I Think We're Actually Good
Every year, or maybe every couple of years, some team starts out hot and takes everyone by surprise. Sometimes they continue the Cinderella run all the way into or even through the postseason; other times they lose momentum and leave their fans with an unsettling feeling that no good start is ever comfortable enough to believe in. I'm sure you recall the articles that people were writing about the Indians a couple of months ago.
Well, it's not a couple of months ago anymore, and our boys are struggling to stay over .500 and within shouting distance of the Tigers in the divisional race. If the Tribe had just began the season at a normal pace and played consistently around this level, I think we'd all consider the first 111 games of the season a success. The fact that we were 30-15 and then ripped off a 26-40 stretch, though, raises all sorts of questions. We all more or less figured Cleveland wasn't going to win two thirds of their games, but this slide has been a little disheartening. It also leaves us wondering - as fans - what we should think about this team going forward. Well, as the title suggests, I think we're actually good.
I don't have enough material to make another paragraph but, here are my reasons:Starting pitching:
In Masterson, the Tribe has a breakout starter who looks to have all the makings of an anchor for the rotation for years to come. Ubaldo occasionally loses track of the strike zone, but his stuff is unquestionable and his velocity isn't that much of a concern after his slow start to the season. Carrasco and Tomlin are opposite sides of the same coin - one gets the most of of questionable stuff, the other is tantalizingly electric and frustratingly erratic. Fausto Carmona and the enigma that is David Huff round out what we've got in terms of guys fighting for the last spots in the rotation right now. In terms of depth, Mitch Talbot (meh) and Jeanmar Gomez are just a phone call away with ML experience already on hand, and Zach McAllister and Scott Barnes have shown solid potential in Columbus this season.
Bullpen:
Bullpen performance is notoriously erratic. It's hard to tell too much about a pitcher in a 70 inning sample spread over an entire season, but the Indians' pen has been pretty good this year. Rafael Perez has returned to being good - if not as dominant as he once was. I'm not sure what to make of Vinnie Pestano, and I feel like Joe Smith has been a little lucky, but I see no reason that both can't be good again next year. Tony Sipp has the best WHIP, but he gives up a ton of homers. Durbin's not inspiring. Frank Hermann, Josh Judy, and Justin Germano are all depth options with ML experience. Further down, Nick Hagadone has an impressive pedigree, and CC Lee has been tearing up the minors.
Offense:
When the Indians were clicking at the start of the year, it was because the offense was one of the best in the league. Then they went through a stretch during which they couldn't score on their own cheerleaders. Going forward, there's reason to hope the Tribe will be able to piece together a good offensive performance from time to time. Kipnis has shown real ability with the bat, and Chisenhall seems to be coming along nicely. Santana - frustrating in almost every other facet of the game - has the best eye on the team and can also drive the ball. Fukudome seems like exactly what we thought he would be. Brantley is uninspiring but serviceable, and Hafner can still get the job done when healthy. Speaking of healthy, Choo should be back soon. Forget about Sizemore though; I've given up on his ever being a consistent impact player again. Matt LaPorta always seems like he should be more, but he isn't.
Defense:
Ah, the other calling card of the early-season Indians. Really, the position guys have kind of fallen off since the first 45 games. With Chisenhall, Asdrubal, and Kipnis around the infield, the defense is solid but not spectacular. Chiz and Kipnis have both made some bad errors this year, but both of them have shown the athletic ability to smooth out the rough edges as time goes on. I don't know what LaPorta's deal is, and I don't think I ever will. Behind the plate, Marson's probably the better defensive option, and Santana's effort hasn't thrilled Tommy lately. In the outfield, Carrerra covers a ton of ground and Choo throws really hard. Other than that, Cleveland's outfielders don't really have any plus tools. If Sizemore is as done as I've proposed above, I'm not sure Brantley's a long-term solution in center.
Overall, I don't think the Tribe is going to fade like cut grass over the next couple of years. I think that - rather than being a 45-game wonder - this team really is the foundation of the team's next run of contention. The arms are coming in waves, and the bats are good with the upside of something better. Even if it doesn't happen this year, I've got great hopes for the 2012-2014 window. There have been several losses this year in which just a little more ability and a little more maturity would have served the Tribe very well. Those assets are already growing for the stretch run this year, and I'm confident they'll be in position for the next two or three seasons. I'm confident we're rolling into the the next golden run for Indians fans.
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good article, i pretty much agree with it all except our infield defense is atrocious right now with chis, cab, kipnis and laporta
A fair critique. I think Asdrubal is at least average though, and I think Kipnis and the Chiz will improve by leaps and bounds. I’ve stopped trying to figure out LaPorta.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
LaPorta has shown himself a serviceable first baseman and has made great strides this year. Asdrubal is always going to be a little spotty – flashed of absolute brilliance with a few mental errors mixed in, overall slightly above average. As for Chiz and Kip, atrocious isn’t how I would describe them. Young and and on the upswing. Below average, sure. Overall, I think this infield defense is average.
Matt LaPorta is the bane of my existence.
atrocious. santana giving detroit 3 runs in the ubaldo game on a routine catch.
lonnie giving detroit a run tonight in the first by throwing it into the stands on a routine play.
Yeah, it was the Pirates’ decline that percipitated this train of thought for me. After starting so brightly, I really think they’re going to have nothing to show for this season.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
by Joel D on Aug 7, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And the worst part is that they had assets they could have traded away at the deadline to improve their club in the future — like a Proven Closer in Hanrahan — but because they were in contention they couldn’t sell (and actually traded for two hitters but didn’t give up anything of importance) which is probably going to hinder their team down the road. They’re also going to have to pay in arbitration for players who overperformed this year and won’t be as good next year. These few months of contention might actually be the worst thing that could have happened to them; the only good part may be that fans are getting hopeful about the team again which has helped attendance this year and probably next year as well.
I agree that selling high on some guys may have been good moves, but just about everyone on that roster was coming back next year. Even if they end up well out of contention this year, they have to expect to contend next year, and can’t give up those assets yet.
they have to expect to contend next year
Why? All of their pitchers are overperforming — getting lucky on balls in play and stranding runners — and can’t be expected to pitch that well again. They don’t really have many elite prospects close to the majors to promote next year (from what I’ve heard). Who on that team is going to be better next year to make up for all the regression? Pedro Alveraz certainly could play better and McCutchen might keep improving, but that’s about it. If the Pirates bring back basically the same team again next year they really shouldn’t expect any improvement. They really need to trade high on whoever they can and keep building assets for the future.
They really need to trade high on whoever they can and keep building assets for the future.
If I were a Pirates fan or any other kind of outsider, that’s precisely what I’d say about the Indians. So is it right? Do we really know a damned thing about the Pirates? Do we understand our own team?
My God, you’re right. We should all just go home to our mother’s basements!
… where we already are. DAMN IT.
by Jay on Aug 8, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The way the markets are going? It’s like the whole world is giving up and moving back in with Mom.
by jhon on Aug 9, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess they don’t have to expect to contend, but most younger teams that contend through four months are going to build around a plan to contend longer the next year. And the pitching is middle of the pack on balls in play. They certainly aren’t going to be favorites, but they can’t punt on 2012 already.
This past week has really proven a lot.
Could be 6-0, but are 3-3.
But, against 2 divisional leaders on the road, with 3 walk-off one-run losses. Outside of the recent KC game, we are not getting beat by much.
You’re saying, it proves something that we even could have been 6-0 in this stretch?
by Jay on Aug 7, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure about the 6-0 (now 7-0) part, but I was very worried after the previous 10 games or so that this team would keep circling the drain. They’ve still got some fight in them, but they have to find ways to win games like last night.
Doesn’t a losing road trip, even if it was a well-fought, tough stretch, essentially mean this team is still circling the drain? They’re not going to make up any ground on the Tigers by continuing to lose games like this.
Of course it does. We’re not a doormat, apparently. Two of the wins were blowout wins. All of the losses were close, gut-wrenching, last at bat losses. Sucks to lose, and in the end it’s about winning and losing, but if you don’t see any difference between this performance and the performance of a team that gets beat 10-1 in four losses, we disagree.
Because I just mentioned Hagadone in the GT and then read this right after, I checked to make sure he’s 40-man’d like I thought. And he is. Which gives him a substantial advantage over CC Lee in the “next reliever up” pool. Also, you can scratch Germano’s name off—I assume he’s headed overseas fairly immediately?
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
This is a happy sales pitch / appraisal, but does anyone care to make an ARGUMENT that we’re actually good? I think not.
Uh, that’s what this is. I’m not trying to sell you anything; I believe we’re actually good, and these are the reasons I think so. When a team goes boom and bust, I tend to wonder how illusory the success was. After poking around the internet a little bit, I’ve come to the conclusion that I think we have the groundwork laid for an extended run of contention starting right now. Yes, I think we’re actually good.
Trombone/creamy/soda.
You’ve been really grumpy lately
Lou Marson fan. Jason Donald advocate.
by Gradyforpresident on Aug 8, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
+1. Struck by how bad our offense actually is, when Hafner isn’t healthy and mashing.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Aug 18, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

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