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Signed OF David Dellucci to a Three-Year, $11.5M Contract
First, a quick overview of David Dellucci.
David was originally drafted by the Baltimore Orioles in 1995, and made it to AA by the end of the next season. He made his major-league debut with the Orioles towards the tail end of the 1997 season, and was drafted by the Arizona Diamondbacks in that winter's Expansion Draft. He was a regular for Arizona in the first year of their existence, but was reduced to a reserve outfielder after that. He was dealt to the Yankees in a semi-interesting deadline deal in 2003. After the season, he signed with the Texas Rangers, where he got regular at-bats over the next two seasons. He was dealt to the Phillies before the 2006 season, and hit .292/.369/.530 in 264 at-bats.
Dellucci's strength is hitting against right-handed pitching (career .263/.348/.449). His defense is such that he should only be playing in left field. Platooning in left field with Jason Michaels would make a lot of sense. It also creates a logjam in the outfield, which the Indians should use to address other needs.
The contract isn't all that bad, considering what other outfielders have been getting, and it shouldn't preclude the Indians from making a move that they could have made before the signing. In fact, I'd wager that this signing will directly lead to further deals. Ryan Garko could be used to procure a better closer than the free agent market holds. Jason Michaels could be used to land a decent reliever. And so forth.
In isolation, it's a nice deal, but other moves have to be made for it to look good in the big offseason picture.
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I saw this news on my plane ride back home this evening and was incredibly angry. I don't understand why Shapiro was spending ANY time talking to ANY hitters.
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There is something in the works - which I have a feeling there is. As far as a trade is concerned. Why else would he sign Dellucci for 3 years if he is virtually only around for the same reason the team brought in Hollandsworth last year. My guess is that there is something going on with Blake, Garko, Choo, Micheals and/or Guittierrez.
But it better be big, because any time Shapiro spent courting Dellucci is time he took away from figuring out the bullpen situation.
by Brandini on Nov 28, 2006 2:33 AM EST reply actions
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While we don't know what Shap. is up to, it is hard to conclude anything but the following:
- LF anno. 2007 will be Delucci/Michaels (a fine if uninspiring platoon at a reasonable price)
- Gutz can be moved and is decent bait because: a) he's still unproven but teams are dying for CF options, b) Crowe is a year away in the wings, c) neither Gutz nor Crowe were being counted on for 2007, nor would either replace Grady in CF, and d) if necessary, Francisco can be brought up as OF replacement (would Gutz currently give a great deal more than BenFranc?)
- vs. RH the lineup can be (going left to right to first): Delucci/Grady/Choo/Blake), vs. LH the lineup can be: Michaels/Grady/Blake/Vic, with Shoppach behind the plate--and I think they believe this lineup will produce at/above 2006 levels.
4. in 2008 one would expect Crowe to be in the OF and Delucci/Choo platooning with someone RH currently in AA/AAA (Goleski, Barton) whom they hope will develop into a viable option. First base will be something to sort out later.
In short: Garko and Gutz gone, closer (Shields or Gonzalez) found.
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Gutz probably is gone, but I'm less sure about Garko. I have a feeling that Wedge won't let go easily of him, as he liked him enough to bat him (a rook) in the 4 hole. That's a pretty rare endorsement for a young player from Wedge.
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Peralta - .700
Marte - .685
Barfield - .675
....combined with iffy production from youngsters Choo and Garko, I thought we looked potentially weak vs righties. Blake is never a sure thing either. Only 3 good bats for sure vs righties...Pronk/Grady/VMart. Dellucci gives us another boost, with Michaels or Gutz likely out of the picture. Michaels may not be worth the salary he'll get to only face lefties. D.D. could put up great #s batting between Grady and Pronk and will be a nice lefty bat off the bench in PH situations.
Hopefully our young infield will produce better, along with Choo, but signing Dellucci is a smart precautionary move. He won't make so much that we can't still pay for some pitching. And when a kid(Crowe/Barton/etc.) is ready, D.D. will still have value as a platooner, bench player, or as a tradeable commodity....more value than Michaels for sure.
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The reason that Dellucci had so few at-bats following his 1998 season was a strange wrist injury/condition (something called Kienbock's disease). There is a nice timeline on his BP Pecota page.
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by drerikbrady on Nov 28, 2006 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
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Maude: Your goon squads certainly gave you the edge in the mobile snack business. But I'm afraid we've outdone you once again. Hiroshi, Yukio...
[steps aside to reveal a group of armed Japanese]
Perhaps you've heard of the Yakuza -- the Poison Fists of the Pacific Rim -- the Japanese mafia.
Agnes: They'll kill ya five times before you hit the ground!
The two groups step forward, and soon the Simpsons' yard is the theater of punches and flying ninja stars.
Marge: Homie, maybe we should go inside.
Homer: But, Marge, that little guy hasn't done anything yet. Look at him.
[the man in white suit stands still amidst the fight]
He's going to do something and you know it's going to be good.
[Marge pulls him back into the house and shuts the door]
[inside, a loud ninja yell can be heard, followed by a thump]
Homer: Aw...
Shapiro is the little Japanese mobster in the white suit...
by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 28, 2006 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
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Who else went searching for an image of that little guy in the white suit?
by The DiaTriber on Nov 28, 2006 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
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If we could get away with trading Blake, Michaels, or less proven commodities for Shields or another reliever, I would be all for this.
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That's a good way to parse it, but are you sure it leads where you think it does? I don't know who your theoretical $7-8 million reliever is, and I don't think you know either.
In a market where Baez gets $6 million, do you really think Garko + Baez-plus is going to be better than Dellucci and Shields? I don't.
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I'm still getting used to the idea of paying so much for a guy who throws 70 (high leverage) innings a year. I guess my point is, if Shapiro makes a trade for a reliever, what we're really doing is spending $7-8 million on a reliever, which is a lot of money for a team like the Indians. It's over 10% of the year's budget for a pitcher that pitches <5% of the innings.
This just fits in with a bigger complaint I have about the Indians, in that they seem to spend money in $1-4 million dollar pieces on backups and mediocre starters like Alex Cora, Jose Hernandez, and Boone. Having legitimate backups is nice, especially for a team like the Red Sox or Yankees who can afford it. But for a team like the Indians who are probably going to get some breaks to win, I think investing in backups, relievers, and average players is a good way to have average seasons.
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by Tribe Alive on Nov 28, 2006 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
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- Hit both righties and lefties well. His career splits don't peg him as a platoon player, of which the Indians seem to have plenty right now.
- Flash some bat in the middle of the order. He does his homework and keeps his head. With the rest of the infield due to hit 7-8-9 (and strike out, oh, 120 times apiece), well...SOMEBODY'S got to bat 5th. It may as well be the guy who's shown some competence up there.
- Stay healthy. He's got no injury history. Casey Blake, on the other hand, is starting to show some fragility. If we trade Garko, who backs up Blake at first? Luna? (Just...threw up in my mouth a bit...)
- Make good decisions in the field. He's obviously a smart guy, and you can partly make up for a lack of athleticism at first with good positioning, knowing when to make a cut-off, etc. Scott Hatteberg was also once an oldish converted catcher at first base, and I don't hear many complaints about his defense anymore. And, the easiest projection of all...
- Be cheap. Garko showed one thing above all else last year: He's f'n sick of Buffalo, and he played as if league minimum salary was Solomon's treasure.
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I would guess Blake and his 25+HR would bring in a little more.
by Brandini on Nov 28, 2006 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
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by woodsmeister on Nov 29, 2006 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
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by woodsmeister on Nov 29, 2006 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
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Also...Consider that Casey was resigned by the Tigers for 1yr at 4million, that isn't much of a confidence booster for a high average, low power, good clubhouse guy. In addition to that, look how little the Reds were willing to gain when trading for him.
Another alright comparison is Caseys FA contract this offseason v. Frank Thomas'. Thomas has a contract for up to 3yrs at 28million. The difference between these two; defence (Thomas plays none), a good clubhouse presence (I believe Thomas has been tabbed as a cancer recently v. Casey who is called "the govenor" - unless that is in reference to "the worst governor of all time"), oh, and power (Thomas can mash, Casey can't) - I suppose you could add average into this equation, something agian in Casey's favor.
So why is it that the guy who doesn't play D, is a poor clubhouse guy, has a low average however hits with power would merit a contract of such greater value? Hes also 5 years younger! I think the reasoning is because a guy with power is more - I want to say valuable, but that is in terms of league value - more, appreciated then the guy who has more hits for average and is a "good guy".
So that is why I believe Casey and his almost garunteed 25+ HR (not even mentioning his clubhouse presence, defensive flexibility and defensive ability) would be more attractive to teams then Ryan Garko. As everyone should remember, I'm Garkos biggest fan and think he will be a phenomenal major leaguer. I'm not sure many major league scouts or exec's would think the same way (think Kendry Morales).
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That being said I think that there is no "ideal" at first base. I dare say the Tigers were pretty happy with him there last year. Players fit on certain teams. Some teams can use a decent defensive 1st baseman who hits .300 with little power because they make up for it elsewhere. (Carlos Guillen at SS, for example). Casey is a great fit for those teams. Is he a good fit for a team that needs more power? Of course not, but on a team that can already score a ton he is just fine. "Ideal" even
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I would guess Blake and his 25+HR would bring in a little more.
I should have been more consistent when discussing Casey Blake as I referred to him as both "Blake" and "Casey".
Sean Casey is more likely to hit 5hr than to hit 25.
This furthers my point that teams would be more interested in Blake then Garko.
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Garko will cost $1.2 million for the next three years combined, and still bargain rates for the next three years after that. I think Sean Casey would be considered an immensely valuable player IF he were making the minimum.
Which means that if Garko plays like Casey, at his salary, he's extremely valuable. Even in this "GMs Gone Wild" environment. Maybe especially in it, considering how few teams can truly participate in "the new math."
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Did they get rid of draft pick compensation?
I personally like Garko, especially on the Indians. I just don't see teams in need of a young 1B giving up much for him. In the trade market I would rank him below Adrian Gonzalez and Lyle Overbay whom didn't net incredible players, yet valuable ones.
by Brandini on Nov 30, 2006 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
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Um, isn't that what we're using him for? Clearly the hope is that two players -- among Garko, Crowe, Gutierrez and Choo -- emerge to claim starting jobs in 2007.
In the trade market I would rank him below Adrian Gonzalez and Lyle Overbay whom didn't net incredible players, yet valuable ones.
I think Overbay has not proven out to have any more talent than Garko. And again, you're forgetting the cost factor. You really need to consider how attractive players are with some talent but almost no service time. That is the reason they hardly ever get traded.
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by drerikbrady on Nov 30, 2006 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
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Plus, agents want to make their clients look as good as possible. Maybe the Indians promised 400 ABs, a number they can reasonably get him to. It's not that outrageous for an agent to construe 400 abs as a starter. I mean it qualifies and everything, right?
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I'm also sure the agent doesn't say that unless he's been assured his player won't be sitting against lefties on a regular basis.
My guess is that Choo and Dellucci alternate sitting against lefties -- in favor of Garko, not Michaels. Wouldn't that make sense anyway?
Ultimately it's the team's call, but it hurts the team in the long run if they're perceived as untrustworthy.
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Reading stuff like this from envious fans on other boards always makes me happy....it's such a good feeling to know our GM is not just competent, but one of the best, perhaps THE best, in the business.
Yes, I have a complete man-crush on Shapiro.
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It's the Coco Crisp thing all over again, this guy isn't going to be that valuable to us in left field. I still think Gutierrez is more valuable to us as the cheap, backup centerfielder/possible right handed hitting platoon. Now you have Dellucci for 3 years.
You also get the feeling that Choo's defense in RF is something we're going to want to keep for the foreseeable future.
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how does Dellucci's projected performance compare to what we might have expected from Iwamura in left?
i guess it will also depend on how much Iwamura ends up signing for, but all in all, does it seem like we got the better deal of the two?
i really have no idea, so i'm wondering what everyone's opinions are.
i can't claim to be excited about a marginal upgrade in offense, as i don't really see how that solves any of our problems... but it does bring me comfort to know that we can trust Shapiro to seldom do anything phenomenally stupid (which is more than you can say of most GMs).
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He also bemoaned the Crisp/Marte deal some more. He ranted about how the FO clearly has no faith in Marte if we were trying to sign "a Japanese 3d baseman." It was annoying to hear someone who supposedly is in tune with Cleveland sports complain about that when we were trying to sign him as a LF and he didn't even know the guy's name.
It is idiots like Roda that make being an Indians fan hard sometimes. Sorry to vent all of that... I like this move to an extent. It would be great if Dellucci hit 20+ HR's again but at this time last year I was hoping for the same thing from J-Mike.
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I can't tell you how often I drive around (on the road during the day), as my blood pressure rises, listening to the ignorance of Cleveland Sports Radio and the sheep that throw in their "take".
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It's actually a pretty insigtful show and Underwood doesn't just shill for the club.
It was in this forum that Shapiro intimated that there was a chance that Garko goes back to Buffalo in 2007.
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"Before reaching terms with free-agent outfielder David Dellucci, the Indians thought they had a deal with Frank Catalanotto, only to get trumped by the Rangers' last-minute offer. Dellucci, 33, offers more power than Catalanotto, 32, and is a better defender. Catalanotto is a better contact hitter and would have fit nicely as the Indians' No. 2 hitter."
by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 29, 2006 12:09 AM EST reply actions
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by Brandini on Nov 30, 2006 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
5 outfielders?
by fleerdon on Nov 29, 2006 2:39 PM EST reply actions
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vs RHP: .286/.352/.446, BB/K: 28/70
vs LHP: .272/.366/.561, BB/K: 17/23
casey hit 9 HR in 287 ABs against RHP (.031HR/AB); he hit 10 HR in 114 ABs against LHP (.088HR/AB).
this isn't to say that blake is incompetent against RHP, but the -.129 OPS vs. RHP suggests he hit LHP harder and to greater effect. can we agree that his rate numbers, particularly OBP, would benefit at least marginally from seeing fewer righties? the question becomes whether choo would be able to outproduce blake's line against RHP, and i submit that the evidence tends toward yes.
choo vs. RHP: .281/.361/.475, BB/K: 17/43
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Whether that means that Luna or Inglett doesn't factor into the 2007 plans shouldn't be too much of a concern at this point in the off-season. But one of them is unlikely to start 2007 on the 25-man.
by The DiaTriber on Nov 29, 2006 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
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I remember being at one of Lofton's first games and thinking to myself, "wow, this guy's a lot like Alex Cole---but even better"
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"If it's any comfort, the Indians' marketing department is likely to produce a Dellucci bobblehead that probably will bring at least six bucks on eBay."
I've never seen this guy, but I picture someone resembling Andy Rooney.
by BoDiaz1974 on Nov 30, 2006 2:53 PM EST reply actions
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Seriously.
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