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Game 43: Indians 2, Reds 1


In the 2006 draft, the Indians didn't have a pick in the first round, but had five picks between the  first sandwich round, the 2nd round, and the second sandwich round. Of those five picks, two have made the majors: David Huff (with Cleveland) and Josh Rodriguez (with Pittsburgh), both of whom could still turn into major-league players. The other three (Wes Hodges, Steven Wright, and Matt McBride) are still in the organization, but are not thought of as prospects.

However, two players from that draft have already become key major-league contributors, and they were drafted in consecutive rounds. And each played a key role in today's 2-1 victory.

Josh Tomlin, who was selected in the 19th round (581st overall) of the 2006 draft, was brilliant in seven innings of work. The Reds are one of the best offensive clubs in the National League, and hit just a couple pitches hard all game. Their lone run of the day came on a hit batsmen, a very good piece of hitting by Jay Bruce, and a grounder that should have resulted in a double play. It's fun watching Tomlin pitch. He's an aggressive pitcher even though his stuff is below-average, he almost never steps off the rubber, controls the running game, and always seems in control of the game. These characteristics were developed because he had to have them to make it to the majors. 

After Cincinnati broke the scoreless tie, the Indians finally got a leadoff hitter on base when Asdrubal Cabrera singled off Homer Bailey. Bailey had been equally brilliant, matching Tomlin's line almost exactly. Neither pitcher had racked up many strikeouts, but were making pitches that could only be put in play weakly. Bailey came to the majors a fireballer, but has ratcheted back his velocity a tick and is now able to throw those fastballs into great spots. But unfortunately for him, he missed his spot to Travis Buck with two outs in the inning, and Buck launched his first home in a year to give the Indians a 2-1 lead.

As the eighth began, Manny Acta elected to pull Tomlin from game. With a pitcher like Tomlin, pitch counts are never going to be much of an issue, but times through the order will be. The bottom of the order was due up, so Acta could have tried to get with sending out Tomlin for another inning, but with the bullpen in good shape, he chose to bring in Vinnie Pestano.

Pestano was the Indians' 20th round pick in 2006. He was always a reliever, but moved at a rate of a level a year. His fastball isn't overpowering from a velocity standpoint, but the batter reacts to it as if it was a 97 or 98 mph heater. He hides the ball very well, which is reminiscent of LGFT Rafael Betancourt, Going into the game today, he had struck out 18 in 16.1 innings, a ratio well-suited for a setup man. He needed those strikeouts after Ryan Hanigan opened the eighth with a wormburner that Asdrubal Cabrera couldn't get to in time. With shadows and unfamiliarity adding even more deception to his pitches, he struck out Edgar Renteria on a high fastball, caught Drew Stubbs looking, and, after making Jonny Gomes look silly with his slider, froze him with fastball that looked right down the middle.

Chris Perez's fastball was much less accurate. He walked Joey Votto on four straight pitches, got Brandon Phillips to hit into a double play, got wild again and walked Drew Stubbs, but finished the game by striking out Scott Rolen.

 

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via www.fangraphs.com

 

Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Buck .426 Santana -.111
Tomlin .195 LaPorta -.069
Chris Perez .155 Choo -.067

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With a pitcher like Tomlin, pitch counts are never going to be much of an issue, but times through the order will be.

Ah, makes sense, thank you.

"(We) did not generally despise those trades. We despised being in the position where we had to make them" -Jay

by stuart dean on May 21, 2011 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

And, if this is the case, it is a good thing we have a manager that recognizes it and acts accordingly.

"(We) did not generally despise those trades. We despised being in the position where we had to make them" -Jay

by stuart dean on May 21, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and with Tomlin, I’ve always had the sense that his stuff lessens a bit through the game and as he goes through the order a third or fourth time, they start to get to him. Also, he’s not a big guy, and I’m sure they’re more apt to take it easy with him than a guy like Masterson to get him to be pitching well in September, and hopefully October. Any deterioration of stuff could make a huge difference with Tomlin.

Acta was asked the question about pitch count in his post-game conference. As Ryan stated, he doesn’t look at pitch count with a guy like Tomlin. He asked the question, “Who would you rather have in the game with a one-run lead in the 8th? Josh Tomlin or a guy like Vinnie Pestano?” Basically, he implied that he would rather have a power guy in the game at that point rather than risk having Tomlin leave one out over the plate and have the game tied.

by TribeJay on May 21, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, he made it clear that he would rather have a Pestano with zero pitches in the game than a Tomlin with 80+. A bit of a qualifier.

by ahowie on May 22, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but the point about power pitching and game situation still was there.

by TribeJay on May 22, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently, Chris Perez’s contract requires that, in home games where the Indians will not win in their last at-bat, he add enough tension to keep the fans on the edges of their seats.

by JamesPowell on May 21, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

we still did win in our last at bat

by Gradyforpresident on May 21, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that we had the ninth also, but didn’t need it.

by 9James on May 21, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that we could have had the ninth but did not, in fact, have it.

by Jay on May 21, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This idiomatic usage of “last at bat” makes sense under only one of several equally reasonable philosophies of baseball terminology. It tends to be misleading and not as impressive as it sounds. But it’s an idiom, so it doesn’t need to make sense.

by 9James on May 21, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was bothering me as well the other morning in the shower, but I was able to figure it out just in time to save some hot water for my wife.

by PBH on May 21, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Archer and Gaub were also in that draft. They were used to get DeRosa who we turned into C Perez. Maybe maribelli wasn’t that bad.

by riter on May 21, 2011 9:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Chris Archer’s walk numbers definitely show he’s no William Tell

by Gradyforpresident on May 21, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

William Tell’s greatest asset as a pitcher was backing a batter off the plate by just missing his head. However, he did have kick-ass walk-on music.

"I’ll happily embrace elevated hopes if that is the price to pay." - APV

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by woodsmeister on May 23, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

These one run nail-biters are beginning to get to me. I know I’m supposed to love a good pitcher’s duel but to be honest, I prefer getting 7 or 8 runs in the early innings and cruising.

by LeftyCatcher on May 21, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

making Jonny Gomes look silly with his slider

Meh. That statemant is a tad redundant.

by OPace on May 21, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I have no choice but to take issue with that statement.

waiting for marte.

by jonnykilbane on May 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is Jonny Kilbane your name or are you just a fan of the boxer Johnny Kilbane and spelled the name wrong?

by TKilbane on May 23, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait, there are two kilbanes on lgt?

by Gradyforpresident on May 23, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

So how bout this Tomlin dude – is he a damn good pitcher or what?

by mcrose on May 21, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Very effective so far, however his BABIP (.176) is about 20 points lower than the #2 guy in the AL. Eventually, some ducksnorters will fall at inopportune times.

by OPace on May 21, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone has to lead the league in BABIP against. Might as well be Tomlin.

RALLY SIG

by USSChoo on May 22, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, true. Still, a few more hits falling in here or there is not going to turn him into a bad pitcher.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on May 22, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. But it could rise a good amount and he’d still lead.

by OPace on May 22, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

So an aberration in his performance has been noted.

End of point.

by Jay on May 22, 2011 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Back to +13, and now with a 7 game lead

by APV on May 21, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think it is an imaginary number

by APV on May 21, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to keep reccing comments like this until we win the division

My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw

by Turkmenbashi on May 22, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i still feel like every win while we are banged up feels like two. and i also keep watching for when i can say “if we go .500 from here on out, we get 90 wins.”

by Brick. on May 21, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The latter half of your statement could happen this week.

by FredOx on May 22, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want there to be a magic day in the next couple weeks when we go .500 the rest off the way and hit 95. That will be a extra expensive gin type of night.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 22, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In other words, when we reach 18 games over .500.

by Jay on May 22, 2011 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Usually I get frustrated with CP when he puts batters on base in a save situation.

Today, I had no problem with walking Votto, who in my opinion has passed Pujols as the best hitter in the NL. And Bruce has been on fire lately, so I can see why he pitched him carefully as well.

It’s when he is walking the Chris Getz’s of the world I get ticked.

by talonk on May 22, 2011 2:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m just glad Dunn isn’t hitting behind Votto. That man kills us on pretty regular basis and those two back to back would be gut wrenching.

RALLY SIG

by USSChoo on May 22, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had very similar thoughts during game.

by Brick. on May 22, 2011 7:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

me too. If you’re going to walk people, those are good people to walk.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on May 22, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am beginning to think there is no point turning the game on before the 7 th inning anymore (unless we play the royals). I wonder if Acta told Ocab to boot that ball to setup some late inning drama.

by kedda13 on May 22, 2011 7:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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