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I don't think I could give a fair description of this, but the look on Wedge's face provides a 10,000-word narrative with one simple look.

Apologies if this appeared in a game thread somewhere this weekend.

And of course, he was DFA'd today.

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Maybe LGT and LL can finally be on good terms again!

by Jeff Sullivan on May 9, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t be an ass.

Words to live by, friend.

by Jay on May 9, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then again, maybe not.

by Jeff Sullivan on May 10, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

sounds like a new desert item at Taco Bell

by APV on May 11, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now with 90% more beef!

RALLY SIG

by USSChoo on May 11, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

beef!*

*not actually beef

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on May 11, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only if you eat it in the dessert.

by JulioBernazard on May 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my new brand of adhesive bandages!

by emd2k3 on May 13, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope i don’t get banned for rec’ing this comment.

by Brick. on May 11, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Long live Joe Smith and Valbuena!

by talonk on May 9, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

What an interesting career he had. Wildly talented, but mentally ill. I’m actually really surprised it ended in a whimper, instead of a bang.

Hopefully, once he removes himself from the grind of pro baseball, he can work on himself and get to a good spot. Not sure if his chronic victim mentality will ever allow that to happen.

by Toxicadam on May 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolub, let me know if I should take down my FanShot so that this can serve as the comments ground.

by JulioBernazard on May 9, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Doesn’t matter to me; mainly I wanted to share the photo from Jeff’s post at LL, but figured I’d provide context in case anyone wanted to discuss the transaction itself.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on May 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deja vu all over again?

by mcrose on May 9, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm. Tried to link to a similar pic of Eric and Milton dancing in 2004.

I have the pic on my hard drive – any way to upload it to a post?

by mcrose on May 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, here’s a time line w/ pic in question included:

link

by mcrose on May 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite is the bag of balls tossing. He just looks so alone.

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by USSChoo on May 9, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

- December 13, 2005 – Bradley is traded to Oakland for Andre Either

by stuart dean on May 9, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

OAK could have ’dre Ethier and Carlos Gonzalez on their squad right now?

by JulioBernazard on May 10, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Beane is secretly a Bavasi.

by emd2k3 on May 10, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then they’d have to pay them.

"I’ll happily embrace elevated hopes if that is the price to pay." - APV

On Twitter at @grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff

by woodsmeister on May 10, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh. I didn’t realize that he was traded for Franklin Gutierrez.

by ameliorate on May 10, 2011 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Taubensee for Lofton
Lofton and Embree for Justice and Grissom
Justice for Westbrook and Day
Day for Bradley
Bradley for Gutierrez and Brown
Gutierrez for Valbuena and Smith

So basically, Taubensee and Embree for Grissom, Westbrook, Brown, Valbuena and Smith — plus about 2-3 years each from Justice, Bradley and Gutierrez — plus the best five years of Lofton’s career.

by Jay on May 10, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

started to update my list again, but have to wait until the lower minors start play before posting it

by talonk on May 10, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You left out three months of David Segui!

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 10, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

three months of David Segui

that sounds like a 30 for 30 doc that just missed the cut for production.

You are reading my signature.

by rolub on May 10, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

What in God’s name did Hart see in him?

by Gradyforpresident on May 10, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how can you forget Willie Blair Dave Rohde?!

by stuart dean on May 10, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just going off the top of my head.

by Jay on May 10, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am cursed by having $hit like Willie Blair & Dave Rohde “off the top of my head”.

by stuart dean on May 10, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta admit it: Ever since Jimmy Piersall I’ve luved crazy baseball players. Brandley’s no exception.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on May 9, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Brandley

Milton Bradley/Michael Brantley hybrid?

My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw

by Turkmenbashi on May 9, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would actually be pretty awesome. A little fire, a little pop. Can draw a walk and make consistent contact.

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by USSChoo on May 9, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or worst case scenario, a bad temper, no power, and an immense hatred for Eric Wedge.

Well, I guess it’s not all bad.

by callmrplow on May 10, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still hitting .333 there!

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by USSChoo on May 10, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think its more of a brandini flashback

by talonk on May 10, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The look on Wedge’s face sums up my feelings towards both of these guys.

by stuart dean on May 9, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Someone should link that explosive LL thread when some LGT’ers deigned to suggest that signing Milton Bradly might not be the brilliant move they all deemed it to be.

by stuart dean on May 9, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

But it sort of worked out. It didn’t turn out as badly as some thought it might. Milton hasn’t burned his bridges in Seattle, to my knowledge. In a weird way the Wedge and Bradley reunion was a heartwarming story of redemption.

by jhon on May 9, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you mean worked out in the sense that he didn’t go to prison or something. His .649 OPS with Seattle begs to differ.

by Roger Dorn on May 9, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it’s that he didn’t go to prison.

Everyone here knows all about b-ref, fangraphs, and wikipedia.

by jhon on May 9, 2011 9:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Since when is not going to prison an accomplishment, even for Milton?

My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw

by Turkmenbashi on May 9, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are you trying to scold, boss?

Milton was relatively benign. Some expected a catastrophe. Nothing much happened, the end.

by jhon on May 9, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, my inner Milton is coming out.

by jhon on May 9, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding. Just thought you were a bit harsh on Dorn up there.

My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw

by Turkmenbashi on May 9, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This does give us the occasion to reflect on just how bad Jack Z is at recovering something of value from forlorn talents. For an alleged super-scout, Z really sucks at scouting.

by jhon on May 9, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My man. For someone who isn’t really known for scouting I still think he had a very good track record with asset reclamation or whatever you wanna call it. He had a well-known bad run with trying to fill out the ‘pen, but at least he struck it rich with Betancourt, salvaged Howry, etc. I don’t share is fashion philosophy, however.

by jhon on May 10, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Milton Bradley: negative 0.6 WAR with Seattle. It probably would have worked out better if they just had cut Silva.

by 7foot3 on May 9, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

In hindsight, sure, but there was a lot more upside in trading him for Bradley. Huge upside.

by Jay on May 9, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt about it, the upside was there. I’m just responding to the ‘it sort of worked out’ part.

by 7foot3 on May 10, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jack Z didn’t complain about him in the presser but he didn’t defend him either. I’m sure it was an interesting time.

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by USSChoo on May 9, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, did I just actually rec something primarily for the sarcastic use of a subject line?

Now I’m confused.

by PBH on May 9, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jack Z

This burrito bowl I am having is pretty delicious.

It works for every comment!

by emd2k3 on May 10, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Removed the other fanshot. Feel free to repost comments here.

by afh4 on May 9, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

As much as I’m sure the guy had problems, I think there is a tiny little grain of truth to all of his complaints. At some point the umpires were probably giving him a hard time based on reputation, and I’m sure he had to deal with a lot of stupid stuff from fans. The incident that sticks out in my mind is when he had a beer bottle thrown at him. I can understand why Ron Artest ran into the stands in Detroit, and I can understand why Bradley got mad. He also complained about racist comments in Chicago from fans, and having been to a couple of games at Wrigley I believe it.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on May 9, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He also got paid millions of dollars to play baseball. At some point you have to man up and learn to shed the reputation instead of feeding into it.

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by USSChoo on May 9, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care how much you make. That depends on what the market is willing to pay for your talent, not how much crap you should have to put up with.

by 7foot3 on May 10, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying you should have to put up with it because you make that amount, but I would be more inclined to put up with Milton’ “problems” at his salary than I would at time.

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by USSChoo on May 10, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Major leaguers have all kinds of demands and requirements placed on them that you and I would never put up with, unless we were looking at a salary to match. It’s part of the job, and yes, that includes fan heckling, and yes, that includes highly objectionable heckling — I mean, is there any other kind?

by Jay on May 10, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, I was at a three-game set against the Padres in ’03 at which one dude just kept yelling “HEEYYYYYYYYYYY NADDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYY!” at Xavier Nady. Probably technically heckling, but doubtfully highly objectionable.

How that guy and I ended up in the same section for three straight games is beyond me.

Trombone/creamy/soda.

by Joel D on May 10, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very well said

My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw

by Turkmenbashi on May 12, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

First, our expectations of a top CEO would not actually be all that different.

Second, CEOs certainly are paid to deal with the public, but they are not entertainers. Ballplayers are paid specifically to provide public performances in front of tens of thousands of people.

by Jay on May 13, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ballplayers are paid specifically to provide public performances in front of tens of thousands of people.

I don’t understand why this makes it ok to throw bottles at them.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on May 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said it was?

We’re not discussing whether it’s okay to throw bottles. We’re discussing what range of reactions is expected of ballplayers when something non-okay happens.

by Jay on May 13, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care how much you make. That depends on what the market is willing to pay for your talent, not how much crap you should have to put up with.

your response:

Major leaguers have all kinds of demands and requirements placed on them that you and I would never put up with, unless we were looking at a salary to match.
There really is no other way to interpret this than “they make a lot of money and thus should put up with it.”

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on May 14, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point being, they should not have bottles thrown at them, and if they do, they shouldn’t be expected to react differently than any other human being simply because they make more money.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on May 14, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn’t the fact that they make more money that raises the expectation. It’s the fact that they are paid huge sums of money specifically to perform in front of mass audiences.

It isn’t okay for any one fan to throw a bottle.

In the aggregate, though, 162 games a year, perhaps 4-5 million tickets sold to those games … is it reasonable to assume that a few incidents like this are going to happen? Yes, it is quite reasonable.

Therefore, is it reasonable to expect that a professional, major league ballplayer will be prepared to handle himself well in the fact of one such incident? Yes, again, quite reasonable.

by Jay on May 16, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. They shouldn’t have to put up with it in the sense that it shouldn’t happen. But many things do happen in the world that shouldn’t happen, and they should have to deal with it appropriately.

You seem to be confusing accountability for the action with accountability for the reaction. It is not a zero-sum question.

by Jay on May 15, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say there’s a higher standard for restraint on athletes than on others not engaged in a public spectacle.

I’m okay with that.

by emd2k3 on May 15, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure that if some drunk threw a beer on me and then called me names and dared me to fight him, I’d probably oblige him. The NBA commish took a pretty dim view of Mr. Artest when he reacted in a like manner.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on May 15, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think our expectations would be different because a CEO has almost certainly received the proper training in how to respond to this. No doubt about it, Bradley has repeatedly taken the wrong response. We’re on the same page if we think its best if Bradley would just shut up for once in his life. I’m just saying that racism/assault are vastly different than some drunk jerk trying to get in your head, and while its easy to ignore the latter, I can easily understand someone not putting up with the former.

by 7foot3 on May 16, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, are you now arguing that Bradley has had no opportunity for training in this regard? Ha! I say again, Ha!

by Jay on May 16, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I could negative rec this comment, I would.

by TKilbane on May 10, 2011 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I could negative rec this comment, I would.

by JulioBernazard on May 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because un-intelligent drunks waste time on lightning-rod fools?

by stuart dean on May 10, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think there is a tiny, little grain of truth to all of his complaints

Let me be clear that I still think most of it was in his head and he’s got plenty of issues to work out.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on May 10, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I once complained a gazillion years ago to my Dad that I had been unjustly blamed for some misdeed at Summer camp. He reminded me that this might not have happened if I hadn’t been justly blamed for so many other transgressions.

by stuart dean on May 10, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true, and an important point. He wouldn’t have received extra scrutiny if he didn’t bring it on himself. That doesn’t necessarily mean it was fair for umpires to throw him out or call a strike where they wouldn’t have to another guy. He earned his reputation, no question. That doesn’t make it ok for umpires to treat him unfairly.

Again let me reiterate that 99% of his problems were in his own head.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on May 10, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your Dad is awesome.

by emd2k3 on May 10, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But his reputation wasn’t something that developed out of thin air – the guy earned that reputation and had to suffer the ramifications of it. He’s lucky he was incredibly good at hitting a little round ball, if not for his millions of dollars, he might be in prison.

by callmrplow on May 10, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the umpires weren’t so bad, he wouldn’t get DFA’d so often.

by YoDaddyWags on May 9, 2011 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Watch Ed Wade claim him on waivers.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on May 9, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

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