Did Tigers Fans 'Earn' Prince Fielder?
Yesterday, Tigers owner Mike Ilitch announced that his team had signed Prince FIelder to a 9 year, 214 million dollar contract—for those wondering this means Fielder, if paid in $1 bills, is going to receive about 471,790 lbs of money, or about 1716 Prince Fielder's worth of money. Diversions aside, when Fielder's deal was announced there were heaps of praise served to Ilitch and, in some cases, Detroit fans:
#Tigers fans show up in droves despite terrible economy and owner rewards them by signing a star. That's how it's supposed to work.-John Perrotto via Twitter
First, let's figure out if the claim that Tigers fans supported the team to an unusual extent is credible:
| Year | % Attendance | Rank |
| 2006 | 79.9 | 10 |
| 2007 | 93.8 | 4 |
| 2008 | 98.6 | 3 |
| 2009 | 79 | 11 |
| 2010 | 75.7 | 12 |
| 2011 | 79 | 10 |
Detroit went to the World Series in 2006, the last time they had made the playoffs before 2011. In that context, my cocked-head guess is that Detroit is supported almost exactly at the level we ought to expect. Detroit is something like the 12th largest metro area in the US and, by these rankings for radio market size, about the 11th largest market. Obviously, all of the markets ahead of Detroit have (at least) one baseball team, so it follows that the Tigers, if they don't absolutely poison the well, ought to be about the eleventh best supported team in an average year.
That term 'average year' probably isn't a particularly useful one, and we could anecdotally point out how bad the Detroit economy is, but there's not much of an argument here. The stronger argument would be if Detroit pulled a St. Louis, which consistently ranks much higher by attendance percentage than it does by market size.
Anyway, point being: Tigers' fans don't appear to have done anything particularly inspirational to push Illitch to this move, as Perrotto asserts with his imagined virtuous cycle. Tigers fans didn't show up at any greater rate than they had the previous few years, and, just as expected, fan interest had waned as the Tigers became farther removed from the playoffs. If someone wants to do a more complex analysis (and one is certainly justified), I'm happy to be proven wrong.
The question that's more interesting to me is if what Perrotto is asserting about "the way it should be" is actually, well, the way it should be. Should fans show up in droves with the hope of being 'rewarded' by an owner opening the coffers? A rudimentary analysis rooted in American capitalism would indicate no. No one expects to go to a poor performing restaurant and spend a lot of cash with the expectation that the restaurant will approve in quality. Unquestionably, there are instances where we choose to patronize a place in the hopes that it will grow and, perhaps, marginally improve (think local coffee shop), but the basic consumer relationship is one that's founded on being sold a quality product by the business, as opposed to motivating a business to sell a quality product by patronizing it.
Perrotto is really just parroting a sunnier version of the logic that many CleCommers sense in Dolan's reticence to spend wildly—a lot of the anger towards Cleveland ownership and management, in my estimation, is based in a refusal to be labeled a 'bad' fan because of an unwillingness to spend a week's wages on a night at the park supporting a lousy team. When this relationship between payroll and attendance is spelled out by Shapiro or Antonetti, it feels, to many, like a thinly veiled guilt trip.
The super-wealthy simply can't beseech the non-super-wealthy to spend more in order to improve a sports team. They need to beseech the non-super-wealthy to spend more because spending more feels awesome. That could mean winning or free chalupas, it doesn't matter, but awesomeness is the proper source of motivation in the context of our economy. The point that owners must put the horse (a good team) before the cart (the bandwagon of fans) by spending lavishly and assuming considerable risk is cogently supported by Malcolm Gladwell's argument regarding NBA ownership.
The inherent volatility in a sports team's 'success' makes owning a team something less than a shrewd business move. Especially in a relatively unregulated sport like baseball, team ownership ought to be a sidelight for very rich people who enjoy betting on their horse with some vague notion that, if things work out, they might get a cart from the deal. Ilitch and Mark Cuban are the obvious examples in the major sports of owners treating their team like the diversionary amusement of a moneypit that it is.
If you scratch the surface, though, you see that Ilitch and Cuban are not just good owners, but they're also in good situations. Both are in large markets, where both fan support and cable deals help keep the lights on. Cuban is in a sport that limits his spending on players, meaning a lot of the money he spends flashily (for fancy benches, for instance) likely doesn't approach the costs that acquiring players in an unregulated market would. Ilitch is likely deficit spending from his own bank account, but he also has much greater assurances of future profits because of Detroit's cable market and, of course, from his own immense wealth (that's probably more 'good owner' than 'good situation'). In short, he's in no real danger of bankrupting himself or the team because of a few factors, including the Tigers' ecosystem.
On the other hand, many owners would, if they were to act like Ilitch, run a risk of bankrupting themselves and the team. Firstly, as Jay astutely pointed out over in the long Fielder thread, spending money is no guarantee of success and, thus, no guarantee of making any money back. In fact, spending money is pretty poorly correlated to success in many cases, like Detroit's. Secondly, many owners are simply not as wildly wealthy as Ilitch is, and thus don't have the guaranteed future income streams to back up their own bets.
That someone like Dolan doesn't play Ilitch's game isn't surprising—in order to become wildly, exorbitantly, astoundingly rich one has to generally have a pretty decent sense of when you're throwing money away and an aversion to that sensation. Further, there's probably a great deal of pressure on you to not just waste your riches but, instead, either give them to causes that 'matter' or, more likely, to a set of heirs who've assumed a future lifestyle is theirs by birthright.
The real question then, is where do we find more pseudo-crazy mega-rich people? And how do we convince one of them to buy the Indians? Or, alternately, we return to the same question as always: how do we get away from a system that allows teams' coincidental circumstances to dictate so much of the player acquisition market?
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Very nice.
…how do we convince one of them to buy the Indians?
Secretly, this is one of my dreams. So many times I’ve thought to myself: "Man, if the Indians had an owner like Ilitch — one who says “Screw it, I’ll spend until I’m dead or broke because I’m old and rich” — that it would be good enough for me.
But also at the same time, I so very much wish that baseball had a salary cap. I would have no idea what the numbers would be, but off the top of my head, but something with a maximum and minimum of course. Say, max = 115 million and min = 45 million.
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Don’t they have a new TV deal kicking in soon?
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 27, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions
Hence Fielder, and the insatiable quest for a title.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 27, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah…But Ilitch said he was going to spend until they win when they signed Magglio a few years ago. But they have been quickening the pace as of late. Miggy, Verlander …etc., to long term deals.
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Except for the vacuum being created in the NL, I think this is a good development for the league. It’s lame that it comes at the expense of the Indians this time, but it’s a step in the right direction.
When Hafner and Sizemore come off the books, it will be the Indian’s turn. Also, we did after all win the Jimenez sweepstakes. I’m just as excited by a full season of Ubaldo, as I would be about The Prince.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 28, 2012 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
It is very lame, I agree. But yeah, I’m excited about Ubaldo this year as well, though a part of me thinks it isn’t even going to matter (because of the Tigers) due to the fact that the prize is winning the World Series.
Also, when Hafner and Sizemore (and maybe others, I guess) come off the books, what are the chances the Indians get a big-name free agent hitter? Or pitcher if it is needed at the time? It’s gotta be lower than higher.
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Hopefully Sizemore’s money is enough to extend Choo.
Haf frees up a lot of cash. It isn’t Prince Fielder money, but it’s 5 hitter money, and maybe a Rays style pre-arb extension for Carlos Santana.
I could see the Indians “splurging” on a guy like BJ Upton. Someone who has an obvious blemish, but routinely outperforms the perceived blemish.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 28, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be okay with all of that, or some combo of the three.
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According to MLBTR, the Indians offered Pena $8 mil for 1 year, which is .75 mil more than what he took from TB.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 29, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
Which means I now hate Pena.
Most arguments are really about context.
by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 29, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
You can argue he’s going to a team with a potentially better record, in a better climate, and a place where he’s played before and probably feels most at home.
Maybe giving that up wasn’t worth $750k.
Honestly, I don’t think that climate is all that better in the summer months. In fact considering the Florida humidity (a generalization for sure, but whatever) I’m guessing its more fun sitting inside with the air conditioning than anything else.
Google tells me that Pena’s income tax rate in Ohio would be something like 6%, plus 10K. Basically, that’s nearly the whole difference between the two offers.
So, they were essentially equivalent offers in terms of take-home. As for local advertising opportunities, probably higher in Tampa, where he’s already well-known.
I’d say Tampa is ahead in the financial aspect, and then also ahead in the personal aspect (comfort with the area, friends on the team, manager he likes, chance to win, etc).
That tax rate would only hit half the contract, and would only make up about 1/3 of the difference between the two contracts, and you’re going to get taxed a bit more by playing in ALE cities than ALC cities as well. There is an adjustment, but its nowhere near enough to equalize the contracts.
What actually does make up the entire difference between the contracts is the cost of living adjustment. I would not have believed there were many metropolitan areas that were cheaper to live in that Cleveland, but Tampa is one of them.
They do the tax rate marginally by day? Learn something new every day.
Cost of living is a great point, as well. Plus, would not be shocked if Pena has a place in Tampa, dropping costs again.
We often forget that these instances of “we tried to overpay!” aren’t even value equalizers for the total picture.
I guess I’ve been the chief proponent of insanely wealthy ownership for awhile. But not going to happen because Master Bud Selig is guided by two over-riding principles of ownership.
1) Every ship on it’s own bottom.
2) Wealthy owners wanted…but not too wealthy. And if you are too wealthy, you have to sign in blood that you’ll ascribe to principle #1. See Walton’s and Kansas City and Pohlad’s in Minnesota, for example.
Owners who will treat their teams as bright baubles to show off to their future ex-spouses are not in Selig’s wheelhouse. He thinks letting those sorts in will significantly raise labor costs. He’s right. It would. And then his labor/management structure would collapse as small market teams without insanely rich owners willing to reach into their own pockets would have no chance at all anymore. Tampa Bay success will just be the exception that proves the rule. Spending, without being tethered to revenue, will win out even more in this wild west.
It’s probably explains why he approved the McCourts ownership of the Dodgers in the first place. Their debt load would force them to run the biz more in line with revenues. That they were vampires sucking the blood out of the franchise only concerned Selig when the embarrassing details came out in the divorce. Otherwise, all this hoo-ha about diversion of money for houses, lifestyle, etc. would have remained a nice little screamer for the LA Weekly, but easy for the MLB powers to ignore.
Selig’s compensates with his other move; pandering to small markets by diluting the value of winning the World Series. He does this by giving teams who don’t have superior seasons the opportunity to still win the title via these short playoff series. I guess this is supposed to offer the veneer of parity. But when inferior teams like the SF Giants and St. Louis Cardinals win the World Series, it feels non-genuine.
That’s a reason losing the Series in ’95 has always stuck in my craw more than ’97. In ’95 we were by far the best team. I wanted the exclamation point to seal that team as all-time classic monster winner. I hate the World Series umps in that series. They stole our rightful place in the pantheon.
by Bogalusa Bomber on Jan 28, 2012 6:25 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Who is John Perrotta and why does he have an opinion with listening to?
These things really tick me off – why do people talk about fan bases as “better” or more deserving than any other??? As you point out about Detroit, any attendance figures can be explained by population and team performance (World Series lift) and not any greater nature of the fanbase.
As for a mega-rich owner, what we need is a Stephen Colbert with a Super-PAC. Any attorneys with an understanding of political campaign finance? A Super-PAC seems like a great way to funnel money to our goal of bringing a championship to the Indians – and I don’t know what’s more political than statements where people say one group is more deserving than another…
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
by Spidey on Jan 28, 2012 9:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
A quote from Buster Olney on the Fielder signing:
I haven’t spoken to a single MLB talent evaluator who believes Cabrera can play the position regularly. They believe there would just be too many situations when a groundball that could’ve been a crucial out will skip through the infield — and remember, the Tigers’ strength is its starting pitching.
When this relationship between payroll and attendance is spelled out by Shapiro or Antonetti, it feels, to many, like a thinly veiled guilt trip. The super-wealthy simply can’t beseech the non-super-wealthy to spend more in order to improve a sports team…owners must put the horse (a good team) before the cart (the bandwagon of fans)…
Another fantastic post. The above really nails the situation in Cleveland and a lot of other small-market cities, even if it’s unlikely to happen for all the reasons you outline.
Excellent post! I suppose I like to think of MLB as a rational business because it makes me feel better about the current system. Gladwell’s argument that owners derive a psychic benefit from being an owner helps explain the bad business decisions that some owners consistently make in overpaying for top talent. I don’t think this type of signing should be applauded as the way it is supposed to be, especially since as Jay has pointed out that the correlation between free agent spending and winning a WS is pretty weak.
The concept of a psychic benefit applies to fans as well. Why is a city willing to use public money to build a hugely expensive new stadium to keep a team from moving? Why am I a devoted Indians fan when they haven’t won a championship in my lifetime? The hardcore fans support their team in spite of the system as long as there is hope for a brighter tomorrow. Winning is what sells tickets to the more casual fan, so judicious deficit spending when there is a window of opportunity is a rational business move.
I don’t know how I would change the system if the objective is maximizing total revenue for MLB. Even though big market teams benefit from their situation rather than their ownership competency, it seems to me that the system is working pretty well in that regard.
If baseball wants to remain anywhere near 30 teams in the long term, they need to look at wealth distribution more closely in the next CBA. There aren’t that many ridiculously wealthy people in the US who are prepared to run teams at a considerable loss. Most of them are wealthy because of their acumen.
by Aussie Wahoo on Jan 28, 2012 5:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Great post. In regards to this comment:
Ilitch is likely deficit spending from his own bank account, but he also has much greater assurances of future profits because of Detroit’s cable market and, of course, from his own immense wealth (that’s probably more ‘good owner’ than ‘good situation’).
I wonder how far in the red Illitch is deficit spending? If it were even $20 million a year, I don’t think a similar approach by the Dolan’s or any other mega-rich owner would be very effective in Cleveland given the considerable gap in payroll (>$55 million) that would still exist between the Tribe and Chicago, Detroit, and Minnesota.

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