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Game 84: Yankees 9, Indians 2

This photo totally creeps me out.

During the relentless schedule each major league team plays, there are certain nights when a team is just going to lose, without any real fanfare or excitement—the team will simply appear totally unprepared to compete that night, confused and bewildered, an indoor soccer team that took a wrong turn and ended up playing the role of Cleveland's Nine. Tonight was certainly one of those nights. The Indians were down 5-0 after just two innings, Carlos Carrasco's night would be over after only four innings and with his exit his string of excellent starts ended at five as well. The young hurler labored to get through his short start, throwing 93 pitches.  Bear in mind, as always, that this is a young man who was born in 1987.

That it would not be the Indians night was obvious from the first batter of the game, when Derek Jeter rolled a ball 60 feet up the third baseline for hit number 2,995 for his career. If that wasn't enough of a poor omen, the Yankees managed to load the bases with only one out in the top of the second inning, only to see Francisco Cervelli squander the rally with an easy double play ball to Asdrubal Cabrera. The double play did not materialize, however—Cord Phelps was unable to make a good throw to first and Cervelli beat it out for an RBI groundout. It appears that the Indians have a defensive issue in the infield, specifically at second base—shocking, I know.

Phelps has been bad at second, but so has Orlando Cabrera, and at least Phelps is still learning the position. In the wings is Jason Kipnis, another supposedly raw keystonesman, Jason Donald, a converted shortstop morphing into a utility man, and, umm, wait is this right? Over three seasons, Asdrubal Cabrera played 162 games at second for Cleveland, and I had assumed that would make him the leader on the team for games played at the position—that's wrong, though. Perhaps your instinct is that Orlando, a 15 year veteran and longtime shortstop, has surpassed that number piecemeal over his long career. That's also incorrect, though—OC has played only 105 games at second. So, who is this mystery man who leads Cleveland's 40 man roster in games and innings played at second at the major league level?

It is Luis Valbuena, who has appeared in 164 major league games at the keystone. That is your most experienced Indian at second—perhaps it shouldn't be a surprise that the team has been a bit raw around the pivot. 

There was an obvious silver lining following Phelps' mistake, though. Derek Jeter was coming to bat against a right-handed pitcher. Jeter's line against righties this year is the fearsome .241/.289/.291 and the fact that he's batting leadoff against them is a gift from Joe Girardi to other mangers; in a weird twist on the "two leadoff men" ploy, Carrasco was granted the privilege of facing two number nine hitters in Cervelli and Jeter. Of course, New York's dimming star shorstop plugged a gap for a two RBI double. Curtis Granderson finished the inning off with a two-run homerun (his first of two this evening) and CC Sabathia cruised to an easy victory the rest of the way, striking out eleven before giving way to someone named Lance Pendleton who would tough out the final two innings. 

There was no good news tonight. Besides losing, the Indians also potentially lost their best player when Asdrubal Cabrera turned his ankle making a throw to second. The shortstop stayed in the game briefly before taking a seat and he's currently day to day. Getting only a footnote in the bad news section is Chad Durbin, who again pitched poorly. Before this evening, Durbin was moonlighting as a stathead sleeper, scoring relatively well in BP's advanced metrics like Fair Run Average (FRA) and Skill-Interactive ERA (SIERA). After giving up another four hits and three runs, I can't imagine he'll be moonlighting as anything besides perhaps some other occupation besides baseball player. 

The Indians will try to win their third straight series tomorrow with their best pitcher, Justin Masterson (2.85 ERA, 80 K's), facing off against erstwhile uberprospect Phil Hughes (13.94 ERA, 3 SO), making his first start since April 14 and whose latest appearance was in AA. Also likely to appear tomorrow for the first time since an injury is Indians first baseman, and erstwhile uberprospect himself, Matt LaPorta

 

Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Phelps .029 Carrasco -.355
Hermann .010 Brantley -.061
Judy .003 Marson -.047

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As long as Durbin continues to be ineffective in the higher leverage situations (2-3 run games, coming in with runners on) he gets my stamp of approval. He is, after all, our 6th/7th BP arm.

by ahowie on Jul 5, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Ineffective should be effective*

by ahowie on Jul 5, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCallister to start Thurs against the Jays

by tr1betime on Jul 5, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Who will come off the roster, Judy?

by JulioBernazard on Jul 6, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Durbin

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 6, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, Phelps isn’t this bad defensively, but it’s to the point now where Manny can’t really trust him to put him out there. I can’t imagine that you’ll see him up here much longer. These have not been difficult plays. I’m also a bit worried about the scout who told Lastoria that he wasn’t surprised when informed that Phelps had made two errors in that game against the Giants. You may see a move made tomorrow, particularly with Asdrubal’s injury. It’s also a lesson to those who screamed for Phelps to come up earlier by comparing OPS’s and saying “it can’t get worse.” Yes it can. Yes it can. I have no doubt that Phelps will one day be a much better hitter than what OCab is now. It’s just a matter of if he can play better now…and to this point, the answer is no.

Did anyone else notice Asdrubal limping on Monday night, as well as once or twice on the road trip? I never saw enough of it to determine what leg it was, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the injury tonight was an aggravation and more severe than what it was before.

Just watching Carrasco now…watch his fastball…in this good stretch, he had limited horizontal movement, and had more sink. Tonight he didn’t appear to get on top of the ball much, and that’s death with him. As with most pitchers, the fastball is the key for Carrasco.

For those of you who argue Carrasco’s issues aren’t mental (and I am generally one of those), tonight’s 2nd inning cannot help our argument.

When was the last time Lou Marson hit the ball with authority to the left side of the field? 2010?

Chisenhall will need a platoon partner at 3B…probably for a couple of years, at least.

by TribeJay on Jul 6, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

this comment wasn’t here when I made mine below, but the radio guys made some comments the other day that improvement had to be made by Phelps to stay on the team for much longer.

or at least they strongly implied it. Don’t remember exactly what they said.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

They said he wouldn’t remain while his defense was a liability. Last night’s game simply comfirmed it.

I don’t know how OC’s defense and Cord’s defense can be lumped together in the same “bad” category (as made in the writeup). Cord’s error (sure, it wasn’t called an official error, but everyone saw it) allowed all 5 runs to score in the 2nd inning. I’m not going to pin the loss on him, but c’mon – his contribution to the loss is woefully missing from the stat sheet.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Jul 6, 2011 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Didn’t OC lose a couple of games about a month ago by not fielding routine grounders.

by afh4 on Jul 6, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should be (!)

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 6, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

One game that stands out is Toronto and the boot at the bag, followed by lollygagging to allow a second run to score on the play. We were down 4-1 when the play occurred. I recall another that went through his legs and that was another game where things had turnes ugly before the error.

For Phelps, the errors happened at two high leverage points (last night and last Sat in SF). If Phelps makes those plays the complexion of the game changes completely – at least the Tribe would be batting in the next half inning in a tie game… (rather than being down against two of the toughest pitchers in baseball).

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Jul 6, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You lollygag the ball around the infield.
You lollygag your way down to first.
You lollygag in and out of the dugout.
Do you know what that makes you? Larry.

Lollygaggers!

Lollygaggers.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 6, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care how bad he’s looked, sending him down now would be premature and short-sighted.

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Jul 6, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m not saying you’re wrong or right but I think you represent the schism in the thinking. If Phelps is a real prospect, a piece you want to nurture and build around, it’s absurd to move him now. However, if Phelps is just a spare part, the fourth fiddle behind a number of better players, then you move him whenever you want—he’s an organizational soldier and his value is nearly as much in the Indians ability to shift him around as in his ability to hit or field.

I don’t pretend to know which he is and perhaps only someone who watched him a lot in the minors is really qualified to judge. If the Indians send him down, I do wonder if that will be indicative of their internal evaluation of his ceiling.

by afh4 on Jul 6, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it necessarily a bad move (from a player development POV) to send a prospect back to the minors for some additional seasoning? Especially when the team is contending?

He’s had a taste of the show; now he can take a step back to refine himself. It’s quite common.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Jul 6, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t think sending Phelps down now is a big deal. I don’t see that meaning they’ve given up on him or it will destroy his confidence or anything. Many young players bounce up and down to the majors before they stick. We’ve seen Phelps for a few weeks and he’s not playing well so it’s time to see what someone else can do. He’s probably down on himself for playing so poorly; let him play every day in Columbus and get his confidence back up.

If we bring up Donald or Valbuena and send down Phelps, then who is gone when LaPorta comes back? Hannahan? If Donald or Valbuena can back up 3B then he’s not really necessary any more.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 6, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about that. The mistakes he’s making are on very routine plays. That double play he flubbed up in the second inning is about as easy a turn as you can get. I think he’s pressing, and it might actually be better for him to go back to Columbus and regroup mentally.

by Ryan on Jul 6, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS. He’s not hitting, and he looks quite bad at 2B. There’s no reason to keep him topside.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 6, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s hitting fine.

by YoDaddyWags on Jul 6, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We’re talking about Phelps, right?

by JulioBernazard on Jul 6, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and he is. Not fine enough to make up for his defensive shortcomings though.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s had 55 plate appearances. His OPS is 838 from the game he won with a three run homer. He was on base three times yesterday.

If he could turn a batted ball into an out, he’d be playing against all the RHP.

by YoDaddyWags on Jul 6, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and his competition for the job has an OPS+ of 78.

by YoDaddyWags on Jul 6, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least the competition can turn a DP.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 6, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So now that the offensive side of your argument has been shot down, you start up on something nobody (not Barnes) disagrees with you on?

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It hasn’t really been shot down. But it looks like O-Cab (or a fill-in from AAA) would be a better play.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 6, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d agree that 82 vs 78 is more of a “wash” than a “shooting down,” right?

by JulioBernazard on Jul 6, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s had 55 plate appearances. His OPS is 838 from the game he won with a three run homer.

He had a miserable first five games. Since then he’s been one of the better hitters on the team.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Jul 6, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

While also looking like he’s never worked the pivot in his life.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 6, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or, in short, just barely worse than OCab.

by Brad D on Jul 6, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So now that the offensive side of your argument has been shot down, you start up on something nobody (not Barnes) disagrees with you on?

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway

by notthatnoise on Jul 6, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re doing it wrong. You keep combining defense into the “defending of his offense” argument. Either he’s hitting just fine, or he isn’t hitting just fine. I think YDWags has established he is hitting just fine. He never claimed he’s been fielding well.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 6, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Asdrubal limping last week, I didn’t see it. However, I have noticed AC moving oddly earlier this season, to the point that in one game I was rather concerned he was hurt—he wasn’t, of course, and my takeaway was that he’s a guy who occasionally walks around like an old athlete, for whatever reason, even if he’s not actually injured. That’s my anecdotal from earlier this year. Entirely possible you saw something more valid.

by afh4 on Jul 6, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure I read something in the PD to the effect that Asdrubal had ice on his knees after a recent game. I can’t find the thing I read, but I know I saw it. Mind you, a lot of players use ice after games for various reasons; doesn’t mean they’re hurting.

by peter m on Jul 6, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe HE’S Grandpabera!

by TribeJay on Jul 6, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hush your mouth.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought Kenny Lofton was missing part of his hip.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Jul 6, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Platooning with Chisenhall for a couple of months while we are trying to win a division is one thing, but continuing to do it any longer than that without allowing him a chance to develop against major league LHP severely lowers his already limited (according to some) ceiling. I hate the idea of platooning with developing players that are supposed to play a large role in the team’s success for awhile into the future.

What can or should be done with Phelps can be debated, but his struggles with the glove do not validate Orlando’s position as a full-time starter on this team. His level of production (both o and d combined) is not acceptable as a full-time starter on a contending team, particularly on a team with so many options at his position.

Calling Phelps up was the right decision at the time, and I’m in the camp that thinks it would be too rash to send him back down so soon, however I wouldn’t be too upset if that’s the decision they make as long as it doesn’t result in the reinstitution of Orlando as full-time starter.

As smart as Acta has shown he is, he still seems a bit too reactionary to the 1-2 game “hot streaks” for my liking. Especially when the hot streaks consist mainly of lucky bounces determined arbitrarily by the baseball gods.

by TKilbane on Jul 6, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

or your perception that Acta is managing that way. I agree with Andrew above, that is comes down to more how the organization views Phelps. I think Kipnis is the long-term answer at 2B, and that they won’t hesitate to move Phelps back and forth if need be.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 6, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with that first part. If “he can’t hit lefties” is a reason to platoon a player, then shouldn’t “he can’t hit anyone” be a reason to bench someone else? Yet others who are doing nothing at the plate still start. Sure there’s nobody better than those players, but we also don’t have a better hitting thirdbaseman than Chisenhall.

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 6, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Asdrubal hadn’t just injured himself, we’d probably send down Phelps for LaPorta.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Haren!

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2011 1:18 AM EDT reply actions  

At least the White Sox and Tigers both lost tonight

by APV on Jul 6, 2011 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I noticed Droobs limping prior to the ankle turn as well. OCab to SS, Phelps down, Valbs up? He has done everything needed for another shot. His triple slash line is superb and he’s been playing every position on the diamond it seems.

by mcrose on Jul 6, 2011 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

What Valbuena is doing this year in the minors isn’t anything special; it’s the same thing he’s been doing in AAA his whole career. (5 years) If he comes back to the bigs and fails again, his rope with the big league club will essentially be over. Not saying I don’t advocate giving him one more shot, but I’d be surprised if it wasn’t Donald.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 6, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Valbuena and LaPorta are our Chris Davises.

by afh4 on Jul 6, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m a little mystified as to what the big deal is. An 899 OPS in Triple-A, at age 25, is not special, and it’s not as good as his numbers in short stints in 2009 and 2010.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valbs is certainly past the “special” moniker, but I’m just comparing him to Donald and pointing out that Valgood shouldn’t be written off. He’s a year younger, with better numbers and a very similar first year in the bigs.

The write off is due to his second year in Cleveland, when he was horrible. Is that his true level? I don’t know, I just think he’s outplaying Donald right now.

by mcrose on Jul 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donald hasn’t even had a first year in the bigs just yet.

I grant you their ages are significant, but I don’t think they are equivalent in defensive value.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Acta doesn’t want to play Phelps because of his defense, I doubt he’ll want to run Valbie back out there.

by YoDaddyWags on Jul 6, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if its short term injury you see Valgood; if its long term you probably see Donald since he can play all 3 positions. I would love to see Kipnis, but I am not sure that is the right move for what is going on injury wise. I also wouldn’t mind see Gomez instead of Talbot after the break. Just my 2 cents. I heard Terry P. on the radio today say since last July 1st of last year he is something like 4 -12 with a 5.86 ERA. Not good.

by johio1 on Jul 6, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s somewhat amusing that Phelps has the highest WPA for this game. Amusing in a stab yourself in the eye with a screwdriver sort of way.

by callmrplow on Jul 6, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Shortcoming of WPA has always been the lack of defense integrated.

by afh4 on Jul 6, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am very much in favor of Donald over Valbuena.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 6, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Normally I’d say yeah, but I’ve been watching quite a bit of the Clips games, and Valbie has been outplaying Donald, at the plate and in the field.

by mcrose on Jul 6, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want the guy who has performed at a respectable level in the bigs.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 6, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They both have had “respectable” ML stretches, altho Valgood certainly crapped out in Cleveland last year.

What can I say? They’re on the same team, and I think he’s playing better than Donald right now in pretty much similar roles.

by mcrose on Jul 6, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a nice evening at the ballpark – except for the missed DP and the Yankees fans.
Reminded me of the Steelers game last year.

From my right field angle, it looked like Brantley should have caught that ball that O. Cabrera dropped over his shoulder. Who should have made that play?

Ketchup Hotdog has a shirt that reads: 3000th win.

by tribe71 on Jul 6, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought on TV it looked like Brantley should have gotten there. OC was clearly looking for help. Everything about Brantley has looked lackadaisical to me as of late.

by ahowie on Jul 6, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I yelled “Brantley, that’s yours!” at the laptop screen, fwiw.

by mcrose on Jul 6, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I let out a hearty fist pump when CarCar got that DP ball. Such a letdown.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason, Chrome is making this post and subsequent comments disappear.

Everything else is the same, except this.

by emd2k3 on Jul 6, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m using Chrome and I see this just fine.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just something funky with my system, then.

by emd2k3 on Jul 6, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, if Orlando Cabrera is going to have a .280 OBP, then we might as well trot Valbuena out there and let him try to do better. Or if Donald is healthy, get him up already!

In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).

by V-Mart Shopper on Jul 6, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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