Orlando would have made that play. It's crunch time and Tribe has rookies playing at key positions. Spells trouble.
@hoynsie in a DM to me.
I was responding to a spat between him and Chris Perez, wherein Hoynes was whining about some error (didn't watch the whole game, but assumed it was something Kipnis did based on later tweets) and Perez replied "yeah because veterans never make errors." I tweeted to both of them "See: Cabrera, Orlando." Then I got this DM.
I tried to reply "bitch, please" but apparently, @hoynsie doesn't follow me.
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Let’s even give Hoynes the small point that Kipnis is going to be prone to occasional defensive lapses. Hoynes’ premise is that the Tribe is in worse shape with Kipnis, which is so absurd as to be unworthy of response. And yet this guy is disseminating information to the masses. So briefly:
1) Veterans don’t automatically make more clutch plays in the field. Veterans make errors on occasion, and an error is no more or less likely based on the time of year.
2) Kipnis’ defense is ragged, but almost certainly improving, and nonetheless unlikely to be much worse than Cabrera’s.
3) All of which ignores the difference in likely offensive performance. We’ve removed one of the league’s ten worst hitters and replaced him with a player who is capable of a league average performance in his first three months.
So, yeah, your reply to Hoynes would have been spot on.
by tabler84 on Aug 5, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I believe the exact opposite of you so therefore neither of us can be right, we just have different interpretations.
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 5, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
omg like off the record
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 5, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions
Here’s a question: why did he DM that to you Phil? If he really believes it should he not make his opinion known? Stand for your principles Hoynes.
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 5, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought the DM was really odd. Either way, THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT!
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by Turkmenbashi on Aug 5, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re assuming that Hoynes has figured out how Twitter works.
by cleveland teamer on Aug 5, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ Kipnis just homered in 4 straight games!
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 5, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
I have a hunch that Kipnis is Jewish, like JC.
by jhon on Aug 5, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is not. His father was Jewish, but he is not.
(For those who will nitpick, this is not only the traditional viewpoint, but since Kipnis is a practicing Catholic and didn’t have a Jewish upbringing, even the liberal Jewish movements would not consider him to be Jewish.)
by Jay on Aug 5, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if his mother was the Jewish parent, he would still be considered Jewish, yes?
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Does Jewish refer to the religious persuasion or ethnic extraction? I’ve never been clear on that.
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by Turkmenbashi on Aug 7, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In some respects. Once someone adopts another religion, that person generally is not considered Jewish anymore.
by Jay on Aug 7, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
True. I heard David Cross talking once about how since his mother was Jewish he was and always will be considered Jewish. He was also raised in a Jewish home and it could have just been conjecture.
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But you took all the funny out of it!
by cleveland teamer on Aug 9, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions
This is so unbelievably over the top that I’m waiting to see the one armed friend of George Sr.‘s come out and say "And that’s why you DON’T LISTEN TO HOYNES!"
Seriously? I saw the headline of the fanpost and I thought “ok already, stop with posting comments from Cle.com over here.”
by painaxl on Aug 5, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Actually that was my response to. But it’s “the” Indians beat reporter.
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 5, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
#FAIL. (too)
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 5, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I had the same thought
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by world dictator on Aug 5, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried to reply “bitch, please” but apparently, @hoynsie doesn’t follow me.
All you would’ve needed to do is Tweet “@hoynsie bitch, please.” and it would’ve showed up in his feed since he was mentioned.
It’ would not be a DM, but rather an actual Tweet (everyone would see).
Late. Drunk. Etc.
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by Turkmenbashi on Aug 5, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Orlando’s D wasn’t all that hot. He has really slipped.
by jhon on Aug 5, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s crunch time and Tribe hasrookiesguys that can HR in 4 straight games playing at key positions. Spellstroubleplayoffs.
Fixed.
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Is it blasphemous to agree with Hoynes here? If you merely break his tweet into two seperate, independent statements, I don’t have a problem with it.
Orlando Cabrera would have made that play. end
The Tribe … (has) rookies at key positions and (it will) spell trouble in crunch time.
I don’t think those statements are necessarily off-base. In fact, the latter will probably prove to be prophetic as we have so many rookies or second-year players that the liklihood of mistakes happening to them are almost a sure thing.
If we’re breaking it down, I think it’s fair to agree with the first statement. Getting the throw at second didn’t seem to me an area where Orlando had faltered.
The second statement is one of those that gets into the murky, “veteran savvy” depths. While it would make sense to state that regularly playing a guy like Kipnis whose defense is still a work in progress could cause problems, the implication (because of it’s proximity to the first sentence) is that having Orlando Cabrera as the non-rookie playing that position would alleviate those problems by virtue of his not being a rookie.
So yeah, if you take that single play in a vacuum and don’t account for offensive production or progress for next year, Hoynes is half right.
How different is it from the years of “Omar would have had that”, though?
Intuitively, “rookie mistake” makes sense—the more experience you have, the more often you should make the play, and Kipnis will likely concentrate on catching the throw before trying to complete the DP next time.
Looking at 10 current AL career second basemen, their error rate through their first full season was 2.08%; thereafter, it has been 1.3%.
Nonetheless, I’m happy to watch Kip offset his goofs with dingers.
The real logical error is this.
If we have Ocab instead of Kipnis, there isn’t going to BE any crunch time.
by Jay on Aug 5, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Over his final 225 PA as an Indian, OC had a .546 OPS.
Josh Barfield thinks that’s bad…
by The DiaTriber on Aug 5, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
In his last five games, Kipnis has 20 total bases and two walks.
In his last 21 games, Orlando had 19 total bases and three walks.
by Jay on Aug 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I mean it’s not like Cabrera didn’t make stupid mistakes too. He sat around with his back to home plate and let the runner score from third that one game, which is a far more egregious mental error than not catching that ball.
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 5, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
A blogger would have analyzed that fully. It’s crunch time and PD has bitter old men writing key columns. Spells trouble.
by FredOx on Aug 5, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
This was my reply to Perez:
@ChrisPerez54 @hoynsie I think he was trying to be sincere. Like many things he writes, it didn’t come out very well.
Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.
I don’t know much about tweeting, and still doubt I’ll join, but would it have made as much sense to write it like this?
@ChrisPerez54 I think @hoynsie was trying to be sincere. Like many things he writes, it didn’t come out very well.
or would Hoynsie not have seen it then?
by JulioBernazard on Aug 8, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Who can say what Hoynes will see? But it will show up in his stream if you do that, yes. It doesn’t matter where the “@mention” goes within a tweet.
by Jay on Aug 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hoynsie tends to see what he wants to see.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So I just got a direct message from Hoynes as well. He tweeted about Michael Young reaching 2000 hits and called him a great hitter, so I replied
@hoynsie Michael Young really isn’t that good of a hitter. Career OPS+ of 106 so he’s slightly above average.
Then today Hoynes sends me this DM:
2,000 hits is 2,000 hits. OPS+ or no OPS+
As Hardball Talk mentions, 2000 hits isn’t that exclusive of a club. Young is the 234th player to reach that number and players such as Juan PIerre and Placido Planco could reach it very soon. Neither of those guys are known as good hitters, either.
I’m not sure why he wouldn’t just tweet a response instead of sending a direct message (I didn’t even know you could do such things on twitter). Maybe so we can’t reply directly, or it could be just that he doesn’t want to clog his twitter feed with responses to every question he gets.
Maybe he knows he’s dumb but doesn’t know why
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by Gradyforpresident on Aug 8, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
In fairness, Young did play SS for a number of those years, so 2000 hits is actually more impressive than at first glance.
2,000 columns is 2,000 columns. Sense or no sense.
by emd2k3 on Aug 8, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
People throw the word “great” around too often, especially in relation to sports.
by JulioBernazard on Aug 9, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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