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But after a few drinks, “we can relax a bit, stop being so anal with semantics and let comments slide a bit.”

What kind of fun is that?

by YoDaddyWags on Jun 12, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

My signature is applicable for once!

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Jun 12, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Portrayal of Hemingway in “Midnight in Paris” (which I was lucky enough to recently see in Paris) is off the charts funny.

PS – What the bleep did you guys do to our team while I was gone?!

"(We) did not generally despise those trades. We despised being in the position where we had to make them" -Jay

by stuart dean on Jun 13, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Us??!! I don’t know where you took our runs, but I hope you brought them back with you!

by Matt Y. on Jun 14, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that explains how little I drink these days.

by joeee on Jun 12, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Drinking is only one way to party.

by jhon on Jun 12, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wealth, luxury time, status…

by APV on Jun 12, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

High-pressure jobs…

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 12, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got it all backwards. Those with wealth, status, and high-pressure jobs are often conflated with being smart.

by joeee on Jun 13, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm, so one broke-ass smart guy is going to challenge the presumed correlation?

Are there dumb neurosurgeons out there?

by Jay on Jun 14, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

This correlation is so often just an alternate definition of wealth. Born on third base, thinking you hit a triple, etc. It’s circular. What committee gets to define “smart?” Let’s pretend it’s all social. If you’re a grown man and you haven’t figured out the importance of confidence, standing up for yourself, awareness of the way you are perceived by others – alternatively defined as social “skills,” if you don’t have them, then, boy oh boy, you are unobservant and not smart.

The reason we don’t say that is because it’s ludicrous.

by joeee on Jun 14, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a question of who makes the definition, but rather just of having a definition. It’s semantics, but all definitions are semantic. The word “intelligence” has an understood meaning, and it includes some things and not others, while some things may be more ambiguous.

by Jay on Jun 14, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And by the way, is one not essentially “born on third base” also by being born with very high natural aptitude, or by being born to (or adopted by) parents who will tend to raise smarter kids?

by Jay on Jun 14, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, I seriously think it’s all talk. We all have to shop at Target and get stuck in traffic. Some work harder than others, some produce more than others, and yes, some are more insightful than others.

by joeee on Jun 14, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve totally lost your point, if I ever followed it at all. Are you trying to say that intelligence is a social construct?

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 15, 2011 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m saying it’s poorly defined and talked about too much.

by joeee on Jun 15, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, dating is hard and not all of us can be as good looking as you.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 16, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Youre saying this to a guy who has Frodo’s Elrond freak-out as his avatar.

by joeee on Jun 18, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bilbo

Lou Marson and Adam Everett apologist.

by Gradyforpresident on Jun 18, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, how embarassing.

Rereading The Hobbit right now though. It’s perfect.

by joeee on Jun 18, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some work harder than others, some produce more than others, and yes, some are more insightful intelligent than others.

I understand your point about intelligence being poorly defined, but in most casual conversations the meaning of intelligence is pretty well understood

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Jun 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, even on LGT I still hear about my workplace after 7.5+ hours in the Sea of Red (with a hint of khaki). #unrelated

"I don't always hit the ball with the bases loaded. But when I do, I prefer a Grand Slam." - Travis Hafner WITH HAIR

by engtribe48 on Jun 19, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are there dumb neurosurgeons out there?

Yes

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Jun 15, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW, Sam Sheppard was a neurosurgeon.

Our best players wear suits.

by mauichuck on Jun 15, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s confusing LeBron with being smart?

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 14, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember reading more than once that heavier drinkers also exercise more. Which would also be correlated with these things, presumably.

by Logodaedalus on Jun 13, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does this help explain the “bleak existence” of some?

by The DiaTriber on Jun 12, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Kind of the opposite, actually.

by Jay on Jun 12, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn’t there been studies that have found links with high IQ’s and suicide/depression? It’s a commonly said thing, although I have never really seen the studies on them.

So, I would imagine those are the kinds of people that would seek refuge in alcohol.

by Toxicadam on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

To be honest, APV and Manhattan’s explanations are probably the most sensible, but this is clearly the more interesting hypothesis. Something about all the existential angst that crops up as a result of the “examined life”, maybe?

by Logodaedalus on Jun 13, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we are just fooling ourselves in thinking the psychological stress associated with being self-examining is somehow a primary explanation. It is certainly possible that it is true in some way, but I hold to the reasons outlined above. I spend a substantial portion of my time each summer living in a rural village where cash is almost non-existent. Pretty much everyone there lives off what they produce and what little does get sold is used to buy essentials. The people aren’t impoverished, exactly, but they probably have an average annual income of less than $500 and have very little time or capacity for leisure. And yet, hire them with a cash salary for a few weeks and come pay-day, the first thing they do is go out and buy a vat of moonshine and get hammered. This anecdote is, I think, backed by historical descriptions of drinking which show consumption of alcohol going along with the expansion of a working class. I think as a first order explanation, people drink because they can.

by APV on Jun 13, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are you, some kind of anthropologist?

by Logodaedalus on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Legit “well played.”

by Jay on Jun 13, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://instantrimshot.com/

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Jun 14, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If there are studies supporting a link between high IQ and suicide (also remember, typical IQ scores are results from IQ tests aimed at skills that are correlated with traditional academic success, this does not include artistic, musical, or other such talents directly), they are in the minority of the data.

Here’s a Swedish study I found indicating that lower IQ correlates with increased suicidal risk. Although an interesting finding was when considering the parent’s educational background, poorly performing (IQ) men who had well educated parents had the highest subset risk for suicide.

This study also supports the “higher IQ lower suicide rates” findings.

I made my point about the artistic and “other” skills that aren’t assessed directly by traditional IQ tests, because I think there may be a perception of some of the great artists and writers that have suffered depression and suicidal attempts and completion in history that has probably led to the belief that higher intelligence results in higher suicidal attempts, but this is not case.

by hans on Jun 14, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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