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Game 86: Indians 5, Blue Jays 4

ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO PRONK

This was a frustrating evening of baseball. Until the bottom of the ninth.

Zach McAllister, who was making his major-league debut, struggled to stay in the strike zone, and was pulled after four innings. Toronto didn't tee off on him, but every inning was an ordeal for McAllister. In three of his four innings, he had to throw at least 20 pitches. Zach's fastball was sitting in the low-90s, but the key was his inability to get either swings and misses or called strikes on his cutter; of the 20 he threw, only 9 were thrown for strikes. He had to deal with a tiny strike zone, though, and to his credit, never allowed the game to get away. He retired Scary Monster Jose Bautista with the bases loaded to end the fourth; if he makes a mistake there, then the ninth inning comeback can't happen. He was sent down after the game, as Fausto Carmona is likely to return after the All-Star Break without missing another start.

Carlos Villanueva, Toronto's starter was likewise a control pitcher, and also had problems overcoming the strike zone. But he held the Indians scoreless through six innings, stranding a small village on the bases. The Indians left the bases loaded in the first, and a runner in scoring position in five out of the first six innings.

Lonnie Chisenhall had to leave the game in the second inning after getting hit in the helmet and face with a pitch. The initial examination did not reveal signs of a concussion, but Chisenhall had a significant bruise under his eye.

The game remained 3-0 until the top of the ninth, when Jose Bautista absolutely crushed a Tony Sipp offering for his 29th home run of the season. Sipp's really struggled of late, giving up runs (all home runs) in three of his last four appearances. Thankfully the Bautista blast was just a solo shot.

Toronto closer Frank Francisco was brought in to pitch the ninth, but he allowed the first three to reach, and Toronto manager John Farrell pulled him in favor of southpaw Luis Perez with two of the next three batters left-handed. Perez struck out Brantley, but Asdrubal Cabrera singled driving home the first run of the game. Travis Hafner came to the plate looking for a high sinker, and got it with the first pitch of the at-bat. He didn't miss it, giving the Indians their second walk-off grand slam of the season.

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via www.fangraphs.com

 

Highest WPA Lowest WPA
Pronk .818 O. Cabrera -.208
Hannahan .092 McAllister -.143
Santana .061 Sizemore -.109

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I CAN’T BELIEVE I MISSED THIS AMAZING COMEBACK. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

but i’m happy :)

by emily522 on Jul 7, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw the score was 5-4 and was like WAIT. WHAT. Because when I checked it was 3-0 top of the 9th.

by emily522 on Jul 7, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here. Battling with centipedes, etc.

My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 7, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed it too. I have not been this mad at myself about missing a sports moment in quite a long time.

I got text when the bases were loaded, obviously a bit delayed. Then my facebook and twitter feeds exploded long before I had a chance to turn it on.

Caught the replays on Sports Center, but it’s not the same. It’s bitter sweet, I’m extremely happy for the Tribe and everyone that got to see, but man, I’m mad at myself for missing it.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Jul 7, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep :-(

My watch is broken... it's stuck on Tribe Time
#suckitLaw

by Turkmenbashi on Jul 7, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same. I had a good excuse though. My sister’s going back to California tomorrow, and I won’t see her until Christmas.

by emily522 on Jul 7, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get tough. This is baseball.

by gte619n on Jul 8, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah what he said..

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a comment that deserves reccing.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Jul 7, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great photo

Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute

by mjschaefer on Jul 7, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Dumb. I went upstairs halfway through the 9th and only came down when I heard Hamilton screaming about something. Expected a close score, not a 5-4 Hafner walkoff jack! (I made some popcorn, rewound to the spot I left off, and rewatched) Best part was the immediate fist pump.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 7, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

A link to Hammy would be much appreciated

by Roger Dorn on Jul 7, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Very much appreciated!

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on Jul 7, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In return, I ask that someone explain the Swiss Family Robinson (I haven’t read the book) and what it had to do with our baserunners.

"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.

by Matt Y. on Jul 8, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing that it has to do with being stranded, as The Swiss Family Robinson is about a family shipwrecked on a Pacific island.

by Ryan on Jul 8, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

by afh4 on Jul 8, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Does everyone know about this page with Hammy calls synced with the video?

by FranklinScott on Jul 7, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Added both the STO feed and the Hammy feed to the LGT Facebook page. MLB.com doesn’t allow embeds yet, but allows sharing on Facebook.

by Ryan on Jul 7, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet! Thank you VERY much for this!

--
Wahoo Baseball, baby!

by vbc3 on Jul 8, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do now. Thanks.

by Brad D on Jul 8, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sent this one to people I didn’t even know.

Being a smart-ass is vastly preferable to the alternative

by stuart dean on Jul 9, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did he pause the feed to have a discussion about how Jeter didn’t get to 3k yet?

by callmrplow on Jul 8, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you know that he’s with Leila Garrity (Minka Kelly)? My level of loathing/respect for Jeter hit epic new levels after my girl let me in on that tidbit last night.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Minka Kelly is mighty attractive and all that, but I was not really a fan at all of her FNL character.

by ahowie on Jul 8, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta be one of the highest WPAs you can get for a hitter, no?

by supermarioelia on Jul 7, 2011 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess the only improvement could be if there were two outs.

by FranklinScott on Jul 7, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if you came to the plate 5 times during a game, all 5 times with two outs, the bases loaded, and your team losing by 3, and you gave your team the lead each time with 5 grand slams?

"By being the manager and just playing whoever I want." - Acta on how he would choose to split playing time between Kearns and Buck.

by Matt Y. on Jul 8, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was assuming one plate appearance.

by FranklinScott on Jul 8, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about that as well, on the way home from the game. This would have to be the second highest possible for one at-bat, with the only possible improvement being that there were 2 outs. Although, I suppose that a grand slam with two outs but only down two runs might be higher than being down three runs with only one out. Either way, it’s one of the highest possible and will probably end up being the highest single WPA at-bat this year.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hafner’s slam was worth .807 WPA according to the FanGraphs game log.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could argue that one swing is worth about $3 million, based on the market value of marginal wins.

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I was right. Kearns did earn his salary for the year the other night. And more. Thanks for the confirmation.

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jul 8, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a gross number – you have to net out all Kearns’ prior entropy

Being a smart-ass beats the alternative

by stuart dean on Jul 8, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not, I was just actually thinking the same thing. Sure put a big dent into the negative, though.

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jul 8, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How far in the negative was Kearns’ WAR at the time?

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, those are two different measures. But even after the HR, both Kearns’ WPA and offensive WAR are still negative. His value depends on whose fielding metrics you prefer.

by 7foot3 on Jul 8, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was a game I wish I hadn’t listened to for the first 8 innings…not even sure why I kept listening. My wife was laughing at all my grimaces, groans, and head slaps. But, man, IT. WAS. WORTH. IT!

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 7, 2011 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Today’s victory music: 3s and 7s. Because we needed 7 (or 5) before 3 outs. I love baseball superstition.

What if...

by Danieldelamaiz on Jul 7, 2011 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

sweet

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 8, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is a game I would’ve let my wife change the channel, except I was sitting in section 179. Epic finish.

by jds16 on Jul 8, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome debut by McAllister, huh?

/whocareswewon!

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I wish we had a second start for him before he went back down, though I suppose a recall after the break is very likely. I liked what I saw if he could throw strikes.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Jul 8, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome? No. But I actually thought he pitched pretty well. Couple errors, really unlucky on BABIP and a tough if not impossible strike zone to deal with.

by Ryan Kelsey on Jul 8, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The strike zone situation tonight was intolerable – no hitter should be up there guessing where an ump’s strike zone is from pitch to pitch. Hitting in the major leagues is tough enough without adding another variable.

A material number of veteran pitchers would have been less composed than McAllister if faced with the same challenges.

If you squint just right....you can sometimes see the ghost of Andy Marte...playing dominoes in the dugout.

by Seattle Tribe Fan on Jul 8, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No pitcher should have to deal with it either. The strike zone probably cost McAllister a full inning of work in having to throw extra pitches after he had guys struck out.

@grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff

by woodsmeister on Jul 8, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m being sarcastic. He looked like he was going to vomit when he airmailed the throw to first base, but given the ump, he did quite well.

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT, notes:

-Nick Johnson aggravated his wrist in C-Bus and went on the DL.
-LGFT Jayson Nix cleared waivers in Toronto and was assigned to their AAA team.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Jul 8, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

-Nick Johnson aggravated his wrist in C-Bus and went on the DL.

Sigh.

by Ryan on Jul 8, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing we’ve got Valbuena coming up!

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone on my twitter timeline (one of the BP writers, I think) commented that of course Webb and Nick Johnson were hurt, since Rich Harden is currently not on the DL. There can be only one.

by ameliorate on Jul 8, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How many walk-offs does that make?
Santana’s slam
Orlando’s single with bases loaded
Hafner’s 2 run bomb
Brantley’s walk
Hafner’s slam
Cord’s extra inning shot

I know I’m forgetting some.

What if...

by Danieldelamaiz on Jul 8, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Hoynsie says no signs of a concussion on Chisenhall

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m really enjoying July thus far.

by themadlibs on Jul 8, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huzzah!!!!!

by talonk on Jul 8, 2011 1:26 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Just got back from Cleveland — what a game!! OK, so it was a pretty crappy game for the first 8 innings; McAllister wasn’t too bad but the defense was terrible behind him and the offense kept wasting opportunities (mostly Orlando — I think he ended 4 rallies all by himself today). But what a way to end it! When we got the bases loaded, I was just hoping that we’d give Hafner a chance to hit in the inning. I was worried that the home run by Bautista might really come back to bite us (and that ball was killed, by the way, the outfielders didn’t even bother to turn around and look at the ball) but Pronk made sure that it didn’t matter.

Not a good showing by the fans, though. There were less than 19,000 at the game — for a first place team on a beautiful night in July — and about 1/3 of them left after the 8th inning. Sucks to be them right now. That is why you always stay until the end of a baseball game; you never know what is going to happen.

Overall, an awesome night at the game! And our tickets were half price because I got the social media discount for retweeting about the game. We got mezzanine tickets for only $10.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, I heard on WTAM on the way home that Frank Francisco asked reporters after the game if they wanted to talk to him and, after the started approaching him, started cussing at them and told them to stop bothering him. Class act.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is why you always stay until the end of a baseball game; you never know what is going to happen.

This happened during a Clemson vs. South Carolina baseball game. My friends and I all stayed, but a bunch of people left. Clemson scored like 5 runs in the 8th inning to win.

by emily522 on Jul 8, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I tell anyone I’m attending a game with, only al Qaeda members leave baseball games early.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^legit laugh out loud. Someone said something similar as I was leaving a Browns game in NY.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used Socialists in a different decade.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The bums never win, Lebowski!

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just tuned into ESPN to see the Tribe leadoff Sportscenter, caught the top few of the Top 10, and Hafner was #2. I was furious until I saw #1 … holy crap. Off topic, but in international soccer, Mexico/Germany, Mexico scored on a bicycle kick in the 89th minute off of a corner kick to win. That’s like back to back grand slams in the 9th to win it. If there are other soccer fans on here, make sure you catch the highlight, it’s spectacular, even if it is Mexico.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Jul 8, 2011 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The reigning Top Play for the past few days has been a Portland Timbers (MLS) player with an amazing goal as well. Soccer has had some fun plays recently to watch,

by talonk on Jul 8, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that came after scoring a goal while getting a head injury earlier in the game.

by Matt in LA on Jul 8, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to mention this. His head was completely wrapped. Incredible.

by ahowie on Jul 8, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a fantastic finish. Nothing beats a Tom Hamilton home run call. I was ready to sprint through the streets of Cleveland.

by Brad D on Jul 8, 2011 2:20 AM EDT reply actions  

if you’d like a quick best of Hammy 2011 recap:

https://twitter.com/mikecp/status/89228304145596416

by MikeCP on Jul 8, 2011 3:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, I hope you guys liked watching our closer implode..

Then watching our rookie manager making a mistake by putting a rookie pitcher in with the bases loaded.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 4:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Very well then.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our radio guys were pretty incredulous that they put him in such a situation. Especially since he had zero experience closing games out in the minors. I guess his performance against lefties was too tempting for Farrell not to take a chance.

by Toxicadam on Jul 8, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand its a high-pressure situation, but if you’re on the major league roster, you have to be expected to get major league hitters out. He was the last lefty in the pen and there were two lefties coming up. I think its the move to make.

by 7foot3 on Jul 8, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hes played probably barely a month in the Majors, there were far better options in the pen including, Jon Rauch, Shawn Camp, Octavio Dotel (not so much against leftys).

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Camp and Dotel get killed by lefties and Rauch has a platoon split as well. If you’re worried about Brantley and Hafner in that situation (and Asdrubal hits righties better, as well), going with the lefty makes sense.

by callmrplow on Jul 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he can’t get major league lefties out, then he shouldn’t be in a major league bullpen. You can’t afford to hold these guys’ hands at this stage.

by 7foot3 on Jul 8, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This sounds like “it would be nice if it were true” logic.

"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl

by world dictator on Jul 9, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing I will say for the ghosts of Cleveland Managers past; they stick to their guns long after its justified. It may be aggravating for the fans, but at least they get a long rope. (Martay excluded) Yanking your closer that quickly and then sliding a guy with zero experience in the 9th into a loaded situation is not going to do the kid any favors…..I was shocked it wasn’t Rauch coming in, handedness included.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d go with the unknown over most of your bullpen, wouldn’t you?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 8, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I would’ve rather seen Camp or Rauch in there, or they could’ve just kept Frasor in, seeing that he was pitching well, and bringing in Francisco was pointless because it wasn’t a save situation anyways.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

A) Who cares if it was a save situation?

B) Rauch. Ha.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 8, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t. I enjoyed listening to it.

by Brad D on Jul 8, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait! Are you applying the correct Boston Multiplier? Every time Youkilis gets hit, you have to add .25 to the sum total of all Boston hit batters.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Jul 8, 2011 7:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

lets see... carry the 4... cross multiply by the hypotenuese...

In this case it doesn’t apply because I’m counting batters who have been hit by at least one pitch, not the total number of HBPs. But the phrasing is confusing because in team history the Indians have had 4,057 hit batters, but they’ve only had 600 batters get plunked.

I had noticed that red sox fans seem to think Youkilis has gotten hit by more pitches than anyone in the history of the universe, but I hadn’t realized there was a specific multiplier for it. I’ll need to study this further. And Youkilis has never even gotten half way to the Red Sox single season record.

by plunkeveryone on Jul 8, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The difference: Ryan Garko.

by gte619n on Jul 8, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes. and a couple of Shoppach years.

Actually Hafner is 6 behind Nap Lajoie for the Indians career record.
Nap Lajoie – 79
Hafner – 73
Joe Sewell – 67
Grady Sizemore – 65
Bill Bradley – 65

by plunkeveryone on Jul 8, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting to see Grady on that list. I know he crowds the plate, but I wouldn’t expect him to be THAT high.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hafner had one against the Yankees the other day where he didn’t even try to move. Let it hit him in his massive elbow pad.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 8, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, Chisenhall did the same thing. Wonder where he learned it…..I guess he missed the part of the discussion where Hafner told him to let it hit him in the arm.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Double extra funny from the ‘Roger Dorn’ avatar that we’re having this discussion.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your stat was clear – my joke wasn’t. It’s meant to say that everytime Youkilis gets hit, the action continues on to hit another Red Sox batter (sort of like the “magic bullet”). So, even though Willie Mo Pena may not have a HBP as a Red Sock, he has the potential of being hit through Youkilis.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Jul 8, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But he probably should have gotten out of the way of that one and tried to find a better pitch to get hit by.

-Priceless

Being a smart-ass beats the alternative

by stuart dean on Jul 8, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drove back from Cleveland for most of the day. Played with Sam during the 6th and 7th and put him to bed during the 8th. Watched the 9th live with my wife. Lucky timing, pretty great way to end the day.

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 7:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I was sleeping, as I always am when all this exciting stuff happens. But reading the LGT game thread and listening to Hammy’s call thanks to a link posted on here was a pretty great way to start my day, this morning.

My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

by Ockus_NYC on Jul 8, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was watching the game, then turned the TV over to my wife with the score 3-0. Later, I went to bed, and turned on the TV exactly at the moment that Pronk hit the slam. My first thought was, “are they showing past highlights? The game must be over.” Then I realized it was real-time and let out a huge ’YESSSS!!!".

by kennesawmountainwahoo on Jul 8, 2011 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Really satisfying to turn on the game and no more than 5 minutes later see a walk off grand slam. I’m down for that whenever the Indians want to do it again.

Lou Marson fan.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 8, 2011 7:46 AM EDT reply actions  

That win probability graph reminds of back when we had Kerry Wood.

Trombone/creamy/soda.

by Joel D on Jul 8, 2011 7:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No one exploded a WPA graph like the one, the only, Joe Borowski.

by gte619n on Jul 8, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hafner had not turned on a ball since he came back into the starting lineup, so I was just hoping he’d keep his hands inside the ball and bloop one in somewhere. And then he completely sells out and goes for the bomb. Wow!

I didn’t see all of McAllister’s outing due to a brief thunderstorm that interrupted my satellite feed. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought his velocity was pretty good in the first inning, but then it dropped off to 89-90 for most of the rest of his outing. Maybe he was so amped that when the first inning was over, he didn’t have his full strength?

Ryan, I agree, his offspeed pitch (I thought it was a slider) was not impressive. Hitters will usually tell you how good a breaking pitch you have, and for the most part, the Blue Jay hitters didn’t even sniff at those, telling you that either they could see it out of his hand or it didn’t have a very sharp break. Maybe it plays up if he gets ahead in the count more, but it wasn’t good last night. It was only his first start though, it’s tough to make definitive conclusions based on that.

by TribeJay on Jul 8, 2011 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

It was a 400-foot flyout.

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Angels call up Mike Trout

Lou Marson fan.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 8, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow! He is what 19 or 20 right?

by Roger Dorn on Jul 8, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

19, straight from AA.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 8, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s gonna be a circus.

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

with fish tacos!

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I JUST GOT THIS. rec.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 8, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

woah what

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 8, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trout’s minor league line across three seasons: .338/.423/.503.
This season at AA (doesn’t turn 20 till next month): .324/.415/.534, 32 XBHs, 28 SBs.
That kid, and that Bryce Harper fellow, might turn out to be something.

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about the way the bullpen (other than Sipp) showed out last night?

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually like a couple of the arms from your guys bullpen, specifically Sipp and Raffy Perez, I think those two will have bright futures, especially Sipp, being what, a 45th round draft pick, talk about a steal?

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raffy Perez is something of a conundrum for us; he’s enjoyed success in some years, but doesn’t seem to ever exhibit the “stuff” that a shutdown reliever has. He had one full great season (I think it was 07’) but it appears he’s getting by with a + slider and chicken bones at this juncture. Vinnie Pestano, Tony Sipp, and Chris Perez are the current lynchpins of this years bullpen.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pestano and Sipp have scuffled lately.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. That bullpen is a mess if they don’t have their stuff together…..Makes your setup guy Joe Smiff and …… /crickets

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bear in mind, though, that the bullpen produced five innings of one-run ball. Sipp has been struggling, for sure, but if the bullpen can scuffle and still keep the team in the game, things aren’t so bad.

by peter m on Jul 8, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Sipp gave up a home run to Jose Bautista. It happens. Before that, Joey Votto… also happens. Wily Mo Pena… I mean, I guess it happens occasionally.

by gte619n on Jul 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone in the league has now given up a homer to Bautista. It doesn’t bother me that Sipp couldn’t do the job on him, but the trend is a little troubling.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 8, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Wily Mo Pena in A ball and really thought he was going to be something. This is why I am not a scout.

by Brad D on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He made it to the majors, playing in all or parts of 8 seasons, and has hit 82 homers. A lot more than most A-ball kids. Don’t sell yourself short.

by YoDaddyWags on Jul 8, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herrmann’s coming on, and Smith has been spectacular.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lost in that win, holy crap how insane is Jose Bautista?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 8, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mega King Kong [redacted] Insane. That guy is absolutely terrifying.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine the media frenzy about him if he played in New York or Boston,

@grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff

by woodsmeister on Jul 8, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. He’s be 44 homers shy of 73.

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

actually, in those 2 parks, he’d be more like 24 shy.

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 8, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Easily, hes had plenty of long flyouts this year, which would’ve easily been homeruns at those two softball fields.

"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rogers Centre is a pretty extreme HR park, as well.

by callmrplow on Jul 12, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is even more true for this subject than for most we rail on them for. Bautista is having a monster year and basically being ignored by the national media.

by Brad D on Jul 8, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about that — I’ve read and heard quite a bit about Bautista. Joe Posnanski just had an article about him in SI. And he’s always mentioned when people talk about the best hitters in baseball and a leading MVP candidate.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get my information almost solely from talk radio. On ESPN at night, he’s mostly an afterthought to Jeter and whatever Jose Reyes is doing. Posnanski’s article was, I thought, more about how it has become difficult to buy into Bautista type stories than it was an ode to the man himself.

by Brad D on Jul 8, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I don’t listen to talk radio very much, except for good shows like Scott Van Pelt, so I don’t know what they’re talking about.

Also, Jeter is obviously a big story now but all that will die down when he hits 3000 just like with any other player who is approaching a big milestone. I know it’s fashionable to make fun of all the Jeter coverage now but that’s only been the past few days as he’s come off the DL and is approaching 3000 hits; it’s not like he’s been the talk of baseball all year long. Stories like that, and Jose Reyes, come and go throughout the season just like they do every year.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

As of right now, he is the best hitter in baseball and is absolutely the AL MVP.

by ahowie on Jul 8, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s the runner up to AstroCab on my ballot.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He received the most All-Star votes in history this summer, so I’d say word is out now.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, yeah. I think that’s a pretty good indication.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 8, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I hadn’t heard it was the most ever, just the most this year.

by ahowie on Jul 8, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is also a reflection of the move towards online voting. More votes were cast this year, period, than any other year.

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s all those Canadians stuffing the online ballots for Bautista, just like the Chinese always did for Yao.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for coming by!

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m really rooting for the White Sox to fall apart the next fews weeks. If they slide back into the 8-10 GB range, it could convince their GM to blow it up by the trade deadline.

Not that the White Sox team really worries me (especially that craptacular bullpen), but having one less team to worry about would be nice.

by Toxicadam on Jul 8, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

It would be nice to get a strong outing from Talbot tonight

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I was just thinking that — the bullpen got used pretty heavily last night and both lefties had to throw quite a few pitches. Six or seven innings would be what the doctor ordered, I think — then Smith/Pestano/Perez, if it’s close.

by peter m on Jul 8, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even a decent one.

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed – I would take him finding half a nut

Being a smart-ass beats the alternative

by stuart dean on Jul 8, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re going to take 3 out of 4, it would be great if we can steal one while he’s pitching.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 8, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feller’s up there working on making sure your pact comes to fruition.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, you have great timing!

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jul 8, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I thought I picked a great game to attend on Wednesday!

Actually, mine was the better game, just not the better ending. Although I did get to watch Perez’s hair flowing in the wind as he jogged in from the bullpen.

by Jay on Jul 8, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a bit surprised with the small strike zone comments…again, keep in mind that I didn’t see a ton of the first half of the game, but in the last half of the game DeMuth had a HUGE strike zone. He was giving a couple inches off the outside corner regularly.

by TribeJay on Jul 8, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

The first inning made a strong impression, with the two starters combining for something like 55 pitches.

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both starters were really getting squeezed in the first inning, particularly with inside pitches. At least that’s I saw it.

by Ryan on Jul 8, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The strike zone was postage stamp sized at the beginning of the game and then got progressively wider, higher and deeper as the game went on. By the sixth inning, the strike zone was floating like a dirigible and only Dana DeMuth had any real idea what the strike zone was and the batters from both teams started barking.

It was a particularly shameful display of home plate umpiring.

@grantgw - sports and Cleveland and Columbus stuff

by woodsmeister on Jul 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen Travis Hafner show up an umpire like he did in that 2nd to last AB….he barked at him immediately, then walked away continuing to growl. Umpire didn’t even move, he knew that call for the pitch that that ran off the plate laughably bad.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I genuinely feared for my own life from the wrath of Pronk. And I’m 6-7 hours away.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Jul 8, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inspiring game, inspiring thread. It’s times like these that LGT feels like family.
#sappy

by cleveland teamer on Jul 8, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we should trade for Bautista. We need a right-handed power-hitting right fielder, right?

by tr1betime on Jul 8, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Let me just go water the money tree in the back…

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Jul 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the guys on ESPN Radio was suggesting we move Huff and parts for Matt Kemp.

by Brad D on Jul 8, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes lets trade Zeke Carerra and a season pass to cedar point for Beltran and WORLD SERIEZ

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

READ THIS SHAMPRIZO!

by gte619n on Jul 8, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

why don’t we go ahead and send Weglarz away for Kershaw while we’re at it…

"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady

by westbrook on Jul 8, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all honesty, this is a fantastic idea. I’m just not sure it’ll be enough.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 8, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Dodgers are under MLB control and probably have little flexibility to make trades

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not true, but they’re certainly not going to be dumping salaries for the sake of saving a buck.

by YoDaddyWags on Jul 9, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t REALLY think it was a fantastic idea.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 9, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Invoking the Stepien clause?

Being a smart-ass is vastly preferable to the alternative

by stuart dean on Jul 9, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched this entire game from start to finish (minus a 5 minute foray into Kid’s Jeopardy). My girlfriend fell asleep twice during the game but I just kept watching. I love the baseball.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Jul 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh, OCabrera is batting 5th tonight. I like Acta but I don’t understand his affection for such a terrible hitter.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

The lineup should be as different as possible from JoJo’s CG last time he faced the Tribe.

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unreal.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Jul 8, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand his affection for such a terrible hitter baseball player.

Tweaked – He has no range anymore either

Being a smart-ass is preferable to the alternative

by stuart dean on Jul 8, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct, but I was thinking more in terms of his place in the lineup.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s not pretend like OC has not been fairly hot in the offensive department the past couple weeks.

by ahowie on Jul 8, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two weeks of hot play don’t mean that he’s not still a terrible hitter. And he ended 4 rallies by himself last night so any hot streak he’s had seems to be over.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

brantley
a. cabrera
hafner
duncan
o. cabrera
laporta
kearns
hannahan
marson

Great.
I’m going to the game tonight. guess I shouldn’t expect to see many runs.

by tr1betime on Jul 8, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Talbot’s pitching…

by peter m on Jul 8, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Baseball is a crazy sport. The indians could win a 13-0 laugher.

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaPorta’s 3 HRs might all be solo shots.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jul 8, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. I am extremely surprised in reading the game thread and hearing people say that this wasn’t a good call by Hammy. Some even indicated they thought he hesitated too long.

Guys, the ball touched the moon. Watch the replay synched to Hammy’s call. He’s essentially waiting for the ball to come down, and still finishes off his call before the ball has landed. You rarely see that.

We are fortunate to have a strong radio voice to strengthen these moments. I grew up with the best of all time in basketball with Joe Tait, and Nev Chandler was special. Hammy is perhaps a notch below, but he nails the moment. And he nailed this one.

by tabler84 on Jul 8, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, I thought Hammy’s call was great when I heard it on the replays when I got home.

by Buckeye Brad on Jul 8, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.

by USSChoo on Jul 8, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting the video synced to HamBone?

by JulioBernazard on Jul 8, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hambone! What about Quaxelrod?

Lou Marson fan.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 8, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Courtesy of Franklin Scott on the game summary comments – see here. It’s so good that I sent it to some people that I didn’t even know…

Being a smart-ass is vastly preferable to the alternative

by stuart dean on Jul 9, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must have skimmed, but I thought most people liked the call.

by Roger Dorn on Jul 8, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, also, was confused by the hesitation comments. If anything he paused so as not to swallow his own spit.

by APV on Jul 8, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured he was pausing to let the crowd noise speak for him.

by ameliorate on Jul 8, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this live at a bar with me and like four other friends. We all went nuts. Then I stayed up after I got back to watch it on Sportscenter a couple times. Then I saw it a couple other times throughout the day. Then I watched the entire 9th inning during the STO replay this afternoon.

by ahowie on Jul 8, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

doesn’t edwin encarnacion like really suck?

Lou Marson fan.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 8, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Hes a very streaky hitter, but when he is hot…believe me..he is HOT.

"Ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson

by Joseph Kirby on Jul 13, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf talbot

Lou Marson fan.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 8, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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