Game 30: Indians 4, Athletics 3 (12 Innings)
by Ryan on May 5, 2011 8:30 PM EDT
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PrintThis may have been Jeanmar Gomez's last start for a while regardless of how he pitched, but it was good to see him have some success. Carlos Carrasco will be making a rehab start in Akron on Friday, and if all goes well, will come off the Disabled List next Thursday, with Gomez going back to Columbus. Jeanmar only pitched 5.1 innings, but allowed just one run, and that run should have been unearned. Manny Acta didn't press his luck with Gomez, as the bullpen was rested, and pulled the right-hander in the sixth inning with the Indians leading 2-1.
The Tribe offense is starting a tough stretch of games; they'll be facing some of the best starting pitching in the league over the next 10 days, including Jered Weaver, Dan Haren, David Price, Felix Hernandez, and Michael Pineda. They faced another tough pitcher today in Brett Anderson; the Oakland left-hander went nine innings, allowing two runs, both coming off an Asdrubal single in the sixth. The Indians had a golden opportunity to take the lead in the eighth, as Lou Marson reached third base with nobody out after David DeJesus dropped his fly ball. But Michael Brantley hit an infield squibber, and Asdrubal Cabrera and Shin-Soo Choo struck out.
That missed opportunity to add an insurance run was key, as Oakland would score off Vinnie Pestano in the next half-inning. Pestano couldn't find the strike zone, walking Conor Jackson and Josh Willingham with one out. Ryan Sweeney, who had a career day, doubled home Jackson. The Oakland crowd booed third-base coach Mike Gallego when he held Willingham at third, but with one out and Choo throwing home, it was the right call to make. The runner should have gone home on Kurt Suzuki's fly out, as Austin Kearns went to one knee while catching it, but didn't, so the score remain tied, and the two teams went to extra innings.
The Indians, having gone to their bullpen early, were down to Chad Durbin, Justin Germano, and Chris Perez as the tenth started, so it appeared that the longer the game, the less likely they'd come out on top. But Durbin pitched pretty well; he got out of a jam in the tenth that wasn't really of his making (Choo played a catchable fly ball into a single with two outs), and pitched scoreless eleventh. It would be Oakland's more rested bullpen that would falter first. Orlando Cabrera started things off in the twelfth by singling with one out off of LGFT Craig Breslow. Austin Kearns then walked. Acta started both runners while Jack Hannahan was at the plate, and Hannahan hit a bloop single into shallow left field. The ball was just out of the reach of the shortstop; if Pennington catches the ball, the inning would have been over. Lou Marson added another run with a single.
Chris Perez pitched the bottom of the inning, and really struggled to throw strikes. He walked Daric Barton, allowed a Conor Jackson single, setting up Ryan Sweeney's RBI single (his fifth hit of the day). With runners on first and third, though, he got pinch-hitter Hideki Matsui to pop up to end the game. It wasn't a pretty ending to the game, but all the same it clinch the Indians' first series win in Oakland since the days of Terry Mulholland and Ryan Drese.
| Highest WPA | Lowest WPA | ||
| Durbin | .250 | Pestano | -.369 |
| Sipp | .235 | Choo | -.135 |
| Marson | .208 | LaPorta | -.114 |
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Brought to you gigantically, because
1. We haven’t done this in a while
2. We have the lowest one in the majors
3. I still, somehow, do not know how to resize pictures and a thirty second search here didn’t yield any results
My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw
by Turkmenbashi on May 5, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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Steel Nick
I’m not sure I understand point 2. Our shitty ‘80s PC is physically lower than everyone else’s? On a shelf? Why’s it so low?
I’m sure I’ll kick myself.
Oh yeah! I remember 2007! That was fun.
by MikeCP on May 5, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stolen quote from ESPN wrap of the game
“The 1920 and 1948 — the last time the Indians won the World Series — Indians also started 21-9.”
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on May 5, 2011 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I’m too lazy to look, but this feels like a rare series win out in Oakland. I think you just look at the W/L column and forget about the rest of the stats.
I think you just look at the W/L column and forget about the rest of the stats
I agree completely. These were painful games…it is just nice to take 2 of the 3.
by APV on May 5, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The ugly ones mean the most, I think. This series felt like it sucked, but we batted .667.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on May 5, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
for all of wedge’s faults and bs, his “just try to win each series” philosophy, while uncomplicated, works.
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on May 5, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Except when you can’t win the series.
by Gradyforpresident on May 5, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the "win as many games as you can" philosophy.
This is no longer an agreed upon philosophy since not everyone receives a trophy under its teachings.
by MooneysRebellion on May 6, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This, to me, is similar to Madden’s oft quoted, “The team that gets the ball in the end zone more often usually wins games”
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Yes it is. I try to never miss an opportunity to take a swing at the stupid “T-ball/Little League” mentality that the collective minds of psychologists, soccer moms, and other who were poor at sports in their childhoods have been engraining into the minds of our children for the last 15-20 years.
Some people win, other’s lose. We can’t all freaking tie all the time!!!
by MooneysRebellion on May 6, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
the stupid "T-ball/Little League" mentality that the collective minds of psychologists, soccer moms, and other who were poor at sports in their childhoods have been engraining into the minds of our children for the last 15-20 years.
I don’t think it’s a bad thing to make sure every kid is having a good time. There’s a time to start worrying about winning and losing, but T-ball is not that time.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 6, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
had to leave after the 10th to do grown-up things, came back to see the victory, and thought something similar: “man, was it an unimpressive performance, but 2 out of 3 ain’t bad”.
You are reading my signature.
This was bugging me, so I had to check it out:
10 – 1-2
09 – 0-4
08 – 1-2
07 – 1-2
06 – 1-3
05 – 1-2
04 – 1-2
03 – 0-3
So, over the previous 8 seasons the Indians were 6-20 when playing in Oakland.
by Toxicadam on May 5, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Oakland is not the hellhole everyone thinks it is. I’ve been there a lot. It is a mini-hellhole.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on May 5, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Also! Great Chinese food and a great Irish/English place right downtown. With great beer on tap,
by kennesawmountainwahoo on May 5, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else remember the Chris James game against Oakland?
by APV on May 5, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
didn’t he have, like 106 RBI in one game?
"I gave in to the monosybillic despotic group imperative demands here" --mooncamping
by DontCallMeJoey on May 5, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
9. In 1991, if I remember correctly. In a May game.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on May 5, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It was all Sabathia’s fault
Our best players wear suits.
by mauichuck on May 6, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
This chart is missing some games when the Indians went to Oakland twice.
For example, in 2006, the Indians were 1-1 in May and 1-3 in September, for a total or 2 wins,
4 losses.
30 days with good behavior.
Our best players wear suits.
by mauichuck on May 5, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if he gets fitted with an ankle bracelet can we use it to get field f/x data?
by APV on May 5, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
What an opportunity this could have been with the Portland Jailblazers. Note to Sloan Sports Conference Attendees: Graduate Thesis Topic.
by Bogalusa Bomber on May 6, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. It looks like his reads on balls are improving substantially
by Gradyforpresident on May 5, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We won a series without sweeping it! First time this year.
by kedda13 on May 5, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Random Observations:
*Hannahan against LHP reminds me of Tino Martinez used to be for the Yanks. I feel like those late 90’s Yanks juggernauts, you could always bring in a LHP to get Paul O’Neill out, but Martinez always kept the shoulder in and was reasonably successful. To this completely uninformed observer, they seem kind of similar.
*Chad Durbin… still possibly relevant. Even if he’s our designated “keep us in it on the road in extra innings” guy, that’s still worthy of 6th man in the bullpen.
*Sweet Lou.
still possibly relevant
Durbin has been good for three years (during which time he picked up a ring). He has a better track record than half our pen. He is definitely relevant.
by APV on May 5, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but there were a lot of pitchforks calling for his head after the Angels series. Just saying it was silly to ever consider cutting him in April.
Chris Perez has me concerned. The velocity still isn’t there — off a good 2-3 MPH and he has an ugly 6/9 BB/K in 14 innings. He also has a 5.00 ERA in his last 10 app.
This has to end. His velocity isn’t really off. I’ve seen him plenty of times hit 94-95, which is perfect. His problem is his slider right now.
"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."
I was going to comment separately on this…
Today, his velocity was quite inconsistent. The last few road outings he had returned back to normal, 94-95. Today he started out 90-91, though he did throw quite a few at 94. It’s possible he’s trying to take something off to throw strikes.
On Sunday, his third straight day of work, he complained about a tight back and said he was having problems getting loose. I also noticed he participated in several Hafner-esque shoulder exercises.
Last night, Acta gave him the day off. He would not have pitched if they had a save situation last night. He had pitched 4 times in 5 days, so that is understandable.
So, I don’t think any one of the above is really a cause for concern by itself. However, when you put everything together (inconsistent velocity, trouble getting loose, being given the day off), you can make a case for concern. I’ll put it this way. As a rational baseball fan, I wouldn’t be concerned. As a Cleveland Indian fan, it at least makes me raise an eyebrow.
I’m not really concerned with the walks. He’s always been wild. Last year was his lowest BB/9 (4.0) in his professional or college career.
During the postgame radio broadcast, the interviewed Perez immediately after the game and he mentioned that earlier in the season he had arm issues that he feels he is finally working out of (but he refrained from saying he’s where he wants to be physically).
To me this points to a lack of proper physical build-up prior to the season starting. I’m hopeful that it is just a slow start for him where he’s going to be up and running physically in the near future and fine for the rest of the season. I’m concerned that it’s a underlying muscle strain or a lack of “being in shape” for the time being that while pitching in save situations is or will result in an injury trying from to be physically at the same level that he is emotionally.
…earlier in the season he had arm issues that he feels he is finally working out of (but he refrained from saying he’s where he wants to be physically).
This concerns me – he’s supposedly getting better? Watching him pitch his past few outings, he looks worse.
I am digging Perez’s tweet about tonight:
ChrisPerez54
“And for all those telling me to stop making it interesting, would you even watch if every outing was 3 up 3 down?”
Yes, Chris, and I might even live long enough to watch your next outing.
by YoDaddyWags on May 6, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, that was a stupid question. If a closer retired the side in order even ten times in a row, eventually even fans of other teams would start watching every appearance breathlessly.
by Jay on May 6, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Since we have Joe Hardy around to see the maximum result possible, let’s see: Mariano Rivera had 34/61 everybody up/everybody down appearances last year (55.7%), with 6 games in a row in June. In his lowest WHIP year as a closer, 2008, he had 4 3 up/3 down games in a row.
CP was lights out in 11 of 28 games post-ASB in 2010 (39.3%) with 4 in a row to start September. 8 out of 15 this year, 53.3%, with 5 in a row last month. Not too shabby, Rage.
I went to see the Mets vs. Giants game on Wednesday evening at CitiFailed; when Brian Wilson came out in the bottom of the 9th it was as if everyone in the stadium crowded down as near to the field as they could to get a closer look. He did not disappoint those expecting a dominant performance – needing only 11 pitches (10 strikes, 1 ball) to record the save. He retired the first and second batter with 3 pitches each and both went down swinging. The third out took 5 pitches and ended on a weak pop-out in foul territory. Overall, batters only made contact on 4 pitches and his velocity rose steadily from the first pitch at 91mph to the last at 95.
It was fun to watch and I most certainly would never get bored of Perez turning in that same type of performance, save after save, ad nauseum.
I'm emotional about my glove...
Not a fan of Wilson? Or you’d rather see Perez “make it interesting”?
I'm emotional about my glove...
Oh, were you trying to start a descending “AGAINST” “THE” “NL” meme? I thought use of that was declared dead by Jay.
Anyhow, yes, it was the Mets (specifically Josh Thole (who?), Jason Pridie (who?), and Lucas Duda (who?)) but c’mon, the man can bring it.
I'm emotional about my glove...
I wanted something highlighting the fact that the Mutts are total chit right now.
by JulioBernazard on May 6, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Choo’s reputation might have saved the game for us today. I think the third base coach would have sent that runner in the bottom of the ninth against almost any other outfielder but he held him up against Choo and the runner never scored. It looked like Choo’s throw would have gotten him, incidentally, but the Oakland fans didn’t like the coach’s decision.
Hopefully we see more of this. I know it isn’t a trackable stat, but at some point he will save runs by simply existing. Which, is pretty awesome.
"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."
Isn’t this how Jeter wins Gold Gloves?
by LondonTribe on May 6, 2011 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
funnily enough, I caught some of the Tiger/Yankee game on ESPN last week and they were espousing how both Jhonny and Jeter may not have much range, but if they get to the ball, the throw is so true it is rarely an error. Leyland praised Jhonny this way (which is how the announcers got on the topic).
That’s putting a lot of money into a big if in both cases.
"I’ll happily embrace elevated hopes if that is the price to pay." - APV
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He already does, as does every outfielder with an above average arm, to varying degrees. I don’t think it’s all that notable.
by afh4 on May 6, 2011 6:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean to the point the some of the legendary outfield arms have. I mean, he does now of course, but I think these are the years where he proves he will continue to do it. The game he threw 2 out at the plate this year (can’t remember which team it was against now. Royals?) seemed like it was that turning point from “he has a great arm” to “don’t even both trying”. Maybe I’m just splitting hairs.
"Spring Training wins are good for the soul."
In fairness, though, Alexei Casilla tripped over a furniture display rounding third.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I states up late to listen to this game, and it is weird how despite lots of obvious flailing at times, I still felt they would pull it out.
On Perez, he also told Hammy he tired which ties in with Manny trying to give him a day off.
Also, who’s the other radio guy? Talks at really random times and sounds like a zombie…
by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on May 6, 2011 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
What’s his deal? Why is he in the booth instead of some other schmuck?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on May 6, 2011 9:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe Hegan has health issues which preclude him taking long trips with the team. Rosenhaus was the play by play guy for the Buffalo Bisons for many years before he was hired by the Indians.
"I’ll happily embrace elevated hopes if that is the price to pay." - APV
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Thanks for the correction on his surname.
by JulioBernazard on May 6, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently he was just inducted into the Bisons hall of fame. Broadcast well over 1000 games there.
by APV on May 6, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Explains why Hammy kept calling him Rosie then
by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on May 6, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Rosie has been in the booth for years, as the engineer or producer or whatever you want to call him. Last year he started to do an inning or so to eventually prepare to take over for Hegan, and the process was sped up when Hegan got really sick last year, I think pneumonia. Doctors still don’t want him taking planes so Rosenhaus’ is the only one with Hammy on some road games. And either on the road or at home this season, he does two innings a game.
Steel Nick
If he takes over for Hegan, they’ll have two PBP guys and no color guy?
by JulioBernazard on May 6, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is why it was a little weird…I was starting to doze off towards the end and kept getting startled by the random, seemingly unconnected comments he would suddenly come out with.
The more fun rude awakening was when Bananastand blooped that ball though, nothing like a run scoring basehit being called by Hammy to wake you up…well, there are always walk off grandslams but I missed that one on Friday night as I was in a Royal Wedding party booze induced sleep. So disappointed I missed it but made the most of the links that were shared on here to catch up.
by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on May 6, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is where we start a comedy gold suggestion list for former players to pair with Hammy to do color commentary. I’ll start.
Albert Belle
"I’ll happily embrace elevated hopes if that is the price to pay." - APV
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Dennis Miller
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
He’ll probably just get the microphone all covered in bar-b-q wing sauce…a sticky situation to say the least.
Well, maybe not during the game for him.
by painaxl on May 6, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would pay cold hard cash to hear Manny as a color guy. Just get him talking and who knows what will come out. He’d start talking about leaving his paychecks in the glove compartment, or what was going through his mind while patrolling left field. Be great to listen to someone authentic, I don’t think he could control himself!
by Bogalusa Bomber on May 7, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll bet Jason Grimsley would have all kinds of stories to tell as a color guy.
"I’ll happily embrace elevated hopes if that is the price to pay." - APV
On Twitter at @grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff
Hard to believe the pitching staff has already gone 7-deep this season and the team maintains the best record in the league.
It’s been a nice start to the month of May. We’ve looked at this as a critical month while waiting for reinforcements to arrive in June. Some may not be needed (e.g., Chiz) while I’m eager to see what Hagadone can do – might he be able to take some of the load off CP in the closer’s role?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on May 6, 2011 9:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why Hagadone in particular? Why not Carlton Smith, Zach Putnam, Cory Burns?
Hagadone is the most famous, but that doesn’t mean he’s the most ready.
Highest ceiling, best pedigree.
I’ll repeat what I said a week ago or so. If this team remains in contention and Hagadone keeps dominating in the minors, he will have an opportunity to pitch himself into a set-up role on the big league club.
Promotion to Cbus comes first, tho. That will be a first test. There are guys there that have already dominated in AA as well, and are doing pretty good in AAA.
i’m not convinced this is a requirement.
as with most things in life, if jensen lewis can do it, so can nick hagadone.
and to a lesser extent, Chris Gimenez.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
by westbrook on May 6, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Fame and the fact that he came in the Martinez deal (which adds to his fame while also sticking it to them when the two key pieces are contributing to a pennant run).
Good point though. The fact that Hagadone has a higher ceiling does not mean he can contribute at the ML level in June.
But, would the ability to serve as a back-up closer be one of the criteria we use for selecting the bullpen callup? (The call will happen due to an eventual injury to be sure).
(I’m not saying Hagadone is that guy, but his background and attention he has received indicates he might be better able to handle the spotlight of closing games. I have no idea about the others – can someone rank them based on closer potential?)…
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on May 6, 2011 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“them” means Boston.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on May 6, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Manny Acta is what… 3 for 3 now on those “Chris Perez mid-inning cut this crap out” mound visits right?
by cheech99 on May 6, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like this.
"I’ll happily embrace elevated hopes if that is the price to pay." - APV
On Twitter at @grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff
by woodsmeister on May 6, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Might want to spell “fedora” correctly if you do
My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw
by Turkmenbashi on May 6, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
At 21-9, the club has equaled it’s best 30 game start, which it has done seven other times. In five of the previous seasons, they won at least 91 games and made the post-season. In three, they made the World Series. In two, they won the World Series. Average finish (normalized to a 162 game season): 95-67.
It really starting to get to the point where it’s tough to write off as small sample size luck. Sure, I don’t expect them to win 21 of every thirty games they play, but it’s getting harder and harder to imagine them falling back into Keith Law’s Dungeon.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on May 6, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard what happens in Keith Law’s dungeon, and I don’t want any part of it.
by JulioBernazard on May 6, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Exactly. With each win, it would take more and more of a plummet to really finish at the bottom half of this division, and there are certainly enough real-looking elements to this fast start that a true plummet seems unlikely. Hopefully by the time Hannahan (just as an example, use a pitcher if you’d like) realizes he’s OPSing 200 points too high we already have a) a nice cushion built, and b) other options.
Steel Nick
For what it’s worth, the Indians, Tigers, and White Sox have played exactly half of their games at home so far. The Royals have played 20 of 31 at home, and sucked on the road. The Twins have played 19 of 29 on the road (without much success so far either place).
We probably all expect the Royals to fade, but this at least makes me even more optimistic that it will be hard for the other teams in the division to overcome their slow start.
White vs. Weaver is the second pitching matchup of this series, in case you weren’t wringing your hands enough today. Fausto gets the rematch with Haren after that.
Steel Nick
I would like us to win tonight. The next two games will be tough, though I’m excited to see White get amped up to face Weaver.
We split the six and we’re good – we take 4 outta six it’s successful – we take 5 outta 6 and there better be a line from the ticket booth to Ninth and Euclid for Tuesday night’s game against the Rays.
Our best players wear suits.
by mauichuck on May 6, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I don’t understand these stats on wins in a team’s last AB. How could the road team ever win on its last AB? It isn’t possible.
Last at-bats….not ast at-bat (singular). Last ABs victories are a larger category that includes, but is not limited to, walk-off (last at-bat) victories.
From the Yahoo! Sports preview of tonight’s game:
Jack Hannahan(notes) and Lou Marson(notes) had RBI singles in the 12th to help the Indians win for the seventh time in their final at-bat.
by jakesinger777 on May 6, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they bat again after they scored the go-ahead runs? No. Henceforth: they won in their last at bats. Either team can do it.
Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee
by PortlandVinny on May 6, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It says last AB, not ABs. I know what it is trying to say, but it isn’t accurate. After Marson’s single, Michael Brantley struck out, so they did not win the game on their final AB. If Marson had gotten thrown out at second trying to advance, then maybe you can make that argument.
by jakesinger777 on May 6, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree it’s clunky, but in this case “at-bat” means a team’s turn to bat. The Indians won in their last turn to bat.
TV people have always used this phrasing. How is everyone just noticing now?
I don’t have an answer to your second point, but with regard to your first, in a tie game, who’s to say that was the Indians’ last chance at bat?
by jakesinger777 on May 6, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
For the away team it’s something that can naturally only be applied retroactively. I remember this being brought up constantly with the 1995 team, e.g. “x number of come from behind wins and y wins in the last at bat.” The phrase incorporates walk-off wins as the home team and wins in the last time at bat as the away team.
If you understand the sentiment, I’m not sure why it matters. If someone says they won in their last at bat, it means they rallied late. It could be the home team scoring in the eighth inning, or it could be a walk-off. We already have a term for teams winning in the last PA of the game, so we need a different term to encompass the other sort of late-inning victories. Unless someone comes up with a better one, last at bat will have to do.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but when I read ‘7 wins in the last AB’, my immediate reaction was ‘we have 7 walkoff wins? That can’t be’. I know what they mean, I just don’t particularly like this usage of the term last AB, when it really doesn’t mean last AB. Why not just say last inning?
by jakesinger777 on May 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A good sign the season is going well: Indians fans arguing about what to call a road victory in the 12th inning.
My final contribution: last inning doesn’t encompass situations where the home team goes ahead in the bottom of the 8th. It’s all just media shorthand anyway.
by FredOx on May 6, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
here is a definiton of inning:
a. Baseball One of nine divisions or periods of a regulation game, in which each team has a turn at bat as limited by three outs
So saying a team won in their last at bat is accurate.
At this point we’re just debating semantics, but that text says ‘turn at bat’, which presumably is composed of multiple individual at bats. Therefore, ‘final at bat’ would, to me, not imply final turn at bat, but rather the final individual at bat.
I’m perfectly fine with dropping this, but only if we can all agree that I’m right.
by jakesinger777 on May 6, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But doesn’t the possessive “their” slightly change this argument? I mean, it was “their” [the Indians] last half-inning of at-bats, after all.
Do you really need to specify “…half-inning of at-bats…” when you are talking about either teams’ offensive turn in the inning? I mean, no team ever gets a whole inning of at-bats.
I'm emotional about my glove...
the yankees feel they should, especially if the pirates aren’t going to use them.
by Brick. on May 6, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes but you still found it necessary to include “half-inning of” before “at-bat(s)”. My point is “at-bat” does not equal “turn at bat” or “half-inning of at bats”.
by jakesinger777 on May 6, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I was taught that a team’s half inning equals their at bat. Therefore a team’s last at bat is the whole half inning, not the last player’s at bat of that inning.
As was noted above, there is a distinction between walk-off (ie player’s last at bat) and a team winning in their last at bat, (which also includes bottom of the eighth home and top of the ninth/extra inning road games).
We will have to agree to disagree I guess.
Heading into the Detroit series, I was hopeful they could win 6 out of their next 12 (DET, OAK, ANA, TB). They’re at 5 right now in the middle of that stretch. Now I’m getting greedy and hoping they can win 9.
Has LGT become too generous with recs? Look how green this thread is? Why is everyone in such a good mood? Oh yeah, 21-9!
by jakesinger777 on May 6, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
I’m sure there’s a stat correlating wins and number of recs per time period.
by Seattle Tribe Fan on May 6, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec – and now you have more recs than we have losses. In May!
by LondonTribe on May 6, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I noticed that the BP Playoff Odds now have us as the favorite in the AL Central. I don’t think that’s been the case previously. So that’s a fun milestone.
by NickFantana on May 6, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LeVon Washington should be making his debut with Lake County tonight. He is probably the highest ceiling corner outfielder in the system.
Is his arm really as bad as all the scouting reports make it out to be? It seems like a lot of scouts were convinced he couldn’t stick in the outfield.
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 6, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s Carl Crawford. That is one of the weakest noodles I’ve seen, no wonder he can’t play center even though his range is tremendous.
by Bogalusa Bomber on May 7, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d only become aware of it in the Cleveland series. Cleveland would have sent Garko home from second on a flair to left with Crawford out there. He was rainbowing throws into he plate even from shallow left.
by Bogalusa Bomber on May 7, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yall need to check out the Philly-Atlanta box.
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