Game Thread: May 17, 2007

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love day games - they make the work day fly...

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions

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Ditto, I was too stupid to look at the calendar though. If I had I would've have scheduled a dental cleaning for 12:30 today. Be back soon.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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wouldn't, not would've

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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You're in Chicago right? Where do you work? I'm at Lake and Michigan.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

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yep. river north (erie and franklin)

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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Fausto, the Johan killer. He's a modern day Chuck Finley.

Peralta's having his Santana day off

by exer on May 17, 2007 12:11 PM EDT reply actions

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Wow. A sinker at 96 mph. Geez. 3 outs, ten pitches.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions

Pitches like that are why I don't think comparisons between Carmona & Sowers are all that great. Yeah, like Sowers, Carmona doesn't K a lot of guys, but he's got the stuff to do it if he's not getting them to pound the ball into the turf.

by zempf on May 17, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions

+1 - agreed! :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 17, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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Dick's ad count: 1. If you don't have MLB.tv, they used to just black out the commercials & play Pong or Pac-Man while on breaks. Now they seem to have sold ad spots to Dick's sporting goods, but they run the SAME DAMN AD every time there's a commercial break, which gets old really really fast.

I miss Hafner hitting the ball.

by zempf on May 17, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions

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Can't believe I missed the pie replay.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions

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Nice, Travis.

Our best hope here might be to elevate the pitch count. And obviously this team specializes in that.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 12:20 PM EDT reply actions

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And Vic goes first pitch swinging.

Guess I can't blame him, he hits everything.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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why, what happened, am only on gamecast

by talonk on May 17, 2007 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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"Gary Matthews good year, Mike, is an off year for Torii Hunter."

"What a pickup this guy has been, Mike Redmond, for the Twins."

I always thought that there should be a Tuffy Rhodes action figure, just because it sounds like the kind of name you'd give to an action figure.

Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

This is like Christmas in May.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions

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Aww, thought I was going to miss out on the Dick's ad that time. No such luck.

by zempf on May 17, 2007 12:38 PM EDT reply actions

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At 4.30am I prefer it to pacman.

by new zealand tribe fan on May 17, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions

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Someone may have commented on this before, but you are a REALLY good Indians fan. I mean, REALLY. Only sporting event I've ever watched in the wee hours was the 2002 World Cup.

by NickFantana on May 17, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions

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Anyone else lose the sound on the mlb.tv feed? I can't hear anything (but the Dick's commercial still worked, yay).

ManRam dongs one, Red Sox up 1-0 early in first half of doubleheader.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions

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How long before we see a Youtube parody of the Dick's commercial? I'm giving it 4 days. Cubs fan: "It's about being really really really fat."

by supermarioelia on May 17, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions

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Andrew, in what fanstasy world did you think the Twins were going to trade Morneau to us?

by Jay on May 17, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions

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After Morneau's 2005? He OPSed 741 and the Twins were pretty down on him, as I recollect. It's probably a pipe dream but at the time I was imagining some combination of guys like Garko/Blake and some pitching.

It was just one of those things where there were rumors about shopping Morneau (there was an absurd Koskie-Morneau deal that was floated around the nets) and the need was so apparent for Cleveland.

Still, it's inter-division, etc etc.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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I don't know, didn't look like much of a DP ball to me. He barely got Morneau as it is, and it looked like the runner went on contact.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions

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Well at least he got one

by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on May 17, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions

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Are they making Anderson read all the promos as a way of proving he's worthy of the booth? Poor guy has next to no television experience and they've already got him reading copy.

by NickFantana on May 17, 2007 12:58 PM EDT reply actions

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Seems to me that reading copy is easier than improvising without making an ass out of yourself -- as so many broadcasters demosntrate every day.

So would that have been a base hit without the shift?

by talonk on May 17, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

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Damn, almost. At least we're hitting him, maybe Vic can get something in a gap.

by CU Adam on May 17, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

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Or ground into a fielder's choice on the first pitch.

by CU Adam on May 17, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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Man, I just woke up... forgot it was a day game. See we're being two-hit by Santana. How's Fausto doing... I mean, aside from the 0 on the board.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

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Just woke up? Haha, that was me a year ago

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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Carmona and Santana in a nice duel so far. Sanatana 52 pitches in four innings. Only 2 hits, but 6Ks. Carmona, 53 pitches, 2 hits, 2 walks and 2 Ks but a DP as well.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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Thanks guys, and yeah... I'm really enjoying the whole "no more school" thing!

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

He tries much to hard to be funny and fails, which would be fine if he didn't also fail at play-by-play and call people by the wrong name 50% of the time.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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Ahh, Garret Jones. Future ML superstar.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions

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That $48 in the team shop = seats deal is pretty sweet.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions

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Heck yes, and the seats are pretty good, too.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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I've decided Brandini was right all along. Byrd and Carmona clearly are no better than any other team's #5 and #6 pitchers.

A, dare I say it, gritty single bunt by Punto?

by talonk on May 17, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions

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Dammit Punto.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions

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You cannot talk about Rondell White being on teh DL and act like it's a blow to a team, Hamilton. His name is RonDL. Expecting Rondell White to play and contribute 162 games is ridiculous.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions

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NEVAH EVAH

by zempf on May 17, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

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That small ball was really, really effective. How will we ever win games with Victor behind the plate???

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions

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Aw man, that had grit written all over it.

Dude, you gotta love Hammy.

Pitch count for the lazy?

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

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BALK

Awesome

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions

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No balk, right? Morneau just bounced the throw.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

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Definitely. Even though we have a "rivalry" game with Cinci, I couldn't care less. It was pretty exciting when I lived in Chicago when the Cubs and Sox play, (and when the S, and I suppose it's a big deal in NY, but otherwise I think it's a waste.

by CU Adam on May 17, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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Nice!

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply actions

F this Rouse nonesense. He can neither hit nor play defense.

Sigh.

Bench player. Feel better now.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

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Normally I'd be pissed, but it was Mike Rouse. You couldn't have expected something positive there.

by ASP on May 17, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

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Nice move by Michaels taking 3B. Manning pointed out that the OF was playing quite shallow with Rouse at the plate, runner on 2B and two outs.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

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Gamecast said he advanced the WP, is there a bigger explanation for that play, other than heads up baserunning?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

It's about the $8 beers.

by zempf on May 17, 2007 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

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Oh, and I'd rather have Peralta. Yeah, you have to get Rouse playing time, but are we really just giving up on Peralta v. Santana. It's a done deal? He never gets a chance again? Seems like an overreation.

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 1:31 PM EDT reply actions

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The Reds have the grosses uniforms of all time.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply actions

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Nah, those ugly brown and yellow ones the Padres use to wear are WAY more hideous.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

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The Astros rainbow uniforms. Enough said.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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I actually liked the Astors old unis.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

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How about when the Pirates wore those cylindrical style hats?

by APV on May 17, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

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Those hats are hillllllllllllllarious.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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I dunno, man...

by zempf on May 17, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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Thank you Mike, my point exactly.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions

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See, but those are now ironically sweet. Is that jose cruz sr?

I DID MY PROJECT ON THE DINOSAURS THEY LIVED MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO <<gong sound. child dies.>>

Enough of those ads. They absolutely wreck me.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

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I love you man.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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Hey, where's our movie poster?

by Jay on May 17, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, no kidding!

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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Man I liked those Astros squads .... Scott, Richard, Ryan .... Cabell, Garner, Cruz, Ashby ... good times.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Karmona

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions

Ugh. We need real Hafner.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 1:43 PM EDT reply actions

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Man, so I guess this Santana guy is pretty decent. I've never really heard of him before.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 1:43 PM EDT reply actions

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What's funny is I'm sure there are a lot of people honestly saying those words about Dr. Faust.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

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Seriously. I'm really glad I got to see him pitch a bunch in single A

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

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Me no hit ball.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 1:45 PM EDT reply actions

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That's harsh, but I chuckled.

by APV on May 17, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

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GARKO!!!

K

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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See Erik, you got your wish. Indians lead 2-0, I got my QS out of Santana, and in fact with 11Ks, will still end up with around a 20 or 25 point start. I can take that ....

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

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Alright, you can stay. But you didn't see me, I was banished a little ways up the thread.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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Dean, no offense, but I am totally rooting for us to score no fewer than five runs off Santana in the 8th, put this thing out of reach.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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None taken, but do you think he comes back out with his pitch count already over 100?

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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Kind of. We've kind of murdered their pen depth this series, but I could see Neshek coming out.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

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Oh hey Jay...this is awkward...what am I doing here? Ahh, I was just leaving....

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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Go Barfield go.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions

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Okay, nobody tell Fausto that the next inning is the ninth.

by thejamootz on May 17, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

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Wow, a Chesterland reference. Who the hell's from Chesterland (besides me)?

by zempf on May 17, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

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I have a buddy that lives in Concord... I'm from Willowick myself.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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Well gamecast doesnt say anyone is up in the pen, so I guess Johan will be out for the 8th.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

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Never mind.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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"He deserves to finish?" Screw that, he deserves to win.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions

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97 pitches . . . .

Do you send Borowski out?

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That is not very nice of you to do such things ...

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, that's just wrong.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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I'm just sayin'...

Sometimes you get greedy trying to get guys complete games and you end up blowing the lead.

Or was it the Jason Boyd appearance that gave you the willies?

by thejamootz on May 17, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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jamootz in the lead for most-negative-comments-of-the-day award.

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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let's jump on rincon like he's ricardo

BP is totally quiet?

Ugh.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 2:13 PM EDT reply actions

nervous nervous nervous

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

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let's roll

JoBo's up in the pen good

by APV on May 17, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions

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Luis was pinch hitting in that situation because of his 669 OPS vs RHP.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

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CASEY!

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

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He goes 3-1 to Rodriguez and gets him to line out to LOBlake. Nice.

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Great play all around.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

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Bring in Borowski

by APV on May 17, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions

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Hmmm, now what?

2 down

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions

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2 more strikes!

by tborish on May 17, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

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Game over. Wedge = genius. Carmona = average #6 starter.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

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by far the most i've been into a game this year.

by MikeCP on May 17, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

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CG Shutout. Move over Sowers

by JK in CBus on May 17, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

High fives, anyone have a broom handy?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

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Bring out the brooms.

by mplswahoo on May 17, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

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SWEEP! SWEET!

by JulioBernazard on May 17, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

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John Kruk is a genious.

by oxforddave on May 17, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

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The decision to skip Sowers looks like a genius one .....

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions

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My excitement is tempered-120 pitches??

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My MLBTV is exhausted.

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

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You'd think this one has got to get some very decent BBTN coverage, no?

by mplswahoo on May 17, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

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Unfortunately probably not.

by doowop on May 17, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, I agree, no Yankees or Red Sox, no major coverage. Especially with the Red Sox and Tigers playing two today.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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Don't get your hopes up too high. There are 2 Red Sox games and a Yankees game to disect today ...

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

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Great game for a real fan.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

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Words fail..

by exer on May 17, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

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by Ryan on May 17, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

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That is one handsome broom.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

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It's actually a fire fighting broom (who knew?)

by Ryan on May 17, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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Fausto, no need to renew your apartment lease in buffalo.

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

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If I was at home, I'd go out and sweep the patio!!!

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions

I don't think I've seen a single player with a WPA that high yet this season. Isn't that ridiculously high?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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just don't get too excited and start speeding...

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

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I gotta watch out for that. It's true. :P

by AngG on May 17, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions

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Vic's in the pie seat

by JK in CBus on May 17, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

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This is great, great news.

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How many K's for Dr. Faust today?

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions

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Only 4 vs 2 walks

by talonk on May 17, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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How about this stat: 14-3 at home

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2007 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

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And isn't it 12-2 at the Jake?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

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That is correct

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

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I like that.

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Detroit's lineup can't let Tavarez, who walked 4 guys, get away with just 100 pitches through 7 innings. That's just a bad approach against a guy with bad command.

by APV on May 17, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions

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They've got to be very very frustrated. They have kept Boston to 2 runs, and can't get ahead with Freddy on the mound.

But we'll see what Jones does against that lineup.

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

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this may be just me or does Tavarez look like he just got in a bar fight?

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions

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Or perhaps just spent his first night in prison?

by Jay on May 17, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

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A prison where they serve alcohol, perhaps.

by afh4 on May 17, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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Anyone remember the Tavarez BW-3 commercials from back in the day?

"BW-3 in the flats is the perfect place to go following a game. But not during the game..."

Thank you for not responding the point.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

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Your logic = hilarious.

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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It's dizzying.

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Jose Mesa should have two gameday pictures. One for when he faces Omar Vizquel, and one for everyone else.

by APV on May 17, 2007 3:06 PM EDT reply actions

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Mesa vs. Manny.

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Who wants a mustache ride?

by Nat on May 17, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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So 90 minutes into a Sal Fasano Special, you'd accept it if he were left-handed?

by Nat on May 17, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

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Why does milb.com say that Laffey is "filling in" for Miller today?

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

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Don't worry me. This does not sound good.

by oxforddave on May 17, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions

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Easy now... Miller has a "bruised" middle finger in his pitching hand and is being skipped at least once in the rotation. Not serious, but he did get it from pitching (rather than flipping the bird in a very cramped space), so I'd guess they'll be careful about the possibility of reinjury.

BTW, Carmona officially jumped Sowers in my book.

by mcrose on May 17, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions

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does fausto's emergence (and the future of adam miller) make a trade of paul byrd more likely or does this just give us time to send sowers down and keep miller in the minors?

BillyBeast

by willthompson @ Let's Go Tribe! on May 17, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions

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I'd hold onto the pitching depth as long as I could if I would Shapiro. I am quickly beginning to agree with sending Sowers down when Westbrook returns as well.

1 out, go ahead Boston, put us back into first.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

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I agree with Erik. We haven't even had three days this season with six healthy starters, so why should we act like it's to be expected? I think it's a fair guess that even after May is done, some combination of Sabathia, Lee, Westbrook and Byrd is going to miss some five to ten starts, possibly more.

Even if it did mean Carmona had to go down for another few weeks, I would be okay with it. Six starters sounds good to me.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

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You still think it should be Carmona in Buffalo and not Sowers?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 17, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions

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No, that's not what I said. It is looking more like Sowers at this point, that's obvious. I'm just saying, given the choice between sending Carmona down and trading someone away, I'd send Carmona down without regret.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, that I totally agree with. I recognize that options are an issue since Carmona's has already been burned this year unfortunately. But if Carmona continues to pitch like this, I just don't see how they could possibly make that choice.

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This is O/T, but I was annoyed to see Wedge's comments about stretching Mujica out into a long reliever. I guess that was Davis' role, but it seems like a misplacement of Mujica's talents, and experience.

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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You know, we forget in all of this back-and-forth, it was actually Sowers who jumped Carmona on the depth chart a year ago. And he did it not because he outpitched Carmona, but because the Indians had put Carmona into the big-league bullpen out of desperation, and he was kicking ass there.

If not for that development, Sowers probably stays in Buffalo another month (last season) while Carmona is establishing himself in the rotation, and Sowers possibly opens 2006 as the sixth starter rather than Carmona.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, that's why them call them "options."

The wild card in all this: We still have an option on Cliff Lee.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

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I option Lamp!

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

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Sorry, should have been "opens 2007 as the sixth starter" there.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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all anything any of them do this season, i feel, assures that we keep them all. we need the depth.

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

First place -- and even if the Tigers win tonight's game, still tied for first.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

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It's Schilling vs. Durbin tonight. A sweep is possible. But yeah, regardless, worst case is we're tied for 1st again. Happy days.

When we are comparing two guys with low strikeout ratios also, I am more inclined to go with the guy that throws a 95 mph sinker than a pitcher that throws under 90 but locates well.

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

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Taking DIPS ERA at full value is throwing out some of the relevant information. We could argue the details... but the main point is that no one here expects him to continue with a 2.55 era anyway. We're not idiots, but he doesn't have to have those kinds of results to be helpful. He's not really our ace. His G/F ratio and velocity suggest that he can be good, as long as his walks are low. There's no reason to think he can't be very valuable.

by dgcambridge on May 17, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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For this season, yes. Over the long haul, maybe not. He's only 23, and with what he's accomplished so far, who's to say he can't be an ace down the line?

by Jay on May 17, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

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See also above ... Carmona was a unique guy statistically before he ever got to Cleveland. Go back two years, if you had to pick five prospects with poor K rates to succeed in the majors, Carmona definitely makes that list.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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Was absolutely thinking the same thing earlier. Difference is in Carmona's lack of quality off-speed stuff and Sowers leftyism....I think in the end they may pan out to being similarly successful or average. However, right now I find it hard to justify anything but the utmost love for Carmona. His K rate seems to be low because he throws EVERYTHING around the plate. Quality pitches, but right around the plate. I doubt he will ever have much ability to rack up K's with that kind of pitching....and his low BABIP is a reflection of how putrid the balls hit into play really are.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on May 17, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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Crap. I knew staying up until 4 a.m. and watching Indians highlights from the last 2 years was a bad idea. Wake up and the game's already over.

Shooooooooot.

by Gradyforpresident on May 17, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions

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you didn't miss much. it was a pretty boring game.

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions

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A "boring" game and a strong thread are good enough for me.

by Gradyforpresident on May 17, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

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obviously (to me) it was one of the best games of the season. your presence was missed. que up mlb.tv's archive and watch it for sure...

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

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This from Rotoworld:

Ronnie Belliard went 0-for-3 with a walk Thursday in his second career start at shortstop.

The other came back in 1999 with the Brewers. With Josh Wilson gone, the Nats either have to shift Felipe Lopez back to short or go to Belliard when Cristian Guzman needs a day off. That they've opted for the latter is interesting, but it won't make much of a difference for fantasy purposes, not unless Belliard ends up as a regular somewhere else after the All-Star break.

Yikes, you though the Indians' range last year was bad, think about Belliard and Lopez up the middle...

by Ryan on May 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions

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What about a trade to the pitching starved D-Rays. I would do Cliff Lee or Westbrook and Gutz/Choo for Crawford.

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If I had to guess, they would ask for Lee/Westbrook, Gutz and Adam Miller/Lofgren. No way Shapiro gives up all that.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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And no way that's worth it.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on May 17, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

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Oh, and Crawford doesn't like to be a leadoff guy, he prefers to hit 2nd.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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Fine by me. You could do Grady, Crawford, Hafner, Martinez...

Or, in the future, have Barfield lead off followed by Crawford, Grady, Hafner, Martinez, and Garko. WOW...that would be serious!

by Tribe Alive on May 17, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

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Looks great, but then our rotation would be Westbrook/Lee, Carmona, Sowers, and what? Am expecting CC to be gone and Byrd not to be back next year. Too many hole sin the rotation that way.

by talonk on May 17, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

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Barfield will never leadoff for a manager who knows what he's doing. Few players make transformations like the ones Jose Reyes did and I am not expecting Barfield to be one of those people.

by Joe. on May 17, 2007 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

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Dude, this is not a fantasy league.

Crawford has a career OBP of .328. Against LHP, it's .312 -- and you want to put him in there in between two other lefty bats. Not smart.

That crummy OBP has a corrosive effect on the rest of the lineup, reducing RBI opportunities and letting starters go deeper into games. Basically, his whole approach goes against everything that makes this lineup work.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

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You guys are way off. Lee by himself is almost as valuable as Crawford, if not more.

Crawford is a 111 OPS+ guy. Big deal. So he's been a little better than that the past 40 games. Big deal.

You want to talk about overpaying for a guy we absolutely don't need, this is textbook.

Hey, while we're at it, let's sign Pudge.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Re: Game Thread: May 17, 2007

Taken from ESPN.com recap:

"That dude is filthy. ... If you've never played the game, listen to me, I'm a hitter. Right-handers have no chance unless they get lucky and get a hit on a broken bat."
-- Torii Hunter, on facing Carmona.

by Roger Dorn on May 17, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions

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"It's not normal," Torii Hunter said of Carmona's go-to pitch. "He's not even human. It was so scary, I thought I was hung over."

by Joe. on May 17, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions

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Cool. Carmona clearly must be in some kinda zone right now. I can't recall hearing such praise of Sowers after his shutouts last year.

by homelytourist on May 17, 2007 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

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That's because when Sowers is "on," batters can't figure out how he's getting them out. They figure they just had bad luck or guessed wrong. With Carmona, they know how he's getting them out.

by Jay on May 17, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

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"It was so scary, I thought I was hung over."

OMG how descriptive is that?!!

by portlandtribefan on May 17, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions

+1 - agreed! :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 17, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions

"In all my years of baseball, I haven't seen anything better than his stuff today," Twins right fielder Michael Cuddyer said.

by Brick. on May 17, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions

I love that feeling too!

Hello osoc13 and sbricker,

It's a great feeling to gain 1.5 games in a day and be in 1st place when the day is done. :-)

sbricker - I didn't hear that comment before; I heard Hunter's, Gardenhire's, and Santana's comments about Carmona, but that's a new one - it seems like the Twins were impressed. :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on May 18, 2007 12:52 AM EDT reply actions

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