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Some Thoughts About The Current Attendance Problem

 

                Because a number of commenters on this site have expressed concerns about the Tribe’s poor attendance so far this year and some have wondered about the possible effect of this poor attendance on the continued viability of the franchise, I thought I would try to offer my own perspective on the subject. 

                The small NE Ohio firm which I used to own and for which I currently consult has had four season tickets since 1992. The total cost of the tickets, including a parking pass we buy, is a little over $10,500 per season, which is a serious commitment for a firm the size of ours. Before we had season tickets, we bought tickets to about twenty games a season for the several preceding decades.

                 I mention these things at the outset not to claim any great expertise on the subject of attendance. Rather, I’m simply trying to show that we have a strong incentive to remain aware of our clients’ attitude toward the Indians before also mentioning  my own ongoing experience in making phone calls to our clients to make sure that we have someone lined up to use the tickets every game. In making these calls over the years, I have developed some awareness of what influences a person’s decision about whether or not to attend any particular game—or any game at all.   

                The first thing that I think readers and commenters  should keep in mind about the attendance this spring is the overwhelmingly negative effect that cold, rainy weather has on a casual fan’s decision about whether to go to a game even when the seats offered are both free and in an excellent location.  In my experience, regardless of the team’s record it is hard to find guests for games which are forecast to be played in such weather conditions.  In fact I have almost always found it harder to find guests for springtime games being played by a good Indians team than for summer games being played by a lousy team.  It seems to me that people just can’t stand the thought of being wet and cold at an Indians game.

                Incidentally, prospective guests much more readily accepted the possibility of such conditions at a Browns game; we used to have Browns tickets as well and always found takers regardless of the likely weather conditions. My guess is that people consider bad weather to be a legitimate part of the football, but not the baseball, experience in Cleveland.

                So while this is no earthshaking observation, I think that most of the reason for the bad attendance so far is simply the bad weather we have had.

                The second point I want to make has to do with scarcity. Prompted by some comments on this site earlier this year, I recently conducted my own informal survey at a barber shop and a diner in our small town about why the Browns continued to draw better crowds than the Indians even though the Tribe’s record has been better. (I am aware of the sample size problem, among others, in using this approach, but keep in mind that a number of political pundits have made entire columns and careers out of occasional interviews they have done in small town barber shops.) When I asked people why they thought the Browns were drawing better crowds than the Indians, one answer seemed to come up repeatedly. People said that it was because the Indians “had so many games”.

                While at first this answer sounded irrational to me, in thinking about it further I concluded that what people were really saying is that they knew that they could always get good tickets on game day to an Indians game and were thus inclined to wait to see what the weather was going to be like for a game before deciding whether to go. Thus  I’m fairly certain that the low springtime attendance of recent seasons in and of itself has contributed to poor attendance this season by allowing people to defer decisions on whether to buy tickets until the day of a game and to avoid buying tickets altogether if the weather turns out to be lousy. If, on the other hand, they thought that they wouldn’t be able to get good seats unless they bought them in advance they wouldn’t defer the decision to purchase and would be compelled to attend bad weather games because they had already invested money in attending.

                To return to the issue of better Browns attendance for a moment, I think that people know that there are only eight home games and that if the team turns out to be good and they haven’t bought tickets in advance  they might be shut out entirely. So they buy tickets to at least a game or two well in advance even if it means they might ultimately be forced to watch a bad team.  This greatly bolsters attendance figures.

                Finally, I think there may also be a subtler issue at work in depressing attendance at Tribe games, though it is at best only a small part of the explanation:  poor attendance may in and of itself somehow send a signal that the games aren’t worth attending. I say this because my wife and I are currently travelling in a country where people eat dinner much later than Americans normally do. Because we’re creatures of habit, we show up at restaurants at the time we usually eat to find that we are almost invariably the first customers of the evening. And the person at the door invariably tries to guide us to take a table at the front window. Most restaurants follow this practice, and they do it for a reason. Simply seeing that people are already patronizing a restaurant will incline passersby who are undecided about where to have dinner to go to a restaurant which has already attracted patrons. The fact that people are already there creates the impression that the restaurant must be a good one. If I’m right about this signaling issue, the sight of empty stands on television may contribute to the perception that the games aren’t worth attending.  There are certainly more obvious explanations for the current poor attendance, and I hope I’ve already mentioned them, but I just wonder if televised pictures of empty stands don’t somehow taint the product in the mind of the casual observer of the Cleveland sports scene.

                Let me conclude with a thought about whether the poor attendance figures of recent years are an existential threat to the franchise.  As one who lived through the bad old days when we were constantly afraid of losing the franchise, let me offer two reasons that I believe that the franchise is relatively safe: revenue sharing and baseball’s antitrust exemption. As much as I despise the current economic system in baseball, it does produce significant revenue sharing payments to teams like the Indians and, as best I can tell, helps keep them financially stable. And the antitrust exemption gives the commissioner the ability to force teams to stay in place. Contrast that to the situation in basketball and football, where so-called franchise free agency has become the norm.

                What I think will happen to cure the attendance problem is the following: I think that the Tribe will continue to play well, and fans will begin to confront long lines as they try to buy tickets right before the game. This will cause them to get worse tickets than if they had bought in advance and to miss part of the game to boot, which will give them an incentive, in addition to the price incentive the Indians already offer for early purchase, to buy tickets far enough in advance that they’ll be committed to attending even if the weather’s bad. This will lead to a fuller stadium, and this will start a virtuous cycle of better crowds leading to even better ones.

                Keep your fingers crossed that the weather gets a lot better and that team continues to play well. If it does this problem might cure itself.

               

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Nicely done, and thank you for not blaming the economy.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on May 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Every point you make is good, but I do not think you can disregard the economy and the area’s population decline. Both impact scarcity, real and perceived.

by JamesPowell on May 1, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Bingo! It ain’t the weather – that certainly doesn’t help, but it shouldn’t kill attendance – it ain’t the economy – things are tough all over – it’s the apathy coupled with the precipitous drop in population. Frankly I’m more worried about Cleveland turning into Youngstown than I am of a five game losing streak.

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by mauichuck on May 1, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlike Greater Cleveland, which showed a drop in population in 2010 census figures, Greater St. Louis is growing (mainly due to growth in Jefferson County, St. Charles County, and the Metro East suburbs in Illinois). While the City of St. Louis has declined in population for over 60 years, the St. Louis metropolitan area is growing.

Moreover, as a St. Louis resident (who hates the Cardinals and loves the Tribe), comparing the baseball fanbases in St. Louis and Cleveland is like comparing apples and oranges. St. Louis is unquestionably a baseball town: when they aren’t winning Super Bowls, the Rams are lucky to sell-out games; it’s not surprising that the city lost one football team for lack of support. The Blues have a bigger following than the Rams, but they’re still the second banana by a large margin. The Cardinals have a winning tradition (hell, they just won a title in 2006 and they’ve won more World Series than any team not named the Yankees), they have the best player in the game in the last 10 years not named Barry Bonds, and they have a dedicated, year-round following.

by troyflowers on May 3, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This analysis is well-thought-out and I agree with your points about scarcity, the weather, and the herd mentality of sports fans.

Regarding the possibility that consistently low attendance could force Dolans/their successors to move the Indians, while it’s true that Selig can block a franchise relocation, I think there’s virtually no chance that he’d actually step in to prevent a team from changing cities. Don’t forget, Selig works for the owners: if he stopped a team with poor hometown fan support from relocating, he’d face a revolt from small-market owners and he’d lose his job as commissioner.

That said, I don’t think poor attendance is an existential threat to the Cleveland Indians. Aside from the team’s long history in Cleveland and the fact that the Dolans are from NE Ohio, SportsTime Ohio is a very valuable asset (and this value is tied to the Ohio TV market). Moving the Indians means relocating or shutting-down STO, so I think it’ll take a lot more than a few years of poor attendance to convince the Dolans to sell/move the team.

by troyflowers on May 1, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

As a father of 5, I find it difficult to take the kids (the youngest being 2,5,7) to games during the week that begin at 7:05 especially while school is still in session. We did decide on Sat. to make the trip, with kids in tow and buy tickets with the rest of the walk up crowd. By the way the Indians did a great job in opening up the ticket windows and despite the huge lines it took only ten minutes.
 I must say though the 6:05 start made a world of difference for a family with kids. I saw many families down there Sat. night and I think the earlier start time played a part as well though not as big as Carlos’s Salami the night before. My attendance to games is generally limited to the Sunday Kid’s Day games even though I personally enjoy night games better. My recomendation would be to play with the start times a bit more and have more 6:05 games or even 1:05 Sat. games.

I have always thought it was my duty as a parent to bring my children up as Tribe fans so they can also enjoy the misery I have endured but also experience the great joys of the playoff baseball. Having more family friendly game times will help families come down as well as build future fan base.

by akolenz on May 2, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Someone here correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the teams get much say in the start time. I’m pretty sure MLB sets that.

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by notthatnoise on May 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure; if you have the cash, though, you can call what time you start as 7-11 did with the White Sox up until the 2010 season.

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by rolub on May 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The teams are limited by the FOX window on Saturdays if they want to televise the game locally. Fox is mostly going with 4pm start times, which means the Indians have to go before or wait until 7pm.

Last Saturday, Fox went with a 1pm game so the Indians could start at 6pm and still televise it.

by palcal on May 2, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are a lot of factors in the game time decisions. I’m sure MLB and each individual club both have a say. And I think the added amount of weekday day games a couple years ago was a product of players association negotiating “getaway” day mandates.

The Cubs still have a large amount of day games even though MLB pressures them every year to put more and more at night.

by TKilbane on May 2, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Saturdays, local TV vs.Fox is the main consideration.

by palcal on May 3, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding is that the Cubs actually have a limit of 30 night games per year as decreed by Chicago city council.

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by woodsmeister on May 4, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

THe team was also expected to be really bad, so a lot of casual fans didn’t want to come. And even though I agree with the CC and Lee trades, they soured a lot of fans to the Indians. I think this is as big a factor as all of those you listed except maybe weather.

by clefan on May 2, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Bingo. Hell, even now, when we’re leading the division by almost 5 games on May 3 (and the White Sox and Twins are 9.5 and 10 games out, respectively), most national pundits STILL don’t think this team is for real. Casual fans will be reluctant to buy into a team that most people are still writing off as a fluke.

by troyflowers on May 3, 2011 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone have any data on the Tribe’s t.v. ratings this year? Last I heard (I believe it was still during the first or second week of the season), the ratings were up 20% from last year, but I’m curious if this trend has continued.

Assuming t.v. ratings are high, this would seem to support the theories that bad weather or the economy are to blame for the poor attendance, not a lack of fan support.

by troyflowers on May 3, 2011 4:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Verducci has an opinion on the attendence issue, and believes it really isn’t a problem.

Comparing attendance so far this year to any full season, with the benefits of summer and pennant races, is pointless. The best comparison is to measure the same number of home dates this year to the same number of home dates last year on a club-by-club basis. Do that through May 1 and you find out that attendance is down — by 369 people per game, or 1.3 percent.

And ….

The scale of Major League Baseball is remarkable when compared to its history and to other sports today. MLB draws more than 73 million people to 2,430 regular season games — that’s 13 million more people than watch NFL, NBA and NHL games combined, even with those sports getting 286 more gates.

by talonk on May 4, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

We’ll forgoe discussing the Indians early season attendance figures from the 90’s – no football, the Cavs stunk, the economy was boomin’ – and focus on today. Right now, today, the Indians have the best record in all of baseball and are dead last in attendance, almost 2,500 per game (>17%) behind the next to last team in attendance – the KC Royals. No amount of spin, or rationalization, or sophistry can change that fact. It’s the one source of worry to me in this entire magical month.

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by mauichuck on May 4, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you know there’s a lag time.

by Jay on May 4, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

to that point, 6 of the 15 (darn near half) games were on the first homestand, when 20-9 was just a glimmer in our eyes. It’s hard to fault those fans in early April for not knowing where the team would be today.

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by rolub on May 5, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right. We went into the last homestand already at 14-8, and I am confident that we were not last in the league in attendance for those last six home games.

by Jay on May 5, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your Youngstown comment upthread was totally unwarranted and incredibly annoying.

1. Call it spin. Call it what you want. The census numbers indicate that Greater Cleveland experienced a 3% drop in population over the last ten years. Would I prefer greater growth? Absolutely — but this isn’t Youngstown.

2. It occurs to me that you profess to be a former Clevelander and appear to live in Hawaii. If you left, you’re part of the problem. Shut up.

by The Spider That Bit Brian Giles on May 5, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

If you left, you’re part of the problem. Shut up.

Please, a little better comportment here.

by YoDaddyWags on May 5, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Average attendance over the first 15 games last season is down 135 fans per game. Or visually…

Fans per game

Total fans

by FredOx on May 5, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indians record after 28 games: 2010 10-18 good for dead last in the ALC. Cleveland Indians record after 28 games 2011: 20 -8 in first place by 4.5 games.

The theory was if they win the fans will come. And I’ll give you this it’s gonna take some time to build fan support. It’s rapidly approaching that time.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on May 5, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The article I cited was not Cleveland based. It was MLB based. Looks like you tried to move the goalposts yet again.

by talonk on May 5, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in Colorado now so I blame gas prices for the reason I don’t drive to the games… but if they play the rockies I’ll go!

by kershaw_equals_stud on May 5, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

They do, but in Cleveland.

by emd2k3 on May 5, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should totally go.

by 9James on May 7, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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