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Last two spots on the bench

This will be the last pre-spring training roster battle poll, and also the most complex. The Indians starting lineup looks fairly set going into spring training, with third base a possible exception. Assuming Jason Donald is the primary utility player (and his flexibility suggests he should be), there are two sets of possibilities for the final two roster spots. The first set assumes that Hannahan is the opening day starter at 3B and Chisenhall starts in Columbus. If this is the case, the final two spots are a 4-way battle for two 4th OFer/RH-bat/1B spots between Cunningham (out of options), Duncan (out of options), LaPorta and Canzler. The second set of possibilities involves Chisenhall getting the start at 3B and Hannahan occupying a backup 1B/3B position on the roster. In this second scenario, there is only one free roster spot and it has to go to someone who can play the OF. Which option do you prefer heading into spring training?

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Who do you want to earn the final two bench spots in spring training?
Hannahan/Cunningham (Chisenhall starts at 3B)
58 votes
Hannahan/Duncan (Chisenhall starts at 3B)
180 votes
Hannahan/Other (Chisenhall starts at 3B)
30 votes
Cunningham/Duncan (Chisenhall at AAA)
84 votes
Cunningham/LaPorta (Chisenhall at AAA)
2 votes
Cunningham/Canzler (Chisenhall at AAA)
8 votes
Duncan/LaPorta (Chinsehall at AAA)
9 votes
Duncan/Canzler (Chisenhall at AAA)
34 votes
LaPorta/Canzler (Chisenhall at AAA)
9 votes
Other (please indicate in comments)
5 votes

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There are actually a huge number of iterations that could come from these spots that I did not give options for in the poll. In addition to the above options, Phelps and Thomas Neal are already on the 40-man roster and potentially in the mix (Phelps would seem to be Donald’s backup, and Neal another RH-outfield bat). In addition, the following NRI players are in camp; Andy LaRoche, Jose Lopez, Fred Lewis, Felix Pie and Ryan Spilborghs…plus a few others.

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Also a reminder that the guys out of options include; Hannahan, Duncan, Cunningham and Kotchman. The opt-out dates for some of the NRIs are:
Fred Lewis (June 1)
Andy LaRoche (June 1)
Gregorio Petit (June 30)
Not sure about the others….

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

It would be an interesting side question as to which of Duncan or Cunningham would be more likely to get through waivers and still be available if they did go with Lonnie at 3B and Hannahan on the bench.

by The DiaTriber on Feb 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

That is a tough question to answer and probably involves a lot of minor stories in other team’s spring training camps

by APV on Feb 20, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Bottom line, you keep the best guy on the 25-man, because the second-best guy also is more likely to get through waivers.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Building on APV’s point immediately above, I voted Cunningham/Duncan (with Chisenhall at AAA).

I can’t even recall the last time the Indians didn’t put an “out of options” player on the 25 man when he was more or less even with a competing player who “did” have an option left.

I also think the somewhat “even” ballyhooed battle between Hannahan and Chisenhall is way overblown and there’s no way they won’t start borderline Gold Glove candidate Hannahan at 3B with this ground ball staff (with Chisenhall showing flashes but certainly no urgent need to start him there now). They need all the help they can get with this staff who either regressed big time in the 2nd half last year (Tomlin), making the switch from little boy league to big boy league (Lowe, and to an extent still… Jimenez). And that’s before we even get to whomever the 5th starter is.

by cheech99 on Feb 19, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Is he a “borderline candidate” because of playing time or because the voters are stupid?

by Brick. on Feb 19, 2012 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In a way, both I guess

by cheech99 on Feb 20, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

One other thing to point out is the inevitable spring training injury (be it Jason Donald, Jamey Carroll the one year, think I’m forgetting another one) usually helps to sort this stuff out.

by cheech99 on Feb 19, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Who’s in charge of maintaining the Regular Setback Schedule?

by woodsmeister on Feb 20, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a tough one, as I’m torn between Hannahan/Duncan with Chiz at 3B, and Duncan/Cunningham with Chiz in AAA. I’d love to see Chiz as the opening day 3B, because I think it’s worth the upside. But I’m curious about what Cunningham can do as a RHB off the bench, and I’d be a little disappointed if we lost him on waivers after trying to send him down, when we lost Judy to get him.

In the end, I went with Hannahan/Duncan with Chiz at 3B. Let’s not forget that Hannahan had arguably his best offensive year last year (2007 was a higher OPS+, but it was only in 144 ABs, vs. 320 last year). Chiz may not be a Gold Glove 3B, but I don’t think he’s a bad 3B (at least he’s not Miggy-bad), and I expect him to be a much better hitter than Hannahan. Considering our need for offense, I think I’d rather have Chiz and Hannahan than Hannahan and Cunningham.

by barsham on Feb 19, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

I voted Duncan/Canzler with Chisenhall starting at Columbus, but in truth I’m hoping for a Jose Lopez revival that would make him Hannahan’s platoon partner at 3b (replacing Canzler). I know that is not a perfect platoon, given Hannahan’s splits, but I like this bench (so long as Brantley, Sizemore, and Choo are all healthy).

by ken from alexandria on Feb 19, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

My big complaint with that approach is our only OF depth on the roster is then Duncan and Donald…neither of whom can play CF

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would assume Brantley is the backup CF even with Cunningham, Neal, Spilbourghs, and Lewis on the bench. I would guess the only one that could bump him from that role is Pie.

by callmrplow on Feb 21, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess my other issue is that the Indians 40-man roster is currently pretty full in the infield. Asdrubal, Chisenhall, Kipnis, Donald, Kotchman, Hannahan and Phelps seem to be guaranteed spots. I doubt the team would DFA Juan Diaz after giving him a spot prior to the Rule 5 draft. That only leaves LaPorta and Canzler as replaceable infielders. And all of this with only two catchers on the 40-man roster. I suppose the addition of an infielder would come at the expense of an OFer on the roster, though, where there is more wiggle room.

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like an argument for Duncan/Cunningham.

by ken from alexandria on Feb 19, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Signifying that we’ve given up on Hafner, apparently.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted other, but I missed the one I wanted to vote for, Cunningham/Duncan, because I was looking for Duncan/Cunningham. Oops.

by jefftribe on Feb 19, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Almost did the same thing, then read them again and saw it.

I would love Chiz to rake for 162 games, but Hannahan’s valuable enough to let Chiz start in AAA.

by westbrook on Feb 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

There has been a near constant 50:50 divide between people who want Chisenhall to start in Cleveland and those who want him to start in Columbus so far.

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Here is the Bastian piece on Garland, which doesn’t really provide any information except that the Indians don’t expect any updates on Garland’s status till later this week.

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

Unless he really underwhelms in spring, I hope to see Chisenhall at 3rd Opening Day

by tr1betime on Feb 19, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Flip it for me – I want to see Chiz impress and clearly “win” the starting 3B spot.

I wish there was an option for “No doubt, clear-cut winner to claim the spot” – but I’ve been looking for that option for many years.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Feb 19, 2012 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cunningham/Duncan. Let’s see what they’ve got without rushing Lonnie back up.

Gator4God sitting at a whopping 3%

by johnf34 on Feb 19, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Jay, any service time games to be played with any of our young bucks?

by Brick. on Feb 19, 2012 9:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Chisenhall is really the only young buck in the mix, and they’d have to keep him in the minors clear through August in order to set his clock back. He’s more or less right where they want him at this point.

Given the narrow window — and I am a believer in that concept for the moment — I can’t see them not going with their best players at every point this season.

I do think there’s a good chance they’ll keep LaPorta from getting 86 days in the majors this season, which he’d need in order to reach arbitration. But even in his case, if they think the roster’s better with him at any point, especially as an everyday player, I don’t think they’ll hesitate.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

LaPorta … reach arbitration

I would love to be a fly on the wall at that hearing.

Boras would probably have an assistant attend the hearing—else he’d have to find a response to
“HE WAS IN THE MINORS FOR 35% OF THE SEASON, YOU BLOWHARD!”

by westbrook on Feb 20, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the legwork. Interesting about LaPorta.

by Brick. on Feb 20, 2012 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You’re welcome.

Keep in mind, the new CBA moved the bar a bit, and nobody knows exactly how far. It’s now 22% of Super Two players who reach arbitration rather than 17%. The cutoff generally was between 126 and 140 days, so clubs could set 125 days with some confidence and 120 if they wanted to play it safe.

Five percent of the season is about nine days, but my guess is that on top of the nine days, teams will be even more conservative than usual this first year under the new math. So I’m figuring 110 with confidence and 105 to play it safe.

That means, rather than a June 5-ish first-time callup for top prospects who are killing it — 122 days in June-September minus five is 117 — we’re probably looking at more like June 20-25.

Of course, that cutoff doesn’t matter for LaPorta, because there’s the secondary requirement of spending 86+ days in the majors during the current season. If he reaches that, he’ll be way over the 22% mark.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If by “keep it in mind”, you mean “put it in your mind in the first place”, will do. I didn’t know this till you just laid it out nice and pretty like that. Very interesting, so it really probably puts prospect clammor off a full month. Wondering if this causes less teams to wait.

by Brick. on Feb 20, 2012 10:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why are you being so nice?

It makes me think you’re about to abandon us again.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I always really appreciate this content. Because getting your cliff’s notes saves a crap load of reading and research, nevermind comprehension.

by Brick. on Feb 21, 2012 12:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

this

I like ex-Phillies prospects.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 21, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The fact that we’re even having this discussion with Hannahan is pretty amazing. When he broke camp with the team opening day 2011, I’d bet no one expected him to be the starting 3rd baseman opening day 2012. He deserves this.

by tr1betime on Feb 19, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

We had a poll last year during spring training about who should be the starting 3B and Hannahan easily won. Not the same thing as the starter for 2012, but we were pretty happy with the prospect of Hannahan a year ago.

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty amazed at how handily Duncan/Canzler is out-polling Duncan/LaPorta

by APV on Feb 19, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Are you really surprised?

I just want to believe.

by mjmarble on Feb 20, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Only means that Canzler means nothing to us.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes Canzler represents something the populous hasn’t seen before, which is presumed to be better than what was seen and determined as lacking. It’s mostly subjective emotional vile against Laporta (though objectively, this would lead anyone to believe that on the whole within this community their is a near consensus that Laporta creates a vile response from a Cleveland fan).

I also believe, in reverse, this is what is probably working against Cunningham and in favor of Hannahan. Unfortunately there isn’t much that separates most of these players, other than player options/contract situations and obviously position flexibility. Projected talent level will probably be a distant third behind those first two categories in the final decision.

by hans on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

“their” should be “there”

by hans on Feb 20, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

“populous” should be “populace”

by JulioBernazard on Feb 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t get me started.

by YoDaddyWags on Feb 20, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

A good catch, the adjective incorrectly in place of the noun.

by hans on Feb 20, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t give a crap if Canzler gets additional seasoning at AAA. I’d love to see Laporta get some and have something finally click.

by westbrook on Feb 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hannahan and Duncan (with Chisenhall starting at 3B) it is…

So here is the LGT consensus pre-spring training 25-man roster:

Jimenez
Masterson
Tomlin
Lowe
Garland (who still has yet to sign)
Perez
Pestano
Sipp
Smith
Perez
Hagadone
Wheeler
Santana
Marson
Kotchman
Kipnis
Cabrera
Chisenhall
Donald
Hannahan
Brantley
Sizemore
Choo
Duncan
Hafner

by APV on Feb 21, 2012 5:41 AM EST reply actions  

74 wins

Len Barker Perfect Game Attendee

by PortlandVinny on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Chisenhall starting wit Hanahan around for defense and in case Chisenahll sucks it up. I’m OK with Duncan getting the other spot.

by Cols714 on Feb 21, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

In my heart, I wanted Chisenhall starting with Hannahan and Duncan on the bench. In my head, I went with Hannahan starting with Cunningham and Duncan on the bench. Options and depth are my main motivation at this point.

by callmrplow on Feb 21, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

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