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First-place on June 16: Commence Panic

"There are few things as liberating as having your worst fears realized."

This is a quote from Conan O'Brien towards the end of what was a pretty funny and oddly moving commencement address given at Dartmouth College last weekend. It serves as a nice starting point for a consideration of where the first-place Cleveland Indians stand today. O'Brien went on, in his address, to say that it is how we respond to our failure to achieve an ideal that defines our trajectory...a cliched commentary, but one well delivered by the comedian.

The origin of the current 2011 season is in many ways born out of the realization of our greatest fears dating back to 2007. Up 3 games to 1 in the ALCS, with dueling Cy Young candidates Sabathia and Carmona lined up to face Boston, what is the worst that can happen? Heading into 2008, with all that optimism from 2007 and the players who provided that optimism in place, what is the worst that can happen? A few seasons later, few would argue that our worst fears had been realized. From that 96 win season in 2007, we won fewer than 70 games in 2009 and 2010. We had traded, in back to back years, Cy Young winning pitchers. Our team captain and starting catcher, as well as our starting shortstop, were also gone. Our best hitter was reduced to a mere shell of himself by lingering and mysterious injury, while our most exciting and dynamic player was out and facing an unprecedented microfacture surgery on the underside of his patella.

That is all old news, though. The exciting part is that on May 23rd of this year, following a 3-2 come from behind victory against the Boston Red Sox, we were a stunning 15 games over .500 and had the largest division lead in baseball by a sizeable margin. Back were the glorious days of the late '90s when the standings were just an afterthought to the boxscore itself. What is the worst that can happen? 

What has happened is a widespread offensive drought, badly timed good and bad pitching performances, suddenly questionable defense, a reminder of the importance of good health and a frightening suspicion that fear of forced military servitude might be a compelling motivational factor. The Indians suddenly look a lot more like the team we feared they would be at the outset of the season than the team they actually were for the season's first 50 games.

And yet here we sit in first place. We are no longer 15 games over .500, but we are still +6. We have a chance today to take the series and reclaim sole bragging rights in the AL Central from Detroit. We probably do not have the talent to be the steamroller of a team we were for the season's first 50 games, but that stretch should give us all confidence that we have more talent than the last 20 games. We are probably somewhere in the middle. But where that puts us right now is in the middle of a pennant race even if it is still only June. A year ago we were 12.5 games out of first place. Two years ago we were 6.5 out of first. Three years ago we were 5.5 out. I don't care what is the worst thing that can happen...I'm enjoying what is happening now.

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Also, day baseball

by APV on Jun 16, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually this worked out well, I didn’t realize there was a day baseball game today and I missed the whole dreadful thing.

by hans on Jun 16, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s cliche, but you have to go to the old… “If before the season, I told you that the Indians would be in first place in the division on June 16th, you’d take that in a heartbeat…”

by Brick. on Jun 16, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but that doesn’t make this stretch any less painful to watch. In fact, I would argue it makes it even worse. We’ve seen them at their best and are currently suffering through watching them during what I hope is their worst. I just wish the decline was a little more gradual rather than crossing an imaginary line in the sand.

by callmrplow on Jun 17, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huge fan of that quote.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Jun 16, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

So OCAB has a great game and now is on the bench? I am not a manager but this seems odd, but hey maybe it Phelps swan song when Hafner gets back ?

by johio1 on Jun 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Orlando should always be on the bench against a RHP

by APV on Jun 16, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am interested why?

by johio1 on Jun 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

why he should sit against righties is obvious.

why he played last night, i presume is not a national case. acta had a hunch, a legitimate reason, or simly wants to balance guys playing time with the aforementioned few lefty starters we’re due to face (see duncan option).

by Brick. on Jun 16, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea looked at the splits they are pretty different

by johio1 on Jun 16, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Cord has a good game

by johio1 on Jun 16, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to look at a 3 for 2 platoon of Hannahan- Uncle Cab- Phelps. Vs Lefties sit Phelps. Vs Righties rotate Hannahan and Uncle Cab. Uncle Cab backs up All Star Cab!!!

Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic. - Robert S. Wieder

by jerseywahoo on Jun 16, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice piece, APV. Thanks.

by JulioBernazard on Jun 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I still like this team. A lot.

I have no problems with fighting the Tigers tooth and nail for the rest of the year for first place even if we don’t prevail. A young team is better off going through a season where every win is big and meaningful, than breezing through a season always 6-8 games ahead of the second place team. And as Brick wrote above, “If before the season…” Amen.

by LeftyCatcher on Jun 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

A young team is better off going through a season where every win is big and meaningful, than breezing through a season always 6-8 games ahead of the second place team.

Uh, no it’s not.

by emd2k3 on Jun 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you there. I do like the “big and meaningful” option over the “the standings don’t matter because we’re dead and buried” approach we’ve had the past couple of years.

Trombone/creamy/soda.

by Joel D on Jun 16, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but after watching this team the past couple of weeks, are you still convinced they’re going to fight with the Tigers the rest of the year for first place? I don’t mean to sound overly pessimistic and I do realize this is just a really bad stretch during a very long year, but they’ve gone 6-16 since their peak, averaging 2.8 RPG and allowing 5.8, good for a -66 run differential.

by callmrplow on Jun 17, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

day baseball

Lou Marson and Adam Everett apologist.

by Gradyforpresident on Jun 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

The Conan speech was great. And, as far as our game with Detroit went, I’m just as glad to see Fausto’s turn in the rotation in our rearview mirror as anything else. My blood pressure can now go back down.

by MTF on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t intend this to be an “all is well…nothing to see here” kind of piece. I did say about ten days ago that the canary is dead, and I think it is, but the team is not. Phelps’ promotion was the first (or second, if you count White) of several necessary moves. But I still believe the Indians have the right pieces in place, with a combination of luck and smarts, to ride this out to the finish in contention.

by APV on Jun 16, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Does being in contention create pressure not to bring up guys and give them time to get seasoning though? Is the FO commitment different if they are sniffing first place? You seem to be implying the moves are still going to be made and the results may shake out positively. I tend to think that the moves might be different if you are looking at 2012/13 as your best chances and willing to suffer through some patchy results this year. If they find themselves within shouting distance now, the reaction might be different. Right?

Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee

by PortlandVinny on Jun 16, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s the Tribe’s modus operandi to be reactionary in terms of the big picture. If they think Chisenhall or Kipnis are ready, they’ll likely promote them and give them a chance to perform. If not, they won’t. I’m not sure their record will have much of an impact on that decision.

by callmrplow on Jun 17, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

9 1/2 minutes into the Conan vid, and have had 4 legit lols in the past 3 minutes. Appreciate the link.

Love the Kim guy’s reactions too.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jun 16, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Weglarz went deep twice tonight for Akron. Kipnis had a 2B and a HR in his first two ABs for Columbus.

by APV on Jun 16, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Pomeranz was excellent for 7 with Kinston.

by APV on Jun 16, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see him promoted in the next month or so. 77:23 K:BB ratio in 60+ innings.

by callmrplow on Jun 17, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kipnis is on fire

Lou Marson and Adam Everett apologist.

by Gradyforpresident on Jun 17, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else get the feeling that if they do hang around the periphery of 1st and look to add (and at this point, maybe they become opportunistic about it being a starter or a right-handed bat, whichever) that Chisenhall could be dealt?

I go back to Jay’s piece on the neo-prospects and Hannahan’s stellar defense, I just don’t see that changing in terms of him being entrenched at third. Third also seems to be Donald’s spot who still seems more useful than Phelps if he can ever stay healthy. Valbuena still hasn’t completely bailed off the radar with his recent stretch.

The Chiz has had a middling year (at best) but still young for the league and carries that Top 30 prospect sheen at least from Prospectus.

by cheech99 on Jun 17, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

But do we feel comfortable trading someone with Chisenhall’s upside while considering the team’s depth at that position includes Hannahan and a guy who hasn’t logged much time at the position? I like Donald, but I like him as a 2B.

by callmrplow on Jun 17, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Part of my point too is I thought the book on Chisenhall is that his ceiling isn’t all that high. But admittedly, I have no idea what I’m talking about.

by cheech99 on Jun 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve read solid regular to potential all star, but of course that’s ceiling. Considering there are 16 qualified 3B in MLB and only 4 with an OPS above .800 with the median at .737, I’d have a hard time getting rid of him unless you get a pretty good offer. After all, I’d consider 3B to be one of our biggest holes, both at the ML level and down through the system.

by callmrplow on Jun 17, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

A pretty good indicator of a team that’s not yet there – we’re more excited (legitimately) by guys in the minors than we are about just about anyone on the major league roster.

by peter m on Jun 17, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That isn’t true, and to the extent it is true, it’s our fallacy, not the club’s. None of these guys in the minors is expected to turn into Sizemore or Santana. And I mean none.

by Jay on Jun 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would add, in all but the very best seasons — and I mean not just contending, but ridiculous, runaway leads in the race — we always look to the minors while fretting over deficiencies. We certainly did in 2005 and 2007, and won’t you be happy if this club ends up being as good as those?

by Jay on Jun 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll grant your point about Santana. I think Pomerantz is expected to be a big time pitcher, however. And of course you’re right that looking at the minors occurs in “good” years too (although I also recall a lot of talk about guys who could be added from outside the organization in years like that. I’m not really hearing that now).

I overstated the point, but I do think the WAY in which people are talking about some of the minor league prospects reflects doubts about the current club (as well as excitement over what might happen over the next couple of years).

by peter m on Jun 17, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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