Game thread, July 19, 2011
by Matt Y. on Jul 19, 2011 8:26 PM EDT
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PrintHere is a game thread for our July 19 game against the Minnesota Twins, if you would like one. If the mods put one up shortly, I'll delete this.
Matchup: Justin Masterson vs. Francisco Liriano
Lineups -
CLE:
E. Carrera, CF
O. Cabrera, 2B
A. Cabrera, SS
C. Santana, 1B
M. LaPorta, DH
A. Kearns, RF
J. Hannahan, 3B
L. Marson, C
T. Buck, LF
MIN:
B. Revere, CF
A. Casilla, 2B
J. Mauer, 1B
M. Cuddyer, RF
J. Thome, DH
D. Valencia, 3B
D. Young, LF
T. Nishioka, SS
D. Butera, C
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I finally found the secret fort that is this game thread!
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Ha. I shall never tell. That way, nobody gets into trouble.
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Bloop hits. Booo.
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Found you guys!
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by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 19, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
Did you get lost by the old gravely road too?
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As it is Wednesday afternoon here I always have to dip back into the past to find you all
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 19, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see.
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Really wanted to tell you about Lou going deep…………………….
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 19, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got here. Pretty pitiful lineup tonight, huh?
Fear the Fedora.
by MooneysRebellion on Jul 19, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
One look at the lineup card probably caused it
by barsham on Jul 19, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hm, with this lineup and Liriano’s stuff/control issues, I think I tell hitters 6-9 and 1-2 to never swing.
Zeke woulda swung at a paper cup in that AB if Liri threw it.
by JulioBernazard on Jul 19, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful Lou.
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Definitely
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by PortlandVinny on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
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That reminds me. Did you guys see this? I think it came from a few days ago in the Twins-Royals game.
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
Love it. Very athletic
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by PortlandVinny on Jul 19, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
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Don’t press, Droobs. Focus.
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
Says the guy listening on MLB Gameday Audio
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by PortlandVinny on Jul 19, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well at least we know that Masterson can field his position.
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He once dented a baseball. Oh and he has also had 4 HR balls in the air at the same time.
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I sincerely doubt both of those, though I did once give up a HR that has shared air time with every subsequent HR.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
I’ve personally talked to Metcalf (his HS coach) and he told me the story about the four balls in the air. Said at one time there was video, I asked to see it but he said it was edited for news and deleted. LaPorta says it was three not four.
As for the dented ball…there was a picture of it in the local papers down there. But I never saw it.
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Does anyone have a guess as to why MLB Extra Innings uses a fake audio call that sounds like pure douchebag for their ads?
Actually, they are nauseating.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
SWEET LOU
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
…But only if our enemies are lefties.
by barsham on Jul 19, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SOAB. The player we have get hit in the face, I say the entire team charges out of the dugout and attacks said pitcher.
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Do Indians’ players get hit in the head more than any other team?
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Valbuena to LF… cripes
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Carrera showing some hitting ability lately
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Any more outfield injuries and we will have a Columbus defensive unit. If we are making a trade, I think an outfielder just became a priority.
Adam Foote still blows!
Ducks on the pond!
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At least it wasn’t a double play. Droobs is gonna be the $$$.
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When you try and hide someone in the field, the ball always finds them.
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Meaning, you put someone like Valbuena in the field, hoping that the ball won’t get hit to him…usually backfires.
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I understand the concept, but my guess that if a study was done, the “hole” gets as many balls hit to him as the regular at that positions.
Well, yeah. It’s just an old adage. That’s all.
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Yeah, as I feared.
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Indians working hard on deals for one of Josh Willingham and Ryan Ludwick
Yeah I prefer Willingham
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
Yeah, but Jay pointed out his BAbip in another thread. He’ll be over-priced.
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
I didn’t see the post, but I believe it for this year. However, he has a career .291/.339/.481 line. Can’t all be luck.
His BAbip is .381 compared with .327 for his career. It is probably 90% luck, and anyway, why is everyone so jazzed about a guy with an 820 OPS?
For corner outfields, it was 768 for outfielders and 791 for right fielders.
I’m not necessarily saying Pence is the end all be all, but if the price isn’t ridiculously steep, it might be worth it.
Ed Wade is going to be the issue. He will want Kipinis, White, Pomeranz, Abener Abreu, Slider, What’shisname, PBTNL, Antonietti and Cedar Point.
Ed Wade is not the guy you trade with to acquire Pence, he’s the guy you trade with to unload Pence.
by Jay on Jul 19, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Going on what I believe to be are the most talented guys in the system, I think a reasonable trade would be a bullpen arm , one of the AAA starters (Gomez, Huff, McAlister) and Kipnis or Phelps.
Way too much.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. I don’t see the AAA guys as anything more than 4/5 guys at their best. Painful as it may be to give up a bullpen arm, you gotta give up value to get value. Maybe Phelps/Kipnis puts it over the top, but I’m fine with the first two parts.
Just so you know what your saying, the 4/5 guy would be under control for at least three years. The bullpen guy depends, lets say a year and for kicks and say an average 2B. Your talking 10 productive/average seasons for 1.5 seasons of average RF. Doeas that still sound fair?
I don’t value bullpen guys as great commodities because of how much they bounce up and down. As for as the 4/5 thing, in a vacuum, I like your reasoning. But I think between Gomez, Huff, McCalister (and maybe Barnes) they have enough of those guys that they can afford to risk giving one of them up to make a run this year.
Hunter Pence ain’t worth it. That’s the long and short of it. Have you even looked at another available player?
It’s not Hunter Pence or no trade. You have to understand that.
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They can be deployed with some craft, however.
In addition, there’s no way to know how Pence does in the AL.
Sure, but how much better? Pence won’t be cheap in terms of talent and is not cheap in terms of salary.
And away from Minute Maid (is it still called that?) he under .800 OPS.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
After Travis Buck got hit in the head, I went to plunkeveryone.com to see if I could glean anything interesting. I did notice that among the leaderboards on the site on the dropdown menus in the right hand sidebar among the available splits is leaders being hit by a pitch in parks named after orange juice, insurance companies, beer, banks, people, telecoms and teams.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s nothing wrong with Hunter Pence. The problem is that he will not come with the right price tag. Everyone can say “Yeah but for the right price…” all they want. He’s still going to cost more than he’s worth.
Steel Nick
We don’t know that because we don’t know what it would cost to get him. I also have issues assuming that the prospects traded are going to turn out well. I don’t know that any of the tribe’s prospects, aside from Pomeranz, are sure things to become everyday players. To assume that whatever, and for whomever, the Indians make a play for will be done by overpaying is too quick a judgment to make.
Right. I give up a AA guy not named Pomeranz and an A guy with some upside. Nothing more. They will want multiple guys in our top 10. I say no.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
So if the deal was for Weglarz or Washington or someone like that, you’d nix it on that alone? I don’t think its a good idea to fall in love for prospects just because their ours.
At this point, if Weglarz can seal an envelope without a DL stint, I’d be impressed.
by gte619n on Jul 19, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depending on what list you look it, Washington and Weglarz are part of the top ten. If you value McCalister more, fine, but I wouldn’t rule out our top prospects just for the sake of being our top guys.
We’re not, but your entire reasoning so far for giving them away is “well what if they don’t do anything?” Which is horrible reasoning.
Steel Nick
That’s not how I mean it to come off. But I don’t think our guys are locks to be so great as to suggest that we shouldn’t think about unloading them when there is a chance to make some noise this season.
I think with the right fielder a team can take some hits on the defensive side of things. Rocket arm aside, Choo doesn’t exactly shine out there, either.
You can’t consider right fielders without considering their arms.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the fact that we currently have Austin Kearns out there, I doubt a prospective trade target’s arm is going to be a deal-breaker.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
My point is that you can’t put Choo’s rocket arm aside when considering him as a defender.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Even when they misplay the ball badly it somehow winds up in their glove. I would feel better about it if they were good and lucky, but being bad and lucky is unsufferable.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Make that insufferable.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
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I don’t understand how this works. I mean, he does a tremendous job with arm angles, but eventually doesn’t he have to keep them off balance? Remarkable.
Well he has two different fastballs, but you would think he’d need to throw more sliders eventually.
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
Reed Johnson hit a double off Cliff Lee tonight, continuing his season-long trend of destroying lefties. Juuuuust saying.
Steel Nick
Valbuena better be swinging at anything close in his next at bat.
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Pulled him off the bag. Ugh.
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Thanks to Matt Y. for putting up the thread. The site was down briefly this afternoon, I wonder if that didn’t screw up the Game Thread posting system. Ryan usually has them programmed to go up automatically.
Yeah, SB Nation had a problem as a whole. It messed up some other stuff as well.
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Ouch. Bet that was annoying.
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Smart move and yeah, it seems to happen every now and then.
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Haha. Yeah, I know that feeling. I usually just attempt it a few times and then give up.
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I thought they’d be automated at this point.
by JulioBernazard on Jul 19, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sit down Thome!
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Was impeccable.
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Yay!!
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And, to counter your Twins baseball, some Indians baseball.
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He ended up in the first row of seats down the right field line while attempting to field a foul pop.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If I recall, your wife is also at least semi-responsible for the great “Parker Lewis Can’t Lose” theme song night of 2007.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Hmm, I missed Little Giraffe. Give me a minute to think about it before you tell me the answer, unless it’s something I’ll never come up with.
Il faut d'abord durer.
it’s been 10 minutes; Graffanino.
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http://www.letsgotribe.com/2011/7/19/2283952/game-thread-july-19-2011#72261124
Trombone/creamy/soda.
saw that before you pointed it out BUT BEFORE I POSTED DAMMIT
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I also believe it was your wife who wondered why equal accolades aren’t given for no-walkers as no-hitters?
Steel Nick
She never failed to sing the theme song for a few seconds when he entered the game, straight through last season. Her knowledge of 80s TV theme songs is fairly encyclopedic.
I watched that show a lot when it was on. Until LGT I didn’t know anyone else had heard of it.
Steel Nick
Pittsburgh beat Cinci again tonight to stay in first place.
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I used to not care about Pittsburgh as a baseball town. Now…I don’t like them. Though I do like Neal Huntington.
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I don’t like them because it’s Pittsburgh.
by emily522 on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like them. I completely separate them from the Steelers. My father is a die-hard Indians fan but worshiped Roberto Clemente as a kid. 21 is still my lucky number because of it.
Steel Nick
I’m about right here, too. I like them because they’re kind of like an NL Indians. A friend of mine is a huge Pirates fan, so I kind of cheer for them by proxy through him.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
Would be a great and very unlikely World Series matchup. ESPN would hate it, which I love.
Steel Nick
Even now, they’re listening to Antonetti’s and Huntington’s voice mail messages to insure that this doesn’t happen.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The Indians should never be compared to the Pirates, at least for the era concerning the last twenty years. One of these organizations has been quite successful and one has made losing into an art form.
I like them because a friend who thinks he’s knowledgeable, and is from Pittsburgh, went ballistic when they traded McLouth. Said he was done rooting for a team that “wouldn’t pay good players.” I tried to tell him that McLouth was one of the worst players in the game, but he wouldn’t hear it. So now I want the Pirates to win so he can suck it.
Yeah, I’ve got no interest in the Cleveland-Pittsburgh rivalry.
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Man, that is tough one. They are both awesome. Both pranksters and say funny stuff. Both really good football players. I’d give the edge to Haden only because I’m a defensive guy (DB’s specifically).
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I like it because it’s making so many Reds fans absolutely furious and that makes me happy.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Successfully stayed away from Tour de France results today, so I’ve got a rainy climb and descent on the TV and a Tribe shut-out on the laptop. It’s gonna be a good evening.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Tour de France? Really?
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I’m a triathlete, so I ride a ton, which helps, but man, July is my absolute favorite month of the year because of the Tour. It’s oddly soothing and really exciting at the same time, or nearly the same time. Kind of like baseball in a sense; you can “watch it” while doing something and still really enjoy it.or you can really watch it closely and get a ton out of it.
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Ahhhh. That’s cool. I watched it every now and then when Lance was in it. Floyd Landis as well. But other than that, too much “drug talk” though, which gets ridiculous after a bit.
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I loves me some Tour de France, as does my brother. I won’t spoil it for you, but it’s a great event to follow.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
Popular down here as well
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 19, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved Jan Ullrich. I always wanted him to win, then he got booted for a pretty shaky doping accusation when he had his chance.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
I’m pretty sure he won one in the late 90’s.
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That’s right.
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Yeah, 1997. I guess I should have said I wanted him to win another one. It was really that time that he waited for Armstrong after he wrecked in the early 2000s that took me from casually liking him to really being infatuated. That was just a really sporting move.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
Ahhhh, yeah, that was a really classy move.
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This is true.
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Bicycle racing is only slightly more entertaining than watching an endless loop of Derek Jeter highlights.
I think it’s something that’s difficult to appreciate unless you ride at least a little. The amount of pain that goes into riding up a mountain is incredible. Doing it that fast is just incredible, and then the attacking and tactics are amazing.
I’ve “cracked” before climbing around Colorado with my friends, and you feel like you’re dying. It’s like a switch gets flipped and the pain is excrutiating and you’ve just got nothing to respond with. It’s incredible to watch these guys do it in the tour, whether they’re doping or not.
Il faut d'abord durer.
I always think about the Tour when I’m out running, mostly because I “crack” from time to time on the hills and it makes it that much more incredible to me what those guys are able to do.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
I do the same thing.
One time I was way up north of Boulder with a few friends riding HARD, as hard as we could. Some guy blows by us like we’re on Huffys. And he’s talking on his cell phone. It was Christian Vandevelde. It was the most impressive thing I’ve ever seen up close like that; we were all in really good shape, all Ironman shape, and this guy was just playing a totally different sport.
Il faut d'abord durer.
He was one of Lance’s US Postal teammates right?
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I think so. Later he was on Slipstream/Chipotle, and I’m not sure what they’re called this year. It’s like the frat of cycling, they’re lunatics, but they’re very anti-doping and very visible in Boulder, so I’ve grown to cheer for them.
Il faut d'abord durer.
That’s cool. If I had been in your shoes and saw him fly past me like that, I’d have probably said to myself “Well, time to pick a new sport.”
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I’ll watch bicycle racing over auto racing any day of the week.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No way. NASCAR is greatness.
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Open-wheel racing, F1, Indy Car…etc. It is boring to me. Sounds like a wind-up toy.
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I’d watch golf over either of them. AND I HATE GOLF.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Do you play golf?
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hell no.
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Oh.
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Agree. Although I don’t hate golf. But I haven’t gone yet this year through a combination of schedule and a complete lack of talent on my part.
There are few things more enjoyable than golfing with a bunch of buddies who are also terrible on a beautiful day.
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Exactly. I’ve got no problems with going out with a couple of buddies, chucking and hacking around the course, drinking a few beers..etc.
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I thought it was Melky.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Manning making the semi-moronic case for Francouer. Shapiro needs to have the RBI talk with him yet again.
I’m not breaking the bank for him, but Francouer would make some sense. http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/07/09/the-frenchy-formula/
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Denise Eckersley.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
by Joel D on Jul 19, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the many.
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I guess they left via free agency. Nevermind.
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MR. MORSE JUST POPPED UP ON THE ESPN TOP PERFORMER LEADERBOARD.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Ben Revere’s OPS is under .600. I think Masterson could have gotten him. Water under the bridge though; Sipp did his job, now it’s up to Rage.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
Masterson went 7.2. He did his job. Sipp came in and did his.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. It is fantastic.
I was designed by someone who is a true paranoid neurotic. I love it.
by gte619n on Jul 19, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Never heard of it.
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Hm, Paisley is way, way more talented. An incredibly underrated guitar player.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would be much happier if it was more than a 1 run lead, and not the heart of the Minnesota order coming up
Valbuena! I like it.
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Haha.
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Is this news?
MINNEAPOLIS — The Cleveland Indians got some good news about Grady Sizemore on Tuesday, with an MRI showing nothing more than a bone bruise on his injured right knee.
There is no timetable for Sizemore’s return
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
along with more public trade talk:
There is no timetable for Sizemore’s return, and with fellow outfielder Shin-Soo Choo still out another month with a broken left thumb, manager Manny Acta said the need for his team to make a trade to bolster the club is “an understatement.”
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Choo is still out for a month? Holy crap.
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i’d be thrilled to have him August 19th.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Well yeah, but it seems like an awfully long time to be out.
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How is one especially susceptible to bone bruises?
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
if you want a valbuena, jose inglett will give you a valbuena
by emil minty on Jul 19, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just hit Mauer in the face with a pitch and be done with it.
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Little league?
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by FlaGators on Jul 19, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
according to hammy, the strike zone gets tiny when Mauer is the batter.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Yeah….ugh oh.
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“No doubles defense”… which just led to a double.
by JulioBernazard on Jul 19, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s the right defense there. Valbuena doesn’t get a great jump because of big swing/broken bat. Bad luck for us there.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Twins baseball.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
IBB? HATE.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
loads the bases, perez is wild, a homer wasn’t likely—and valencia can hit a SF just as easily.
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
The Twins might tie or win this ballgame for the simple reason that Francisco Liriano hit Travis Buck in the head and Valbueana was forced to play LF.
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Thome being IBBP
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
Rick Manning DOES NOT LIKE THAT DEFENSE, Sam I Am.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Jul 19, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
At MLB Gameday speed, I’d already assumed the 2-run HR worst. This is actually a relief.
by BandwagonSince93 on Jul 19, 2011 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
So far…
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Yep.
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I dont’ understand the underrating of Bob Wickman
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm…
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DIVE!!!
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What was Valbuena doing??
"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.
It found him. As they say.
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Mauer (or whoever was on second) probably doesn’t get back if he takes off like that.
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There you go. Yeah, no way he gets back.
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Garko woulda had it.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Jul 19, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, what, he just had nothing on the slider? Had to throw a meatball fastball just to keep one in the strikezone?
Steel Nick
Twins baseball, everybody. They win on two bloops in front of an outfielder who’s only out there because a better player was hit in the head by a pitched ball. Their not very good outfielder luck into baseballs they have no business catching and our not very good infielder playing the outfield can’t get to the baseball.
I hate the Twins.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We will. No worries.
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HOW DO YOU SHOW UP AT JUST THIS TIME TO POST THAT?
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by westbrook on Jul 19, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Probably any loss, actually.
I imagine when you read your children bedtime stories, they’re about the national debt and how doing well in school and getting degrees won’t guarantee them a job anymore.
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by nickjs21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Brutally funny. I laughed out loud.
Lou Marson fan.
by Gradyforpresident on Jul 20, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Injuries, too. And Valbie, a little bit.
Plus the mods, for not putting up a proper game thread.
by JulioBernazard on Jul 19, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Can a game thread be blamed?
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This is one of those days where I feel like we just need to make that trade…the longer we wait the more games like this we lose.
On the bright side (no matter how hard it is to see right now), this might get that trade done sooner rather than later.
near must win.
A 4-4 road trip against bad teams just isn’t going to get it done.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
do concussions requre a DL stint? b/c i am not looking forward to a brantley/carrera/kearns outfield for the next 2 weeks
Manning with one good point- where the hell was Brantley. He needs to ignore the stomach flu for a couple hours and man left for the last 4 innings.
Manning is a moron. If you’re too sick to play, you’re too sick to play.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
by Joel D on Jul 19, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I as well.
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What in the hell would you two be “skeptical” of? Enlighten me. Did you think Brantley had his feet up on a table with a piece of straw sticking out his mouth, shaking his head as Acta asked him to suit up? Think for a second before agreeing with RICK MANNING.
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by nickjs21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It isn’t like people haven’t played with the flu before. Just saying.
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Just saying… what? You peeked your head in that clubhouse, did you?
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by nickjs21 on Jul 19, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
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Did Manning give you the D or something?
by silverbackAXP on Jul 20, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll make a note of that. Placing this loss anywhere near Brantley is absurd.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
by Joel D on Jul 19, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really. If he is out there, I say we win. Now, he may have been truly unable to play. But its just hard for me to accept.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard for me to accept that Indians players keep getting hit in the head with pitched balls. Yet, I’m not blaming Travis Buck for losing this game.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I (and Manning) am not totally blaming Michael Brantley, but the lack of Michael Brantley sure did hugely contribute to this loss.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a difference between saying Brantley’s absence hurt, and saying it’s Brantley’s fault for not being there. They are not the same thing.
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Exactly. And I think the first is clearly true. The second could be.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny Acta could choke vagrants and dump them in the river of every road city. Until I have a shred of evidence to suggest it, why even bring it up?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jul 19, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So now you understand my own reaction.
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by nickjs21 on Jul 19, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I suppose. I also am reminded why I stopped reading comments on blogs. Context and tone are misread or ignored and the entire discussion turns to semantics and obsession over insignificant topics.
I apologize that I so offended you in my reaction to Manning’s comment of “where was Brantley?” We lost a game in a really difficult way. One of the guys that could have made a difference was a last second scratch for a “stomach ailment” and we were left with a guy out of position. I am frustrated at a slow, out of position LF and we had a speedy good LF on the bench who was healthy very recently and not injured.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fine, but I don’t think I’m the one taking anything out of context. You, likely and understandably mad over a loss, questioned Brantley’s commitment to being on the field (and you did) with no reason to do so. It was completely misplaced blame. You can’t hang that one on the comments sections of blogs.
Steel Nick
I questioned the decision to have Brantley unavailable late in the game, whoever made that decision. Neither of us know what his condition was, but I’m guessing he (and/or Acta) are second-guessing taht decision now.
I also expressed frustration at ALL the factors that led to Valbuena’s presence in LF at the end of a 1-run game and the bending of these two items and subsequent discussion trying to separate those two likely wouldn’t have happened if you were sitting next to me.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it did. So did the Indians’ failure to hit with RISP. If Liriano doesn’t hit Travis Buck in the head with a pitch, Brantley’s non-presence is a nonfactor.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 19, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But its just hard for me to accept.
Give me one reason you have to believe anything other than “Brantley was too sick to play.”
Steel Nick
Its hard to accept or swallow the entire situation. Also, he just played 18 innings yesterday, got 20 hours of rest and then couldn’t play in a huge spot? It just sucks
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
“It just sucks” and “he hasn’t played in 20 hours” are not evidence that he was dogging it.
Steel Nick
But its hard to accept.
hard to swallow
1. difficult to accept The terms of the agreement were hard to swallow, but I needed the work. My father’s anger was very hard to swallow.
The statement doesn’t have anything to do with the culpability of Brantley’s toughness. It just is a crappy situation.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
As you mentioned above, we are talking about two separate things (at the same tiem thanks to the magic of SBN’s platform!
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’re talking about two different things, I apologize, and I will steer it back to my original question as a sort of final statement on my part. Then we can walk away.
Brantley was too sick to play. You claimed to be skeptical of the fact that he was too sick to play. I suggested you had no reason to be, and if you do, you haven’t shown one.
Steel Nick
I was skeptical, admittedly in the heat of the moment, because he played 18 innings yesterday and seemed fine and played well. He was also in the lineup up until just before the game, suggesting either some indecision by Brantley or Acta or that one of them considered having him go out there anyway. Plus I disagree with the statement “if you are too sick then you are too sick”. He could have been less than 100%, boderline, and they decided to give him teh day off. But that Calculus could have change after some time to get better and with the situation became more dicey for the team. Such judgment calls are made all the time in a long season.
Maybe he was incapacitated and couldn’t lift his head off the toilet seat through the 9th. Maybe Acta wanted to make sure he was fresh for tomorrow. We don’t know. I don’t have evidence, but in search for what went wrong in a tough loss, I was skeptical given the circumstance.
by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 19, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends how bad the flu is.
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Apparently it was pretty bad. Either that or Brantley doesn’t care about winning games in the middle of the tightest playoff race of his young career. I’m going to stick with the “Brantley sick, Manning stupid” theory for now.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
by Joel D on Jul 19, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
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Maybe Masterson just needs to learn to be a winner and this isn’t a problem.
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by nickjs21 on Jul 19, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely. Apparently too much time around that wuss Michael Brantley has rubbed off on him.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
by Joel D on Jul 19, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, correct, but what kind of fan is rational? Every 9th inning lead that disappears feels wrong, unjust, downright un-American! Cf. Jose Mesa.
by JamesPowell on Jul 19, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I kicked stuff.
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by PortlandVinny on Jul 19, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess who sat in near 100 degree temps to watch them fritter it away. Disheartening but honestly that might be the two worst lineups one can watch. Garbage.
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