ramirez retires
This is abrupt and surprising, to say the least. Do we think it was to avoid more steroid allegations?
Does TBR want Jordan Brown now?
about 1 year ago
JulioBernazard
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The tweets I’ve been seeing seem to indicate a potential ‘roid issue (Buster: "Manny had been notified pending issue with drug/treatment program.Take this for what it’s worth:Manny looked much bigger in spring training."; MLB Trade Rumors: “Source: Manny tested positive for banned substance, would have been facing 100-game suspension had he not retired (or succeeded in appeal”)
http://twitter.com/#!/BillShaikin/status/56454128813092864
http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/56452130642472960
banned substance could be marijuana, right?…or does MLB regulate that under a different set of rules? Trying to remember…
by APV on Apr 8, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My father says he quit so he could smoke pot, a la Ricky Williams. He’s a millionaire, doesn’t need to play, so more power to him. My only complaint is this makes the Rays weaker and less of a threat to keep the Yanks out of the playoffs
If it is, Manny should come out and say it. Make it a teachable moment Manny!
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 8, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like to call this Manny invoking the “You’re Fired/No, I Quit!” defense.
God bless that loon.
You are reading my signature.
I’d think the HoF is out of the question for him at this point.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 8, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
After two major drug infractions?
I’ll remind you that Jeff Bagwell has none.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 8, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, after two major drug infractions. After a few years of Manny on the ballot—this is almost ten years from now—I’m willing to bet the stance on PED users will have considerably softened or, at the least, be something not worth anyone’s outrage anymore. Not to mention there will be some new writers voting that don’t belong to this old school of hardliners.
Manny Ramirez is damn good at hitting baseballs, one of the best right-handers in the game during his prime. He was better than Bagwell. And the two positive tests came at the end of his career. People will gloss over it.
Steel Nick
I’ll add: I’d vote for him on the first ballot. I’m sure enough people will “send a message” (and I’m sure Manny will just sit at home and sob into his hands, message well-received) and only vote for him after a little time has passed, but you either Are or you Aren’t.
Steel Nick
I wouldn’t count Manny over Bagwell as a slam dunk. I think Manny was a better hitter overall, but Bagwell played most of his career in the Astrodome, actaully was a decent fielder (he did win a Gold Glove) while Manny was a hitter pure and simple. A glorified DH if you will.
Manny has better counting stats, but playing 8 years in the bandbox of Fenway and in Jacons when it was a hitters park, will help you more than the 8 years Bagwell had in the Astrodome.
Career OPS+ for Manny 155, Bagwell 149.
Julio has got it right. The PED blackball is overwhelming at this point. I think it will take more than ten years to reverse it.
I also think if he goes in, it’s in a Boston cap, so screw him anyway.
by Jay on Apr 8, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be interesting to see what the general attitude is towards these guys in the coming years when they start to pop up on ballots.
Oh, I’m sorry, by “interesting” I mean “a worse death than slitting my throat.”
Steel Nick
Mac and Baggie haven’t come within sniffing distance of enshrinement.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 9, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Who gets to choose which cap it is? Manny seems to have a lot more love for Cleveland than Boston, so if it’s up to him I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in an Indians cap.
On a related note, do you think Thome will be in with an Indians cap?
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Apr 11, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If he does make it, which I doubt, it will be as a Red Sox. Same number of years there and in Cleveland. Slightly better numbers in Boston, plus 2 World Series wins with Boston.
Yes. The main test for the HOF is historical significance. Manny’s place on the 1990s Indians clubs was plenty enough significant historically for most HOF caps, but in Manny’s specific case, the Indians lose that argument to the Red Sox clubs of the following decade — even without looking at his numbers.
Odd to think, that from those late 90s teams, we were going to have anywhere from 3-6 possible Hall of Famers.
Belle – shutout do to the writers hatered of him
Lofton – played a long time, but not long enough to get the career numbers to enshrine him
Ramirez – steroids caught up with him
Vizquel – Might still make it
Thome – I think he has a good shot at it
S. Alomar – injuries dereailed his chances.
S. Alomar – injuries dereailed his chances.
In his professional career, Alomar was never on a HOF trajectory (unless you mean Robbie)
by APV on Apr 8, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only who thinks he should be a first ballot Hall of Famer?
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 8, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
really depends on how long he was on the juice I guess.
But the writers will most likely ostracize him, so while you may believe he is, he won’t get it. He’ll be lucky to get 40% of the vote I think.
This is a guy with a .996 career OPS. Steroids do not make that.
And the latter is just more evidence of how broken baseball writers are.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 8, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He screwed himself royally.
So much talent, but so many bad decisions.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 8, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is starting to sound a polo shirt and a laptop away from The Hall Of Very Good
by VA tribe fan on Apr 8, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean having an award-winning GM doesn’t guarantee the ability to compete with NY, Boston and LA every year?
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
by westbrook on Apr 8, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Can we start predicting bullpen implosions and drafts where absolutely NONE of their picks pan out yet?
I think Jonah Keri contributed to this bad luck by relentlessly plugging his book.
by cleveland teamer on Apr 8, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, I bet they’d take Kearns.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
(Preferably when Grady returns)
Although he did sign with us for a particularly good reason. It’d be kind of a **** move to ship him to Florida.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Is it worth giving up anything for Kearns when you’re just trying to delay the clock of Desmond Jennings? We got Hannahan for nothin’.
Steel Nick
I’d consider Matt Moore for Kearns.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 8, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the stinkin’ taint of Boston. Was it worth it, Manny? Really, Manny, was it worth it?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Apr 8, 2011 8:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
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