Game 118: White Sox 8, Indians 7 (14 Innings)
by Ryan on Aug 17, 2011 1:43 AM EDT
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On the one hand, the Indians shouldn't have even been in this game, with Ubaldo Jimenez not even going five innings and with White Sox constantly on the bases all night long. But on the other hand, the umpiring was just so, so horrible and the game went so many innings that this loss makes me feel like punching something.
Where to start with this mess? I guess the best place is the beginning. Ubaldo in many ways gave a repeat performance of his Indians debut. He couldn't find the plate, threw a bunch of pitches (with an assist to shoddy defense), and gave up less runs than he should have, which kept the Indians in the game. He was pulled in the fifth, and so the Indians bullpen would have to go most of the rest of the way.
But the Indians managed to keep pace with the White Sox, even though they had far FEWER opportunities to score. And one thanks to a completely inexplicable blown call. After Gavin Floyd struck out seven of the first nine Indians he faced, he drilled Michael Brantley on the foot to begin the fourth inning. Shin-Soo Choo then pulled a ball down the left field line, which would normally be a double. But Brantley ran into Alexei Ramirez rounding second and fell down, and although he would make to third, Choo had to remain at first. Manny Acta came out to argue that Choo should be awarded second due to the base line interference, but for whatever reason (none of the four umpires saw Brantley collide with Ramirez, none saw Choo slam on the brakes after seeing the collision, general incompetence, etc) the umpires did not send Choo to second. The Indians would score a run in the inning with a sacrifice fly, but thanks to a double play, the inning was over quickly. We won't know what would have happened had Choo been awarded second, but at the very least Floyd would have had to throw more pitches and face one more batter.
Juan Pierre of all people homered the next inning to give Chicago a 3-1 lead, but the Indians would tally a run of their own in the next inning to get the deficit back down to one. The teams would continue to score runs over the next couple innings, so that the game was tied going into the bottom of the sixth. Brent Morel led off the inning with a double, and after he was sacrificed to third, Alejandro De Aza chopped a ball over the drawn-in Carlos Santana's head and down the left line (according to first base umpire Wally Bell). Morel scored, and De Aza was ruled safe at third for his second triple of the evening. De Aza would score on Paul Konerko's single to give Chicago a 7-5 lead. I think De Aza should have been out at third, but then again, what do I know?
I do know that Laz Diaz is a terrible home plate umpire, and has been for a long time. He took things to a higher level this evening though, making at least 8-10 completely inexplicable ball/strike calls. And I'm probably underestimating, because after a while all that awfulness tends to blend together.
Anyway, the Indians came back to tie the game late, and the contest went into extra innings. In the 10th inning, Wally Bell blew a call at first, and Tony Sipp, after being removed from the game, was tossed after arguing the call. Chris Perez got out of the inning, and would start the 11th as well. He gave up a leadoff triple to Alex Rios (the fifth Chicago triple of the game), but got out of the inning thanks to Brent Lillabridge's blunder. With runners on first and third, Tyler Flowers hit a line drive right at Jack Hannahan. Hannahan first checked third base, then saw that Lillabridge was already two-thirds of the way to second. He then threw to first to easily turn the double play.
Chad Durbin entered the game in the 12th, and did rather well, until he ran into trouble in his third inning of work. Gordon Beckham doubled with one out, and he went to third on an infield single. David Huff, who started Sunday's non-game, was brought in to try to get out of the jam, but Juan Pierre ended this crazy, excruciating game with a single.
| Highest WPA | Lowest WPA | ||
| C. Perez | .360 | Jimenez | -.294 |
| Brantley | .231 | Herrmann | -.192 |
| Hannahan | .198 | Fukudome | -.182 |
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That FanGraph doubles as a graph of the stock market for the last couple weeks.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
Went to the game. It had a bit of everything. Couldn’t see the close plays from our nosebleeds but Sipp was definitely pretty fired up. Lucky to survive the man on 3rd nobody out. Choo’s AB w bases loaded was a killer. Could you hear the crowd yelling “Ahhhhhhhhh” during the windup and “CHOO” when he swang? By then we had moved to row 10 in the 100 level.
Ubaldo looked average. Got hit very hard. Surpring number of triples in the right field alley which does not appear to be that deep. Choo’s throw from practically the warning track to 3rd was very impressive.
Lots of Tribe fans around, especially towards the end. We all just shrugged at the conclusion. Tough loss. The rest of the series should be interesting w all the bullpen arms getting work tonight.
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by PortlandVinny on Aug 17, 2011 3:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It always feels silly to complain about umpiring – I mean, we could start with Droobs’ error and then Fukudome’s drop (not an error! Errors are hurtful!) leading to runs and extra pitches – but wow.
I’ll go ahead and choose my favorite ump mistake as one of the less obviously egregious: the Hafner “check-swing” strike to make it 0-2 after we had just tied it in the ninth. Travis was coming off two big hits, we had their closer on the ropes. 1-1 and 0-2 are worlds apart in that spot. And while check swings are difficult to discern in real time, it never looked close to a swing. But hey, Laz Diaz just wasn’t sure, so asked for help. Normally, you’d have to think any time Laz gives up control, it’s a positive. Not this time.
But then, a colleague watched the game (Tigers fan) and said this morning, “I’ve never seen a play like that collision with your baserunner and the shortstop. I thought they were going to give the runner home plate. It never occurred to me that four umps didn’t see the shortstop basically trip the guy, and then the batter stop running as a result.” So, I suppose that was worse. Maybe.
Really bad call on the interference. I wonder if MLB will come out with a clarification. Think about it: when you have a guy on first and a batter hits a clear extra base hit, the SS should pancake the runner everytime.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Aug 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought the number of dirty plays would go down with AJ Pyrzdouchey on the DL. I was wrong.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
future
For a team like Cleveland that spends only a fraction of some other teams, the fans are conditioned to think the team is improving and great players are on the way. The Jiminez trade has put that to death. The Indians have ruined themselves in two ways. They picked up a middle of the rotation starter who won’t help them now and they destroyed the hope the loyal fanbase had for better things to come. Good work!
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by Ryan on Aug 17, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
So, after three starts for the Indians, you can tell that the guy is a stiff, nevermind his track record elsewhere, and that he will not help the team at all in the remaining two+ years he is under team control. What else do you see in your crystal ball?
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by woodsmeister on Aug 17, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I still have hope. Same team next year, plus health and an active free agency period.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Aug 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
And I guarantee had one of our division rivals traded for Jimenez, you’d be on the bandwagon full of dopes decrying the FO’s unwillingness to part with prospects for “proven talent.” My god, people like you are tiresome. Not a good first impression.
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by Turkmenbashi on Aug 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
PPAOF.
(Pitching Prospects Are Over-Fetishized)
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
While I don’t share in the doomsday prophecy, I do understand the disappointment.
We can leave Pomeranz out of this. Who has better control, White or Jimenez? Who throws harder? Who could we control longer? Who is more affordable?
(On the other hand, who endured an ominous recent injury?)
Is Ubaldo a better pitcher today than Carlos Carrasco? Honest question.
I think that, given what we know now, at least some of the vote in favor of the trade will have shifted.
Is Ubaldo a better pitcher today than Carlos Carrasco?
Is this even close?
by Roger Dorn on Aug 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I should’ve just handled this “debate” as Mr. Dorn did.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Who has better control, White or Jimenez? Who throws harder? Who could we control longer? Who is more affordable?
This. Is.
Is Ubaldo a better pitcher today than Carlos Carrasco? Honest question.
Really. Stupid.
Lou Marson fan. Jason Donald advocate.
by Gradyforpresident on Aug 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nicely done. This line of questioning is disingenuous at best, idiotic at worst.
Formerly fwembt, now co-moderator of Banners on the Parkway
It’s hard to know without knowing you personally.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still in favor of the trade from the proven talent angle, but I think it’s disingenuous to fault fans for being disappointed in Ubaldo’s performance, thus far. Two implosions in 3 starts, during a crucial stretch of games, sucks.
I dont fault folks for complaining about Santana/Choo’s slow start, or Hafner’s recent struggles, or Carrasco’s inability to stop being Carlos Carrasco.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Aug 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sleep rejuvenated me apparently.
Lou Marson fan. Jason Donald advocate.
by Gradyforpresident on Aug 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is Ubaldo a better pitcher today than Carlos Carrasco?
Ubie 2011 ERA+ 99
CarCar 2011 ERA+ 84
Ubie caeer ERA+ 127
CarCar career ERA+ 80
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
White or Jimenez… Who throws harder?
Ubie 2011 K/9: 8.7
White 2011 K/9: 6.1 (SSS, of course)
Ubie career K/9: 8.2
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, hadn’t changed the B-Ref “Compare” page to White.
White 2011 K/9: 7.8 (SSS, of course)
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Who has better control, White or Jimenez?
Ubie 2011 BB/9: 3.6
White 2011 BB/9: 5.4 (SSS, of course)
Ubie career BB/9: 3.9
Ubie 2011 K/BB: 2.43
White 2011 K/BB: 1.44 (SSS, of course)
Ubie career K/BB: 2.10
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I would prefer never to use any stats with a sample size of 15 IP to start.
There are many better ways than using ERA to compare pitchers. Particularly ones in different leagues and with crazy home parks.
Why would you use K/9 to determine who throws harder when the actual speeds of their pitches are readily available?
I would prefer never to use any stats with a sample size of 15 IP to start.
I’m not the one who brought White into the discussion. I find that ridiculous, as well.
There are many better ways than using ERA to compare pitchers. Particularly ones in different leagues and with crazy home parks.
That’s why I used ERA+, brah.
Why would you use K/9 to determine who throws harder when the actual speeds of their pitches are readily available?
Speed itself doesn’t matter. It’s whether the P is able to harness it effectively.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I apologize for my original criticism. It obviously put you into attack mode. I should’ve worded my constructive criticism in a way that was less harsh. I would like to think we can have an intelligent conversation about which stats are most appropriate for comparison analysis without referring to each other condescendingly as “brah”.
I’m not the one who brought White into the discussion.
Whether or not White is in the discussion is not at issue here. I have an issue with your attempt at drawing conclusions from 15 IP of data. There are plenty of minor league stats and scouting reports that while flawed, could definitely give us more meaningful information than 15 IP.
That’s why I used ERA+
I’m well aware of ERA+, and while its attempts to normalize against the competition, it doesn’t change the fact that its derived from an inferior measurement of a pitcher.
Speed itself doesn’t matter.
Change the question subsequently if you like, but you posted the K/9 stats directly under the question “Which pitcher throws harder?”
I also notice that in your scrupulous attempt to analyze his questions, you conveniently left out information to determine who we could control longer and who is more affordable, even though these are the easiest to measure.
left out information to determine who we could control longer and who is more affordable
I assumed these were rhetorical questions.
"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" -Hemingway
by notthatnoise on Aug 17, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It obviously put you into attack mode
Quite the contrary. I used stats, not ad hominem attacks (other than “brah,” for which I apologize).
I have an issue with your attempt at drawing conclusions from 15 IP of data
Again, you’re the one who questioned whether White was perhaps better than Ubaldo right now.
The fact that your guy has recorded 45 major league outs, while Ubaldo has recorded just over 2,600 helps my argument and severely hurts yours.
an inferior measurement of a pitcher
Again, since your guy has a whopping 15 IPs under his belt, I tried to help you out with this one. FIP and others like it would be even less meaningful with such a small sample size.
Change the question subsequently if you like
I think all of us care more about the results of at-bats and the recording of outs than who lights up the radar gun.
you conveniently left out information to determine who we could control longer and who is more affordable
White clearly has the advantage as far as future costs and control. But we’re currently in a division race right this very minute.
If you’re unhappy with my stats, feel free to provide your own. Just try not to use minor league ones, since Ubaldo has been a successful major league SP for four-plus seasons now.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Since the majority of your rebuttal consists of you calling White “my guy”, we should establish that you must be confusing me with Jhon. I wasn’t even the one to ask the questions, let alone give an argument on the matter. Actually, no one here, to my knowledge, has actually made an argument that White or Carrasco are better than Ubaldo.
Again, my issue is with your choice of analysis.
Can we agree that 15 IP worth of results oriented stats are pretty much useless for analysis regardless of the situation?
While I stated earlier that minor league numbers are admittedly flawed, I am very confident in saying they are a better indicator than 15 big league innings, as are scouting reports and the like.
FIP and others like it would be even less meaningful with such a small sample size.
This comment is irrelevant since you attempted to use ERA+ to compare with Carrasco and not Huff.
My ultimate point here is this: When jhon posed these questions, I’m pretty sure that he was aware of what your chosen stats would say about the pitchers in question. Being a robot and spouting ERA+, K/BB, etc. isn’t always helpful and I think that was the case here. Before rushing to copy and paste numbers from a website that we all have access to, take time to think about what is relevant and meaningful to the particular discussion.
So you want us to talk about which guy just looks better to us, without resorting to stats?
White is a giant question mark, especially after the finger injury.
CarCar was stinking up the joint for at least a month before he a) threw at a dude’s head and b) got hurt.
Yes, Ubie has scuffled in two of his first three games with the Tribe, but to suggest the other two might currently be better than him is absurd on its face.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Your attempts at edification are admirable.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, it was jhon who raised the idea of evaluating the two pitchers. It isn’t Julio’s fault that that can’t be done.
Indeed, the ridiculousness of the sample sizes further demolishes jhon’s point, not Julio’s, by highlighting the total absurdity of suggesting that we already know that the injured rookie White is better than the healthy, established ace Jimenez.
by Jay on Aug 17, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JulioBernazard is the MVP of this thread.
EOM
by Jay on Aug 17, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, rec.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 17, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just take it one thread at a time, and do whatever I can to help elucidate some ideas for the team. I want to take this time to thank my fellow posters and my family. I look forward to helping this blog win a title in the very near future, for the fans.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 18, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
[Thumps chest, points skyward]
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Aug 18, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was there—pretty miserable game. Horribly officiated, poorly pitched and played. Don’t totally understand the use of Huff.
by afh4 on Aug 17, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, if he was going to potentially come in during the 14th anyway, I’d just as soon rather have him start the inning.
Didn’t like the changeup Huff threw on the game-winning hit, either. I’d rather he try to out-stuff him there.
I was perfectly fine with the strategy. Who knows how much longer the game is going to go, Durbin should be able to go three innings (and pretty much has to in instances like last night and the Tigers game), three righties to start the inning then Huff came in to face a lefty with another in the on-deck circle.
If Huff was a reliever used to coming into those situations, I’d agree with you. But as a starter, I’d prefer him to start an inning if he was going to come into the game.
I still haven’t seen any evidence that coming into an inning with a runner on or not changes a pitcher’s performance that much, but I’d love to see a study on that. And I think playing the matchups as Acta did last night takes precedence over possibly making Huff a little more comfortable.
With Huff, I agree, but I do think there is some benefit in finding out which of your relievers are better suited than others to come on with guys on base. I still think you have to expect your pitchers to get outs regardless of the baserunners, and focus on who is more likely to succeed against the guy coming up next.
Didn’t like the changeup Huff threw on the game-winning hit, either. I’d rather he try to out-stuff him there.
I agree. I think its a product of 2 things:
- Huff doesn’t undestand how to attack hitters as a RP in a high leverage situation. It’s been hard enough for him to try to learn how to attack hitters as a SP.
- Huff doesn’t really understand his stuff very well at the moment. He’s had brief, but awesome recent success with his new arsenal of a more power type FB and a nasty Curve, but I think he doesn’t have a lot of confidence in it yet. He made comments after his outing against Boston that sounded like he was just as surprised with the bite on his curveball as we all were.
I wish Manny or Santana had taken more control of the pitch selection in that situation. I wonder if Marson would have done anything differently had he still been in the game. I can’t remember who was behind the plate for Huff’s starts.
Actually, I really wished we would’ve just walked Pierre, especially after 1st base was open. His contact abilities and speed actually made him a very tough hitter to face in that situation.
Yeah, if he was going to potentially come in during the 14th anyway, I’d just as soon rather have him start the inning.
I think they preferred to have him start the 15th, but it makes sense to pull Durbin once there’s trouble. Once Huff is warmed up, might as well let him try to rescue Durbin rather than letting the game end without him.
I had no problem with the use of Huff.
I just wish Ubie and Herrmann were more effective.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Just didn’t seem worth it to get Huff off schedule. Perhaps if he was warmed, that had already happened (or perhaps this doesn’t actually mess up his schedule, since it was a throwing day or something).
I’m generally too in favor of just punting the game around the 14th, though. Feels like forest for the trees.
I think the rationale was that it was his day to throw and he had thrown so few pitches on Sunday. At that point southpaw options were limited to Huff and Choo.
by Harry Doyle on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m generally too in favor of just punting the game around the 14th, though.
Can you better explain the thought process that leads you to this conclusion?
This isn’t an attack on your position, just an honest question. I find this topic very interesting, because it is so hard to determine which costs should be analyzed to make the decision.
In a seasonal situation like our current one where every win/loss is crucial, I’ve always been on the side that says “Do not worry about tomorrow. Each game has enough trouble of its own.”
by TKilbane on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you, especially in a divisional matchup in mid to late August
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, I haven’t had time to examine what this does to Huff’s rotation pace. I assume it’s going to mess him up to some extent, though. So, that leads me to this:
1-Bring in Huff, which has a significant chance of messing with his work as a starter, while simultaneously creating some additional chance that you win the game (by bringing in a better pitcher, or better pitching matchup).
2-Stick with Durbin, see what happens. If he survives, Huff will have to pitch the 15th. If he does not, Huff never gets used.
So, the key questions appear to me to be:
1-What’s the negative effect on Huff the starter by pitching him as a reliever? (As I’ve said, I don’t really know)
2-What’s the marginal positive effect on chances of winning the game by pitching Huff over Durbin? (Hindsight shows it was zero, but that’s not really relevant. What I’m arguing is that the marginal positive effect, even at the time, was very low)
I think I’d feel differently if they’d just gone with Huff to start the inning, or even if there had only been a man at 1st. But, as the WPA shows (if I’m reading it right), Huff was brought into a game we can expect the Indians to win something like less than 5% of the time.
I don’t see it as a great gamble that Huff can reverse that tide—this is a non-reliever who does not get a lot of groundballs. At that point, it just feels like you’re hoping for some weird luck, which Durbin seems about as capable of producing as Huff as reliever does. Even if Huff is more capable of making the miracle happen, is he enough more capable to hurt his next chance out?
You make a good point about the marginal value in Huff with the WPA at 5% or less. It just seems to me that pitching to one actual batter is only going to lower his effectiveness next start by an even more trivial margin. Of course, we hoped he would be pitching to more than only one batter, but unless he walked Pierre unintentionally, the WPA would have likely gone up enough to make his marginal value added in that situation greater than his marginal value lost in the next start by again, pitching to one additional batter.
Certainly, it still appears to come down to what point a SP’s relief appearance affects his ability to pitch next game and by how much, which I bet is different with each pitcher.
At what point in the season do you change your opinion? Obviously you wouldn’t make the same decision in a mathematical must-win scenario.
And do you not factor the previous bullpen/player usage into your decision at all? Perhaps we’ve already lowered our win expectancy for the next game or two by exhausting our personnel resources in an effort to win the present game, which makes securing a win today all that much more important. To be clear, not because of sunk costs, but only because our chances of winning future games has already gone down.
gave uplessfewer runs than he should have
I was pleased to see FEWER in all caps later in the piece.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
I’m sitting at work STILL mad at Laz Diaz and his crew, 12ish hours later.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
Until I heard Sipp got tossed, was going to post that Manny seems not to be able to manage his pen very well going into extra innings. Last week we had to get a starter up in extra innings and tonite the same. But since Sipp got tossed (and Ubaldo left early) I will give him a pass this time. But I do see a disturbing trend nonetheless. Our relievers should be capable of going more than one inning when the need arises.
It’s a tough situation when you are coming from behind. You are playing to get to a tie score, not for the extra innings. I can’t blame a manager for running out of guys in inning 14, you just don’t play based on that expectation.
Seriously, is there a really great way to manage a 14-inning game? I doubt it.
by Jay on Aug 17, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Played hookie from work to go to the park. Beautiful night. Ugly game. The ball/strike calls were bizarre, and that check-swing strike call on Hafner looked terrible live.. how did the replay look?
LaPorta may indeed have the raw physical talent to be a good hitter, but if he doesn’t learn how to have quality at-bats (e.g. thinking about the count, what pitches might be coming, when he should be more selective), it won’t ever matter. This team badly needs a good right-handed hitter.
My girlfriend says Lou Marson is hot.
as a straight guy, I admit this may be true. Pre-wife says Tomlin isn’t too hard on the eyes, either.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Aug 17, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
As a girl, I agree that Lou Marson is hot. Tomlin is cute too, but I cannot stand watching him with his stupid chewing tobacco.
by sandyalomarfan on Aug 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a great story though,
Go Tribe!
by ClevelandSports on Aug 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hooray for being able to enter the lottery for postseason tickets! I did so today, hopefully we make the playoffs and I somehow manage to get tickets.
by sandyalomarfan on Aug 17, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
I can see the onion now… Third Place Team Holds Postseason Ticket Lottery
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Flag.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Aug 17, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks Baseball has the pitch fx data up from yesterday. The difference in strike zones for Floyd v Jimenez is even more striking when graphically illustrated. And Jimenez was really all over the place.
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by woodsmeister on Aug 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonight terrifies me. The White Sox just seem to kill us for starters, and with Fausto going I don’t have faith that he can throw 7 innings, and we really need him to. Couple that with the White Sox not just throwing a lefty at us, but Buerhle, and this could be a backbreaker. Lose tonight and we’re percentage points behind the White Sox, in third place.
Tonight is a BIG game.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Herrmann may have to go for a while.
Were any callups made today?
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Everytime I see “less” in that situation, I tell myself I’m not going to make that mistake. And I still blew it.
When it’s countable, use “fewer.” When it’s intangible, use “less.”
by JulioBernazard on Aug 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Carmona has pitched pretty well in his last 5 starts. He hasn’t pitched well against the White Sox this year, but one of those starts was on opening day and the other was in a string of bad starts from May to early July.
I don’t see a reason to be particularly bearish about Carmona tonight
I know Carmona has pitched well as of late, but he hasn’t earned my trust back yet. The Sox in particular strike me — anecdotally — as a team that has a strong chance of getting into his head. And we’ve all seen Buerhle mow down our lineup inning after inning.
Il faut d'abord durer.
As long as it isn't Eric Cooper you should be OK.
Eric Cooper was behind the plate for Buehrle’s no hitter and perfect game. Coincidentally, Eric Cooper wears the same number as Buehrle.
Acta, on umpiring in Tuesday’s game: “It’s one of my favorite crews. Those guys are very good. They had a rough night last night.”
OH COME ON!
MLBastian Acta, on obstruction play in 4th inning: “Can I teach my shortstop from now on now to tackle every runner that goes through second base?”Much better, Manny.
14 minutes ago
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
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