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Game Thread: July 26, 2007

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Boston at Cleveland, 7:05 PM (STO)

Starting Pitchers:

Boston: Kason Gabbard (36.1 IP, 2.97 ERA, 22 PRC)
Cleveland: Sleepy Kitten (87.2 IP, 5.95 ERA, 24 PRC)

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Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
The Tigers just lost, 4-3 to the White Sox, on a throwing error in the bottom of the ninth.
Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I don't think I've ever seen a Tigers pitcher have a throwing error. Ever.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
oh snap.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Back from Philly (and a little trip to VA beach/Norfolk). Thanks to Jay and Chuck for the recommendations on where to go in Philly.

I had little to no info on what has been going on with the tribe, just trying to get caught up... Would really like to gain at least a split in this series. Gabbard isn't that good (4 BB/9), so maybe we can outslug boston tonight.

by hans on Jul 26, 2007 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
If we win tonight, we'll be 1/2 game out -- just a game back in the loss column.

by zempf on Jul 26, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Which version of Cliff Lee are we going to see tonight, sleepy or sharp?

by Seattle Tribe Fan on Jul 26, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It's been a while since we've seen the sharp one. He's given up 22 ER in his last 3 starts -- easily his best recent start was vs. TB on 7/1. Of course, since then his ERA has gone up a full run. Bleh.

by zempf on Jul 26, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Then again, he wasn't awful in his last start vs. Boston, in which he was relieved by 3 guys who aren't currently with us.

by zempf on Jul 26, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
this kason fella has been pretty good for them, but he is wild.  If we can be patient (but not too patient) we could tee off on him.

by MikeCP on Jul 26, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I comment on this below...Gabbard is ground ball guy.  I wonder if he's just a fluke? Or will he turn into a good starter?  Better so far than Taverez, or "Hatchet Face" as we call 'im.
Lurking Red Sox Fan

by B Cap on Jul 26, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I really wouldn't mind Lee sucking as much if he would at least show some emotion or interest in the game.  Hopefully last week's start woke him up.  Probably a good sign that Victor is catching tonight, too.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Greeting from the Other side
Hey guys,
Pepto Bismol anyone?

Jeez trading 1-0 games gives one a lot of fantastic pitching to feast on, but man it frays the nerves.  Hats off to Carmona - he was outstanding.

Sox fans are excited about this Gabbard kid.  If he can contain a really good team like the Indians maybe he's the real deal.  Doesn't get a lot of K's but works the lineup by forcing ground outs...better hope Boston's having a clumsy day in the field - that is the likely key here.  Forcing errors and stolen bases.

I haven't done my homework on Lee...does he just suck or is it a matter of bad luck and poor run support?  Judging by the monicker "Sleepy Kitten" I can imagine the answer.

Lurking Red Sox Fan

by B Cap on Jul 26, 2007 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Greeting from the Other side
Gabbard has BB 4 per game, has an extremely low BABIP just above .200, and has had 55% of batted balls go for GBs, not bad coupled with the 7 K per nine, but the walks and BABIP (when it corrects) are going to kill the kid. Lee is also bad, so like I said before if both offenses are on this could be pretty ugly.

by hans on Jul 26, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Sleepy Kitten might be the worst baseball nickname ever.
Sometimes you just gotta be lucky

by mauichuck on Jul 26, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
/bows
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I don't remember when and why he's called that.  Anyone?  
If it isn't self-evident, is it really a nickname at all?

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
ooof, grammer mishap

*when and why LGT labeled Cliff the Sleepy Kitten

J/W, btw

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
oh, just remembered to answer this!

My best friend (who does not really follow baseball, but occasionally humors me) started calling him that after she saw him give some just left the game interview on ESPN and he really looked like he needed a nap. It really doesn't make any sense, but I started calling him that. I have no reason why people here decided it was a good idea because it's kind of an inside joke kind of nickname. Then again, I find it very suiting.

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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
V-Mart is catching Lee tonight.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hey, so, here's a thought:

The Tigers have had one of the best records in MLB since June 1st. The Indians have been mediocre. If we win tonight, we're .5 games back.

Perspective people. This team has a run in it.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Not only that but the Yanks have to play the Tigers 8 times in August and the Red Sox have another 4 games with the White sox and very soft schedule.  What this means is that even if the Tigers take the division my money is definitely on the Tribe taking the Wildcard.
Lurking Red Sox Fan

by B Cap on Jul 26, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
shopvack not suddenly become SKs personal catcher.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
OT: Joe Thomas and Eric Wright signed in time for camp!

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Too bad their clubhouse is filled with shite. Rumor has it that it wasn't sewage stinking up the joint in Cleveland Browns Stadium, it was just the team in the locker room. zing!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
game is being delayed, tarp still on the field.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Good thing for me, there is a 15 minutes gap between work and home for me and I can't get the Tribe on the radio. With Lee pitching, that could mean the game would be 5-0 by the time I get home for the bottom of the first.

by columbus714 on Jul 26, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
This should be a fun night. I get to watch the STO broadcast on mlb.tv and the NESN broadcast on Rogers Sportsnet. Never watched both broadcasts at the same time before.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Cliff's 87.2 IP @ 5.95 ERA is a whole lot of suck, and mostly in line with trends.

That said, I think he makes it through the season for us, somehow, someway.  And that he'll be back next year too, in competition for a rotation spot.  He was injured, after all, and he still has that friendly contract.  

He absoltely has to not completely suck tonight.  

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
responding to myself:

completely wrong.  He's out.

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
This rain delay is glorious news for Cliff....he never wakes up before 7:30pm anyway.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It's raining? Not in PGH yet... I hear kittens hate rain.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
7:35 estimated start time

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 7:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm watching Lincecum against the Braves. This guy is TIIIIIIIIIIIIINY and he's throwing gas.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Bonds looks like a handicap playing the OF.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
And I'm talking to myself. Sweet.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
If it makes you feel better, I hate Mags too.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Keane and Schawbby saying that, aside from the normal number of scouts in minor league games, Washington and LA had representatives in Buffalo today. What would the Dodgers want?

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm calling it: Frank Robinson punches Pedroia before this game is over.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Here we go.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Kitty's on the prowl.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
how does one go about scoring some of those dugout suite seats?

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I think last night Terry Francona's dad was sitting in there.  It's not listed anywhere on the team website, so I'm guessing it's the uber-VIP box.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
all I know is there's a plethora of gorgeous ladies sitting in there nightly.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
well that was a nice inning, Cliff.

Do that eight more times.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
That was a beautiful inning.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I refuse to get excited about that 1st inning. Cliff has teased us this season many a time.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Did we just swing at the first pitch via a botched bunt? Grr..
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Is this going to be another 1-0 affair? I don't really want that...
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Manny being Manny.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Just wow.
Still in 1st in at least one of the LGT Fantasy Leagues.

by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
This Remy Red Sox Nation garbage is getting old. Give it up Jerry.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 7:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
481 footer from Manny... goodness gracious.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What? Manny just hit the 3rd longest homer in Jacobs Field history? Did I hear that right?

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Honest, I don't even know why Grady moved for it.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
That's what you heard.
1st: Thome
2nd: McGwire
3rd: Emmanuel
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
0-for-20
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I sincerely hope Cliff pulls it together tonight for a solid outing and a win.  I also sincerely hope that he's part of some trade and this is his last start with the Tribe.  I like the guy, think he's got a bad rap here an elsewhere.  I also think he'd be a much better pitcher in the NL - a very good career maybe.  I have absolutely no faith in him succeeding with us anymore.
Still in 1st in at least one of the LGT Fantasy Leagues.

by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wikipedia says that Frank Robinson got 89% in his HOF vote. WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR FRANK ROBINSON?

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
what kind of name is Kason anyway.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Sorry, Don Hartman of Parma... couldn't get you a gift card on the Giant Eagle bonus inning... should have picked a different part of the order- last 40 ABs for Pronk and Peralta... 2 hits.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hitting streak extension alert... there goes Lugo!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
If the runner from first scores here, I am 100% officially done with the Cliff Lee project. I'm sitting on 98% now, so he's still got 2% of me enjoying him left. Don't blow it, kitty cat.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Well, I'll put him at 99% for letting Lugo score, but nice job on the GIDP from jerkwad.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He just really doesn't fool anyone out there. Any outs just happen to be hit directly to one of our guys.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Just keep repeating to yourself....he's just a fifth starter!
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
what am I hearing on WTAM? A team medallion collection? I'm a sucker for collectibles.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Look in the PD coming up soon... forget the date, but I believe you'll find it in the paper. I imagine similar to the Cavs medallion series earlier in the year?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Why didn't the fans get in Lowell's way on that play?  Geez.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
GOODBYE BASEBALL
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Please don't trade him, please don't trade him, please don't trade him.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Feels good being the time machine for a change.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha, this sopcast thing is a bit slow, but it's all good

by Chief Wahoo on Jul 26, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I saw your post before I heard it... GameDay must be behind tonight. I was way ahead last night.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm watching it on TV via NESN tonight, as painful as it's been to watch them show every sign in the crowd from Rhode Island/Maine/Connecticut....

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You know what's bad? Walks.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Triple play time?
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
GUTZ.........sorry got stuck answering questions from an auditor.

by new zealand tribe fan on Jul 26, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
bleh. :P
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Get the bullpen up.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Stop trying to throw fastballs on the outside of the plate, Cliff. You get killed.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
When was the last time anyone saw Lee throw his curveball?

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I've forgotten what it looks like. He tried to throw a few earlier in the game but they didn't move in the least.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nevermind, there's one to Varitek.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
second pitch of the game. It bounced in the dirt.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Remind me . . . a curveball is when the pitcher puts a spin on the ball so it doesn't travel in a direct, predictable, straight path to the plate, thereby keeping the batter off-guard and out of rhythm, right?

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
we warmin the pen up yet?

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Let me guess....our favorite manager has nobody up in the BP!
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Ugh...
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yeah, "oh darn" is what I'm reading off of Lee's facial expressions right now.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Happy trails, Mr. Lee

by mikebrowns26 on Jul 26, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
My Photoshop said it before today, and it'll say it again...
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Lee must have something like 3 QS in 17 starts or something.

PATHETIC

by mikebrowns26 on Jul 26, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
6 QS in 15 GS
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
After tonight it'll be 4 QS in 16 GS....I think you were including his 5 IP performances.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
ESPN had him with 6... Baseball Reference doesn't list QS (that I know of). Where'd you pull your stat?
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
My mistake, I glossed over those unearned runs in two starts.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Josh Barfield, glove save and a beauty!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
barf!
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Game saver by Barfield....only if Lee gets his act together

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Boy if Barfield could only find his bat!
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Can't believe he got out of that jam.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
No kidding.  Perhaps this will wake our bats up (do you hear me Hefner, Peratlta?)

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Still on the earned-run-per-inning pace for Lee.

It would be much nicer if he weren't sucking.

by doowop on Jul 26, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
See that, Pedroia? That's me flicking you off from my computer chair.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Who's that hot chick behind home plate with the white tank????  

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What is more likely to occur right now?

A Hafner homerun?

or a Lee QS?

by mikebrowns26 on Jul 26, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Man not much you can say about this offence right now.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I have the TV muted and WTAM on, is CC saying anything of significance?

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He was pissed he had to miss out on dollar dog night because of his pitching obligation.

by mikebrowns26 on Jul 26, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hafner now 0 for his last 21.  He's not even close to seeing the ball right now.

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm surprised he didn't get a day off tonight... seemed like a good a time as ever.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Looks like this offense is not going to come through for us again tonight.  They're just not clicking right now.

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I don't like how Hafner always puts his head down and jogs back to the dugout like a true pro. I'd like him to break a bat over his leg, throw stuff over, maybe pick up a Gatorade jug and heave it at Mike Rouse, something to show some emotion and wake him up.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha, you gotta love it when any take involves Mike Rouse.

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It'd be cooler if he heaved Mike Rouse at a Gatorade jug.  At least then we'd get to see a Hafner highlight on Sportscenter.

by Joe Charboneau on Jul 26, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
marriage has decimated his testosterone levels

by mikebrowns26 on Jul 26, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What exactly does a hitting coach do or get paid? Looks like a great job sice you don't seem to be held accountable.
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Tell that to Eddie Murray.

by Joe. on Jul 26, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yeah but how long ago was that?
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Easy, still one of the best offenses in the league here. Just a bit of a dry spell. And Derek Shelton has not swung a bat recently.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Bullpen warming up... not sure whom.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
stanford, i think
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You are correct, madam.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wow..two on again? I think I've seen this show and I don't like how it ends.
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
My gosh.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
(Biting my tongue until it bleeds.)

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
BALL GAME, thanks Cliff.  Outstanding performance once again.

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
5th inning... 5th run... time to get the hook out.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
No way in hell he makes his next start. And I think I've been a moderate this whole time.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
yeah, he's pretty clearly out of the picture

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
If Peralta makes that throw, does the 2nd base ump not get pummeled in the head?

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha goodness Cliff, have a good year.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Carnegie, for your next Photoshop, a simple job:

A Cliff Lee gamecast picture wearing a Bisons cap.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Goodnight Cliffie!

We had some good times before but now it's time for you to go and not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Imagining Mike Rouse getting heaved into a bucket of gatorade is about the only positive thing I can take from this game right now.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Typically a 5th starter will keep you in the game.  Lee isn't even close.  I really don't see how the Indians can continue to send him out there, in the middle of a playoff race.  
Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Jul 26, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I hear that Scott Elarton is available . . .

by macasson on Jul 26, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
did Cliff tip his cap to the booing crowd?

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wooooo you guys see Cliff tip his cap to the boos?

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What a dick move by Lee.

by mikebrowns26 on Jul 26, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Can you say DFA????
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
We need to figure out a way to engineer Hafner's divorce. Anyone know any homebreakers?
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by emd2k3 on Jul 26, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm actually rather fond of Amy Hafner. No can do.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Here is my take. Wedge/Shapiro at this juncture pretty much assume Lee will lose when he pitches, but don't know what to do.  Who do they bring up?  An untested rook like Laffey.  On the other hand, they don't pull him early because that would fuck up the bullpen for the next series.  Once you're down to the Sox by 5 the game is over anyway.  So it's a dilemma, but they just can't let Lee keep starting.  Jason Stanford couldn't do worse.
spinske

by spinske on Jul 26, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
This is bad for even Cliff Lee. Theres got to be something going on. I know a lot of people never really liked him before but this is a dramtic drop off out of nowhere. Like Jason Johnson bad. There's got to be something going on here.

by world dictator on Jul 26, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
could he be tipping his pitches?

by MikeCP on Jul 26, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha that's not even necessary. They don't need Cliff to tell them that fastballs are coming.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wow he is pissed...this marriage might be beyond repair.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wedge? Sorry, I turned MLB.TV off.
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
This is very sad.   Cliff was a pretty good pitcher, once upon a time.

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Just for everyone's FYI..

Laffey 6 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K...

Just sayin...

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 26, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I can't remember the last time I was so pissed at a player on my own team.

by Pronk33 on Jul 26, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Gradyforpresident mentioned in last night's thread that he also lives in Iowa (I moved here from Chicago last year). So I thought I'd share with you an Iowa-Tribe story that happened a couple of weeks ago.

I was listening to one of the AM radio stations out here in the boondocks (I'm in a real rural area) -- I think it's out of Waterloo -- called The Sports Guy. The show's about Iowa college and high-school sports. Evidently the host is a longtime Iowa sports expert. So I wrote him this e-mail:

I'm a new resident of Iowa listening to your show for the first time when something came to mind. I'm a Cleveland Indians fan and a few years ago I read the blurb below about the Tribe's Casey Blake on the team's Web site. I was wondering if you had any info, details, anecdotes about Casey's high school career, upbringing, etc.:

Was a 1992 graduate of Indianola (IA) High School where he played baseball, football, basketball and ran track...Was named a top 10 HS athlete in the history of Iowa in a Des Moines Register survey in a list that included Bob Feller and Nile Kinnick...

Thanks much!

The Sports Guy answered my question at the very end of his program, which was (I'm not making this up!) all about the new season-ticket policy at Iowa State. He only had a half-a-minute but he said that he covered Casey in the state baseball tourney and that "Casey was a man among boys." He said that you could see that Casey was special.

I thought that was kind of interesting (a lot more than tonight's game, that's for sure).

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You've gotta figure that if we keep a guy like Nixon around just for the positive vibes he brings to the clubhouse, there's no way they let Cliff stick around with all the negativity surrounding him right now.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sleepy Kitten should be with the Bisons!
Hello everyone,

I think one of two things need to be done with Lee, both at which should be at Buffalo:

  1. Either work on him finding his rhythm as a starter

  2. Or start turning him into a reliever - he does well in short stints, but can't sustain throughout a whole start.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)
Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 26, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
And we have one hit?
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I encourage everyone to turn off STO/MLB.tv and put on Hamilton, it's quite hilarious.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Talking about the whole Barry Bonds/Bob Costas thing. "with the way this thing is going we'll be able to read off teh entire script"

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hafner!
Hello everyone,

And Hafner - why can't he center any balls now?  How many balls does he hit on the screws anymore?  Very few to none nowadays.  What is wrong with him?

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 26, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hafner!
Haha you've got quite the issue with Pronk these days eh? Don't worry, I'm not impressed with him either.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping it will wake him up, but right now,
it's not working.  When you fall from .320 to .250, with no improvement in sight, you have to try something, LOL!  :-)
Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 26, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Anyone else hope that Stanford plunks Pedroia next inning just for giggles?

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 26, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
hm... well i am of the "if i can't see winning baseball, i'd like to see a fight" mentality.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Right in the crotch....
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I've never been a big fan of Stanford. He's like an older Sowers with glasses.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hey, we're trashing Lee, but wouldn't it be nice to give our starters some damn run support?  Lee was bad tonight but you've got to score some damn runs to win.

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 26, 2007 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Has Cliff been bought off by the Tigers?  We have to be able to do better than this guy.  He needs to sit in the pen and play cards with Cabrera.

by Chief Cornstalk on Jul 26, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Can anyone argue that we need a 5th starter much more than a reliever?  Relief doesn't help when Lee and Westbrook break open the game.
spinske

by spinske on Jul 26, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yep, I've said that for a month now. I don't think we can just keep going on the assumption that, for whatever reason, Lee and Westbrook will just turn it around.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Well you're not going to trade for a 5th starter, not while we still have options in the system. The cost would be ridiculous.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I honestly don't know why, but I'm not that worried about Westbrook right now.  I should be, but for some reason I am not.

by Fundamentals on Jul 26, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I agree with you; I really think that Westbrook is going to get untracked soon.  Lee, I fear, is done.
Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Jul 26, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Royals over the Yanks right now, 4-0.  We've got that going for us, which is nice.

by Fundamentals on Jul 26, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Maybe Bill Murray should be a coach?
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What is going on in Cleveland's management's head. Why is there no discussion going on for starting pitching. I know the market is weak right now but it can't get much weaker than Cliff Lee right now. Both him and Westbrook are the achilles of the Tribe. They need to be moved for somebody like Kip Wells, which is a possible trade that would not take much away from Cleveland. They would be the best team in baseball if it weren't for Lee/Westbrook. They're terrible.
Sincerely,
One very frustrated fan

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Kip Wells? Haha you lost all credibility there pal.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Kip Wells woould be an improvement over CLiff Lee. He's available I'm sure. He's be fairly easy to land, and best of all its realistic. His past two starts have been good. It seems like its been two years (obvious exaggeration) since Lee has been good.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha his last 2 starts have been good? That rationalizes 4 years of ERAs of 4.55, 5.09, 6.69 and 5.57 in the NL? C'mon man, at least make this challenging.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It'd be great if a guy like Roy Oswalt was available. I'd trade anyone in the farm for a guy like that. Could you imagine a rotation like CC-Oswalt-Fausto in a playoff series?

please do not take this as a rumor but more of me day dreaming

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Look at Oswalt's trends over the last 3-4 years. Everything is going downhill. I'm not interested.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Man, I don't know if you were taking a shot at me there, but you could at least look at the numbers (slash hear me out).

K/9:
2001: 9.15
2002: 8.03
2003: 7.63
2004: 7.82
2005: 6.85
2006: 6.77
2007: 6.38

In the AL, that's going to be rough. Not Cliff Lee rough, but not worth the two A prospects it would take for Oswalt (or the $13 million salary).

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Agreed on Oswalt. Not interested.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Not true; I'd be willing to tolerate Johan Santana on the roster.
Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Jul 26, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Cole Hamels. Jake Peavy. My two NL pitching man crushes.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I agree. He's not worth what we would overpay to get him.

by Joe. on Jul 26, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
BANANA!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
every time we talk about rally bananas i visualize the "peanut butter and jelly time" animated gif banana.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
we always seem to fight back and keep things close...

a sign of a great manager, if you ask me

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Martinez and Pronk, 0-20 in this series!
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
With those numbers, 1 out of 4 is pretty much on par.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
josh barfield is clutch.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Oh. I just woke up from a nap. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Folks, Cliff Lee isn't going to Buffalo. After the stunt he pulled tonight (I'm talking about tipping his cap to the fans), he's got to be way past Wedge's doghouse. At least Milton Bradley was an OK hitter. Cliff Lee is terrible right now.

He's not staying in this organization. Maybe this is just a hunch on my part, but I simply don't think he's a Cleveland Indian any longer.

Will we see Laffey? Will Shapiro will all of a sudden pull another starter out of the air from some non-contender? (I know that there's not much out there.)

If it's not Laffey - When is Sowers' next start? I gotta think if he has another good start he's back.

Hammy just says - Lee has 3 straight starts of 7 ER. The start before that was 5 ER. That's not 5th starter, that's waiver wire.

Ploni, and others, Casey Blake's cousin was my roommate freshmen year here at Iowa. We still run into each other every now and then - I turned him (well, I guess his cousin had something to do with it too) into a big Tribe fan.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Oh, shat. Now the offense shows up, right after I wrote this depressing post.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Doesn't matter. I think Lee has tipped his last cap as an Indian. He's a douchebag, no matter how he pitches.

I don't even care if he catches on with another team and pitches well, I don't feel he should be poisoning this team right now.

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by emd2k3 on Jul 26, 2007 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It's not a depressing post - it's the truth.  I still have nothing against Lee.  I think he should be shipped out to some NL team along with prospects for a solid starter (one with an ERA under 4.25).  But that's just my daydream.  

This offense awakening does nothing to change what Lee's done.

Still in 1st in at least one of the LGT Fantasy Leagues.

by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yeah. I think Sowers is better than his ERA suggests. He's worth a shot. Lately, Lee is an auto-loss barring a great display of offense. Why not hand the ball over to one of their kids like Sowers?

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Great.  Now the offense shows a minor sign of life.

This couldn't have happened a few innings ago?

by doowop on Jul 26, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Cue people blaming Wedge for leaving Lee in there too long.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
This mini rally makes Cliff Lee's start even more painful...

by Bernie19Kosar on Jul 26, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
RALLY ANYTHING-FRUIT-RELATED!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
So I picked up Gabbard for my fantasy team today as insurance. Figured I'd get at least something out of the game either way. This is worst case scenario.

BANANE DE RALLY!

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Rally cucumber?
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Will the real Pronk please stand up?
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I kinda hope that Vic walks so Pronk can hit a Grand Salami.
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Let's GO PRONK! Please just once for 22 tries literally.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Gabbard-splosion... let's make them pay.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
clutch hbp.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
HBP just as good as a hit.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Well that was probably better than Pronk trying to hit a ball.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha that HBP was best-case scenario there.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hits Hafner on the hand???
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I know...I am worried about that too.
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
If you can't hit the ball, let it hit you, I guess.
Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Baseball, sometimes. You time machines are way ahead of me (he's still pitching to Victor for me), but man, at least I'm getting a smile back to my face.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hammy is incredulous on how a pitcher can have a 9-1 lead with 2 out in 4th and not get the win.  Love it.

Oh, and whoever was bashing Shelton earlier...  TRUST THE PROCESS!!!  Shelton is not Murray.  

Still in 1st in at least one of the LGT Fantasy Leagues.

by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Trust the process? I do like how they work the count and give him a lot of credit for that. But what about Grady's lack of plate discipline, Barf and Peralta swinging at shit in the dirt, and Garko's occasional cluelessness?

He doesn't bat for them, I know, but what about trying to tighten up their plate strategy a little?

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha I know you're trying to be constructive but you're dangerously getting close to the territory our German friend broached with Willis the other day.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I don't see how. We lead the league in HR's I believe. That means alot of those near league leading runs we score come via the long ball. We have all said at one time or another, that we rarely get the clutch hits with RISP.

The players play the game but the coaches set the strategy. I was a collegiate coach (not baseball) for 23 years. It was me that got the hook when my teams didn't come through.

I'm not saying Shelton should be fired. I'm sure he works hard. He needs to get these guys more focused somehow.

Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Fair enough. But I usually give the coaches the benefit of the doubt unless we see an extended slump.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my mind, the offense IS in an extended slump!
Hello supermarioelia,

Actually, I think the offense is in an extended slump, especially if you go by the Run-Scoring Average per month:

Presuming my math is correct:

April - 115 runs in 22 games = 5.23 runs/game (LAA, NYY, MIN)
May - 180 runs in 30 games = 6.00 runs/game (LAA, OAK, MIN, SEA, DET, BOS)
June - 136 runs in 28 games = 4.86 runs/game (DET, SEA, ATL, PHI, OAK)
July - 107 runs in 22 games = 4.86 runs/game (only DET and BOS being above .500)

Now, granted, teams do change, and not all those teams were .500 at the time we faced them, NYY and PHI, for instance, but still, we've been shut down by teams like TB and pitchers like Jamey Wright of TEX that I'd have to consider this offense to be in a collective, extended slump.

Therefore, I do wonder if Shelton could do more; granted, it's not all his fault - these guys also need to figure it out (like Pronk,) but still, why have several of these guys remained in slumps and not bounced back yet?  The offense, in my mind, hasn't been the same since late May, 2 months ago - since then, we've been much more erratic offensively, having a few games like we did in April and May, but most of the time, if we can scratch out 4-5 runs at most, that's all.  And until tonight, it was mostly via the HR ball that we were scoring our runs - if we don't hit HRs, we don't score.  That too I think partly explains why this offense has been so inconsistent of late.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 26, 2007 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
way to step into it, Dorn.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I love that Garko is up with bases loaded.  Hot hand at bat!
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Tavarez ERA 5.27
Garko BA .316

Good odds

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 26, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
that was a rough strike call. Very low

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I know we must have discussed this before (I'm guessing many times) - but I love the stoned Tavarez picture on Gameday.
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
i believe there was a poll.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Ah yes, I remember now... (I think).
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Gutsy eye on that one

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
seriously, right?
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yes.  His initial tone of voice led me to believe that Garko had gotten ahold of that one.  It was a freakin' can 'o corn.

by doowop on Jul 26, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Little hit Garko - we need a little hit.
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Bah... but it's 9-5, come on now bullpen... keep us in it.
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by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I think Jensen Lewis is great. He's come in and given a third good arm to setup Borowski.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I am sick of CLIFFord Lee trade him or send him down .
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I think at this time yesterday the game was in the 8th or 9th inning.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Somehow Ortiz fits a ground ball through the shift. It's been that kind of night.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
How does that ball get through the shift?
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by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
O man Garko is blowing this game. Not really. But he could have done a lot so far.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He's dug out enough of Barf's low throws over the last couple weeks, and he's been the only guy on this team hitting since the Allstar break. I'm willing to cut him an enormous amount of slack.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Fourth, I have man love for Garko.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What do we think about the possibility that the pitchers are badly coached?  I'm thinking more of Willis and other arm handlers down the organization.

Is Jeremy Guthrie an exception or do we have other pitchers who might thrive under different coaching?  (FCab? Mastny?)

by doowop on Jul 26, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Please read diaries from earlier this week. This was already discussed.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Over-reactionary thread developing here. But yeah, Mr. Lee's peripherals continue to point toward him actually being worse the rest of the way. The only person I can see us using in his place right now is Laffy. That could change if Sowers strings together a few more good starts. I don't see us trading for a SP, although you can probably get another bum who isn't as bad as Lee for a small/marginal improvement.

by hans on Jul 26, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yeah, but we're all pissed off.

by doowop on Jul 26, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Lee is becoming Jason Johnson'esk.  Get him out of here in some way shape or form.  Man I want JG.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
There's plenty of guys who would cost nothing who you could try and go for. I think they should seriously think about Kip Wells, maybe Joel Pinero who had three decent years (two solid years). They don't sound great but they can't be worse than Lee. Maybe I'm just delirious from tonight's outing.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha I could continue to mock your suggestions, pointing to our better options within the system, but you'll only be around for the night so it's probably not worth it.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
How about putting Stanford in Lee's slot and make Lee the long man out of the pen. If Lee succeeds there, in no pressure situations, maybe you can move him into a more prominent bullpen role.

Just hoping against hope that he's not a complete lost cause. And this is assuming that he has zero trade value at this point.

by madherb on Jul 26, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Ok, I'm a long standing Stanford fan, not sure what he's done to earn the "mediocre at best" status.  I'm not saying he's the answer to any problems, but he's not done all that badly for being a spot starter or mop up guy.
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Maybe I wasn't clear. I was referring to Stanford as the solution and trying to salvage something out of Lee.

by madherb on Jul 26, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Strike Out Down and Away Standings Alert!

Peralta +1

He really is catching up to Barf.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Any team will have two major kinds of problems:  Dicks and shit.  Now Cliff Lee's been putting out shit for a long time now.  But between fighting with Victor last week and tipping his cap this week, he's outed himself as a dick, too.  We can tolerate dicks, and sometimes we're forced to tolerate shit.  But we CANNOT tolerate dicks that shit all over the field.

The Indians should repay the favor by trading him to Pittsburgh.  See how he likes pitching in baseball hell for a while.

by maledicta on Jul 26, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wow this thread went downhill fast. Carnegie, you still around?

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I am... working on some Photoshop magic here to spark the last three innings.
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by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I feel like I'm a lone fireman here trying to fan all of the insanity with a stream of urine. It's just overwhelming.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
lol... Not sure I 100% get the analogy, but it made me chuckle.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
The Peralta hating is pretty unwarranted.

by Joe. on Jul 26, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He's just been a little antsy at the plate. Should be fine within the week. I'll still mock his pitch selection for the time being, however.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Maybe the Lasik is were off or he is having the typical problems associated with the surgery 6 months out.  Seems to me he isn't seeing the ball well.  Time to go see the doc again.  
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Now I've only finished 1st year med school, but I'm pretty Lasik can't wear off. Haha you're using laser to restructure the eye, it's not like a cream that wears off after 6 months. 90+% satisfaction, and those with problems generally have problems right away.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I knew Peralta was using the cream ...

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
so i got my new sports illustrated and casey blake is in the pop culture grid. things it is imperative for you to know:

posh spice is casey's favorite spice girl.

if casey were harry potter, he would choke himself.

casey should like pronk, but doesn't. (aside: i love the casey vs. pronk banter they do in the press. it makes me laugh.)

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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Does someone need to remind them that they are hitting against Tavarez?

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shelton better get to work on Peralta -
he's been chasing a lot of pitches in the OTHER batter's box.  

That, or maybe he needs a follow-up eye exam.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 26, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Shelton better get to work on Peralta -
huh?

if it wasn't you, fan, i'd assume this was some kind of obscure sexual innuendo.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hey Guys, new poster, long time reader. Just wanted to start giving my two cents as well. Why is it that on this board along with others it seems that Westbrook is given a free pass a Cliff is not when they both have identical stats?
The Florida Gators in 2006...so why not the Cleveland Indians in 2007!

by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I totally agree with this. The only real difference as far as I can see based on this year's performance is that we have Jake locked up long-term and feel somewhat obliged to think that he'll be fine. Otherwise we're really screwed. Cliff we can afford to throw under the bus.

Great point, though, I thought the exact same thing earlier this week.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Lee's numbers have been getting worse the last two years, dramatically so. Westbrook is coming back from injury. His GB % is down, but I don't think there's any reason that he's going to continue this.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It's Lee's turn to pitch.  We care most about the pain which is most immediate.

by maledicta on Jul 26, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
you might not be looking at the right stats.

by hans on Jul 26, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
the peripherals are actually closer than i thought.  as expected, lee's HRs are higher (with more IP), but his k/9 is too.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
My reason is that Westbrook has been primarily consistent over the last few years and my hope is that he's just finding himself.  Lee, who I don't dislike, has had all of his peripherals go consistently down over the last few years.  This is why I think Lee might need a change of scenery.  

Westbrook consequentially gets the pass on faith whereas I have no faith with Lee in an Indian uniform.

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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Westbrook is awful.  Just as bad, I called for both their heads in June.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Pitching coach Willis should be fired.  I can do better they should call me.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You don't know my back ground. If you did you might not say that.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I get it now! You're the German coach that kid keeps raving about!

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Because Lee made the start tonight. Westbrook has had injuries. Westbrook may be a little better but in my opinion neither deserve a spot in the 5.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Of course Westbrook deserves a spot.

by Joe. on Jul 26, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Mastny time!
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by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
The second base umpire looked like a hockey forward screening the goalie on a shot from the point on that single up the middle.  Peralta had no shot at seeing that ball soon because the umpire took so long getting out of the way.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He's done that all night tonight. No clue what he's doing out there.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Joe West is not a nimble man.

by dave on Jul 26, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nice job by Stanford tonight. We needed it.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wily Mo Pena communes with his bat and launches one.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
The Pitching coach has done fine with basically all but these two. Fausto has been amazing, and he looked like the dumps last year. Try to play the blame game but these are the guys serving up meatballs. UGHHH

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Willy Mo only has eyes for Tom Mastny.

by maledicta on Jul 26, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Oh, dear.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Matsney threw the only pitch Wily Pena can hit a inside fastball.  Who called that pitch, any scouting reports.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
In all likelihood, after tonight we'll be 2-5 against a team that we could very well meet in the 1st round of the playoffs.

by maledicta on Jul 26, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What a sad followup to last night's game...

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 26, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
We just need to load up on pitchers that throw 100mph like the Tigers and quit drafting hitters and we will be fine
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
But I guess Westbrook can have one free pass (this year)
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Throw at Pedroia?

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Might as well.  It would salvage some face.
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by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
F Mastny! F! So is Lewis right behind Raf, Raf and JoeBo on the pecking order now?

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Boston is the far superior team. The Tribe is not even in their class.

What's more, we have some serious breakdowns, starting pitching, relief, and, most frustrating, hitting.

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
We have to face the facts and we're just a bit too young and inexperienced right now.

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
They have all been in the bigs for a couple of years now..that excuse can't work forever.
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
2006 tigers = wizened old men.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yeah.  We can't possibly hope to compete with these guys. Let's trade the whole team for Kip Wells.  

by Joe Charboneau on Jul 26, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I don't think that is it.  I am pretty sure it is because we don't spend money in the right places and we waste it on Gritty Vets.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
All right, I'll bite. Who should we spend money on?

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I think this is part of it but the Big Picture is probably that the Cleveland market just can't support this franchise financially as needed.

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
My point is, Boston pitching is as deep as it is because of the $$$$$$$$$. And that money is coming from huge fan support, night after night, in the park and on the tube. Money = excellence in the MLB.

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
MONEY SPENT!
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wow, ploni, that's a bit overboard.  No, actually that's a lot overboard.  We've had some breakdowns, but it's not that bad.
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Gentlemen: 2/3 of the starting rotation has had a serious, extended breakdown. Coupled with this unforseen and unexpected development, the relievers have been quite mediocre (look at Mastny tonight) and we're just not hitting since just before the break.

I'm not trying, guys, to be a downer but the bullpen never got fixed and other parts of the puzzle have been coming frazzled.

I keep waiting for the FO to make a move but it hasn't yet happened.

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You're not talking to me, but if you're going to use numbers use the right ones. 2/5. Maybe 1/2 if you're counting Sowers, who appears to be coming back.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You're right . . . that's suppose to be 2/5, of course. Thanks.

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha you tell him Ang. Stupid misogynist.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
hahahah. nah. i'd assume most people on a site dedicated to men's sports would be men. i'm not accusing him of misogyny; i'm just a little tetchy tonight. :)
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Masty is always good for coming in and giving up those 3 runs.

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
That about sums it up!
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by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
the sky is falling! the sky is falling!!!!!!

man, screw this. i'm going to go read some fanfiction and eat popcorn.

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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
thank you AngG for saying that.  Sheesh.
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
stovetop. no butter, just salt.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Agreed, this thread is getting ridiculous. I'm just sticking around because I have nothing better to do.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Far superior? Are you joking? The difference is like 2 games. COnsidering the Tribe has to deal with Westbrook/Lee and the Red Sox hit gold with Gabbard, I'd say any move to get Lee out would make the Tribe the superior club. They're basically even.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Right now is when you'll see Peralta and Hafner get some hits.....just when we need them.

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Just brutal business tonight.
Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Jul 26, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hopefully now they know its Tavarez out there, the guy with the 5.5 ERA..the washed up no good pitcher.

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Can't wait to listen to Greg Brenda tomorrow discussing the latest deals at Mentor Mitsubishi!!!!!!!!

by tborish on Jul 26, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Come on, guys (and ladies)... there's still a few innings to work with and we've got baserunners... get those rally bananas back out!

n.b. I am not responsible for seizures
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
The funny thing is I'm doing research in epilepsy this summer. I just became one of my own patients.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Omega 3-fatty acids will help with Epilepsy.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
LOL
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Ladies and gentleman...Dr. Van Nostrand!

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
HAHAHAHAHA Cliff's spoon is too big

by fleerdon on Jul 26, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nice catch, fleerdon... was hoping someone got where the banana came from.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Another Sizepoor moment.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
At least Detroit lost earlier...

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm working on this theory that somehow, Cleveland and Detroit's baseball teams are telepathically linked, possibly by some sort of alien symbiote.  When one goes on a losing skid, so does the other.  When one wins, so does the other.  If they play each other in the playoffs, they may very well kill each other and the National League would win the World Series by default.

by Delluccious on Jul 26, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
so....out Lee, F-Cab, Mastny, in Laffey, Fultz, M Miller? Anyone?

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Insert Unanimous yes

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
OK - against Boston this year we have matched up pitchingwise like this:

Game 1: Lee vs. Schilling - 5-3 loss
Game 2: Sowers vs. Beckett - 4-2 loss
Game 3: Byrd vs. Matsuzaka - 8-4 win
Game 4: Westbrook vs. Lester - 6-2 loss
Game 5: CC vs Matsuzaka - 1-0 loss
Game 6: Carmona vs. Beckett - 1-0 win
Game 7: Lee vs. Gabbard - now 12-5 Bosox

We've only thrown our 3 top pitchers at this team once each (we are 2-1 in those games), while they have thrown their top 3 pitchers at us 5 times (they are 3-2).  Games 5 and 6 of this series say more about how these teams would match up in the postseason than the remaining games featuring guys who won't be getting postseason starts.  In the words of Douglas Adams, "Don't Panic."  And please, carry a towel.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nice work. I am sure the wave of inane negativity will soon carry you under as you flail helplessly for an outstretched arm but, from those of us already swept away, well said.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
C and O, you've got something to play with here.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I agree, and will oblige with more graphics.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hope this doesn't get lost way up here, but when the Indians lose, we at LGT get swept away in a negativity wave. I went for metaphor over beauty here, but I think we all get the idea...
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Beware of eternal optimists.  We're about to lose 3 out of 4 to Boston, at home, making us 2-5 against them on the year.  Perhaps the difference isn't that great in the league-wide sense, but there's certainly no reason to think we would beat them in a playoff series.  And yeah, that should cause us to worry.

by maledicta on Jul 26, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm beginning to miss Jason Davis...

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 26, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Vintage 06 Pronk?

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
PRONK'd
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Pronk just got a hit.  And drove in a run.  Pronk.  Yes, that Pronk!
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Vintage past week Garko?

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
GARKO ANGRY
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I found this very very funny for some reason

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Lets hit Hafner every time he goes o-4 that will square him away.  I volunteer to do it.

LOVE= Garko

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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
GARKO!!!!!!
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by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Well, that took Lee off the hook for the loss

by LeftyCatcher on Jul 26, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nope - unless we were to somehow come back and tie this game, Lee is still on the hook for the loss.
Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
How do you figure?
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Sorry Wood, that was to Lefty!
Still an Ohio boy through and through!

by TribeLoverInNewYork on Jul 26, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
The rally banana works... believe in it, and it will make pie.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Can I say it?  I love you Gonnie Garko!
Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Jul 26, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
C.B. Buckner'd
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Is C.B. Bucknor our most hated umpire?

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He's definitely near the top of the list.
Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Ah Buckner gave us the exact same call earlier in the game...just evening it out.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nice Rally but it is over!
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Now, this is what I call unnecessary negativity. We just scored 4 runs last inning, it's a three run game, and it's suddenly over?

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
They just walked Ortiz, of course it's over.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It's not like he is the #9 hitter.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Jay can "appreciate" this guy all he wants. He grinds my gears to shreds.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Mastny drew boos. Oh dear. Our negativity has spread to the Jake.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I can't believe I missed a rally to watch "Rejected" for the umpteenth time.

by fleerdon on Jul 26, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Jensen throws gas

by Beegcellent on Jul 26, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Mastny still has an option, right?  Can we bring up Laffey or Mujica to take his place?  Please?
Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Boo to Eddie Moo. He's had his shot this year. Hasn't even pitched well in Buffalo.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I really like this Jensen Lewis kid, with the right coaching he could be special.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Coaching that could only be provided in Germany.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Oh, boy... Boston loves smashing bananas.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
bananaphobes, the lot of them!
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Thats way it should be rally apples they are much harder to crush.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
perhaps something with a harder skin? a cantaloupe, mayhap?
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
For some reason this made me think of the song "Bananaphone" by Raffi.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Pitching-implosion.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
"The Indians bullpen just as bad as Cliff Lee tonight" (Hammy). Ugh.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Well, it's Manny being Manny.  Sucks right now though.
Still in 1st in at least one of the LGT Fantasy Leagues.

by mjmarble on Jul 26, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Manny did showboat just a little bit after hitting that last one.
Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jul 26, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
People here might not get me or think I am half drunk, half crazy but I know baseball and you will find I am rarely wrong.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
(Stares at computer, speechless.)

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I think most people on here think you are a self important blowhard and are so put off by your manner that no one could care less what you know.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
So you are standing and staring at your computer, speechless, yet applauding?  
- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Jul 26, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You should see it. I look ridiculous.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It's gotta be hard to type like that.
- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Jul 26, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I take it you're a gambler

by homelytourist on Jul 26, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nope, I am smart enough to know I can't predict the future often enough to win big.  I am sure it leads to a degenerate lifestyle which I want no part of.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Banana Cream Pie. That's what Trot should start using. Delicious.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
we should write him a letter.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Maybe he will change to a boston cream pie if we can come back to win this one.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
What about Moon Pies? I am leery of over bananaing things.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wow a bad game by the tribe really brings out the tension on the board, eh?

And I second that being pissed about Gabbard being on my fantasy team - on my first place LGT AL-Only league team..uch.

- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Jul 26, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Amazing comeback against the best bullpen in baseball alert

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Now, I wasn't here to see Franklin's HR nor did I read the thread about it, but do we (the LGT consensus) think that his power is for real??  This is now 7 HR in 102 ABs..that's pretty good.
- Jake

by jakesinger777 on Jul 26, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It is real but maybe not at this clip.  He could average 25-30 a season if we give him a chance.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
F-Cab is up maybe Wedge is giving up.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
OH HAY FERD. SUP.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha I just had a hilarious vision of you actually saying that to him in real life. And him melting into your hands. And you guys getting married. And them him joining our Facebook group. Success!

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
i can tell you with some certainty that if i married ferd i would probably not be spending nearly as much time on facebook.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Humm, this just in AngG meets people on facebook.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
actually, i don't!
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Seriously, no one actually meets people on Facebook. That's just weird. You meet them in real life, then creep on their profile, then awkwardly see them again and know too much about them. Um, but that's not me or anything...(shify eyes...)

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
or you add famous people who have like 800 of their closest friends friended.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
by which i mean i mostly use facebook in a platonic way. or... something. words are difficult.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. That's my favorite non-Indians LGT post of all time.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha feel free to add me to Facebook, kids. Despite my excessive frankness about my facebook habits.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Hello do the Indians scout people.  Wily Mo Pena can not hit soft stuff.  If you throw him a fastball it should be down and out of the zone.  Just awful.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
at least the yankees are losing and the tigers lost
The Florida Gators in 2006...so why not the Cleveland Indians in 2007!

by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Ah not a complete waste of a night. Offence woke up, Lewis pitched decently, and FERD!!!

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I might be crazy, but I think we need David Dellucci back. He's a real Indian.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I foresee a Sizemore home run or a Sizepoor strikeout.  I can't see any other possibilities.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He could also single, double, triple, fly out, ground out, etc. etc.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Told you! Ground out!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha it's funny, but I actually agree with you. I'd add a bunt popout to the list though too.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I MADE IT!!!! im baaaaaaaaaaaaaack (in US of A that is). after a long day of flying im finaly home in tribe country!!!
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Welcome back, So when you going to change your name.  Let me know when you do it because I would like to know who you are because your awesome.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
im only staying for a coupe of weeks, sadly....
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha Chester post that wave down here.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007

Image from above, discussion is more pertinent up there, but now most can see it since it's a new comment at the bottom!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Nicely done. I am just proud to have contributed an idea.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
great work. Each one is more amusing than the next.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
hmm...syntactical literalism.  i'm reminded of paul klee.  and kind of not.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
These alone provide you with insulation from being banned.  Love it.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I didn't know my banishment was a hot topic... but if my somewhat reasonable Photoshop skills provide humor, that's what matters.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Casey has the beard going. I think that's worth AT LEAST 100 points on his OPS.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You know, the Yanks are 8-2 in their last 10. The rest of the American league is somewhere between 4-6 and 6-4. Just not a lot of good baseball being played these days.

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Why Westbrook isn't the same as Lee:

  • Westbrook is only six starts off the DL (not 16).
  • He's gone at least 6 innings in those last six starts (not in just 3 out of his last 6).
  • He's allowed five runs or fewer in all six starts  (not in just 2 of them).
  • He has a 4.97 ERA in those six starts, which isn't terrible (not 7.94, which is terrible).
  • He's not a dick.

Any questions?

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Cliff is a dick?

(nice formatting, btw)

by gte619n on Jul 26, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha I always have a sheepish look of being an idiot on my face after every one of your posts. These are all good points.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
YES I HAVE ONE - - - or three.....
First off just because you tip your hat to boos does not make you a dick, anybody on this board would have done the same thing.
Second a 4.97 ERA is not going to get the job done i don't care what kind of offense you have
Third they have the exact same amount of quality starts and Lee has only started four more games than Westbrook
The Florida Gators in 2006...so why not the Cleveland Indians in 2007!

by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Actually, a 4.97 ERA will get the job done a surprising amount of the time.  The main point, however, is that there's a big difference between struggling with an almost-5 ERA and struggling with an almost-8 ERA.

Westbrook also struggled out of the gate this season and turned out to be injured, possibly right from the start.  He certainly did not have a quick rehab.  In any event, I don't really see the relevance of Westbrook's stats prior to his DL stint in terms of how much he can help us the rest of the season.

I'd rather look at his performance the previous three years.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
In the past three years their stats are the same (there might be a tiny tiny bit of difference) they have both won at least 14 games the past three (one of only a couple of pitchers) ERA is about the same. Cliff gives up more home runs but he strikes out more. Every thing evens out they are the same!!!!
The Florida Gators in 2006...so why not the Cleveland Indians in 2007!

by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Talking about "Wins" = conceding that you have no point.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Okay, I went and looked it up ... Westbrook has allowed a .341 BABIP since coming off the DL.  His career number is .305, and it was .296 for 2004-2006.  So I would maintain that he's a lot lot lot closer to fine than Cliff Lee, in addition to not being a dick.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
i just noticed that b-ref is now posting babip for pitchers broken down by time period (unless they always have, and i missed it) which is very fun.

lee babip last 7 days .348
lee babip last 14 days .405

and one would expect a lower general babip from lee than jake, yes?  closer to the usual .280 than what an extreme GB pitcher would post.

not that this explains everthing (very little, probably), just interesting.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
the dick thing isn't just the hat tipping (which i actually found kind of funny. i would have done it, but i'm also not a very nice or likable person in real life.), but the increasing indication that he doesn't get along with some of the big guys in the clubhouse, and is starting to get a reputation for being stubborn. i wouldn't call him a dick, but i would say that he may not have the skills to back up his attitude at this point.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
someone who has won over 50 games and has an ERA of 4.64 career which i just found out was (ok) does not have the skills......please
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Not to act like that, no.
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by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
note: "at this point"

not "ever." not "for his career." at this point in his career. that is "over his last several starts."

reading comprehension. learn it.

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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Christ you're quick on the Facebook trigger.

(Slowly backing away....) Haha.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
i'm secretly the flash.
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Does not have the skills at this point.  That's what she said.

You are making it clear that you're just arguing to argue.  Read.  Breathe.  Think.  Breathe.  Read again.  Think some more.  Breathe some more.

Then type.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
yall are the ones that said last three years performance so i was just stating cliff's.
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Like the point about the skills/attitude.
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by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
so your telling me someone that has won over 50 games in 4 years with a team can't have one moment of weakness?
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Wasn't just one moment.  It's a pattern.  Doesn't listen to coaches or his catcher.  Skills decline, runs score, people fight.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Im sorry maybe i just don't understand why Cliff is getting so much hate and Westbrook isn't when they are having pretty much the same type of year
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Why Westbrook isn't the same as Lee:

  • Westbrook is only six starts off the DL (not 16).
  • He's gone at least 6 innings in those last six starts (not in just 3 out of his last 6).
  • He's allowed five runs or fewer in all six starts  (not in just 2 of them).
  • He has a 4.97 ERA in those six starts, which isn't terrible (not 7.94, which is terrible).
  • He's not a dick.

Any questions?

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
ok ok....ill agree for now but when Cliff ends up with more QS at the end of the year can i tell yall i told you so?
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
No.  We all know how to count Quality Starts.

Our concern is not "who's going to end up with the better year," but who can help us win some games from here through the end of the season?

Is it that hard to understand?

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Right but, doesn't the higher number of quality starts from now until the end of the season improve a teams chances of winning? I mean we can't win every game 10-9.
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I would put good money on Westbrook to outperform Lee from here to the end -- obviously that's my opinion.

Do you really think I'm wrong?  And if so ... why?  Because Lee was better in May than Westbrook was in April?

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
  • No
  • I just think they are pretty much the same type of pitcher. Lee likes the outside corner, where as Jake needs the low call around the knees, neither of them throw hard, a lot might have to do with the umpire and how he is calling his strikezone.
  • If they both finish the season with the Indians (and a big IF) I really can't see Westbrook outperforming Lee by that much. They both came off of injuries this year maybe Cliff is pitching hurt and not saying anything sort of like what Westbrook did earlier this year.
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
You make some fair points here.  I just go back to my original observation.  Based just on a quick look at ERA and BABIP, Westbrook has not been that much worse than his career norms for the past month or so.  Lee has been much, much worse than his career norms, which have been trending downward steadily since 2005 besides.  So for me, that information makes Westbrook the better bet for the next two months, and to be honest, I don't even really see it as that close of a call.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'll agree to that, but I just find it hard to belive that a pitcher who is 28 everyone has just given up on so quickly
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
as for quickly i mean an injury season for the first time in his career
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Actually, Lee missed a couple of months back in 2003 as well, but I don't know that there's any connection.

I'm not concerned about Lee as an injury problem, but I've been discontented with his performance for over a year.  Despite very good stuff, he has never lived up to his potential, which scouts felt almost unanimously was that of an All-Star starter.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I mentioned this before but lee's delivery is causing his bones in his arm to enlarge around the elbow causing him to pitch with less velocity and not being able to maintain a consistent release point or being able to fully control his off speed pitches.  His mechanics are very poor and his injuries are result of those.  I can see him eventually having TJ and then shoulder problems or visa vera.

Because of his delivery he is losing range of motion in his arm and most likely will lose up to 25 flexion in his elbow.

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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
This just further proves you have no clue of what you speak. Nice try.
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by fwembt on Jul 27, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
please his career really began in 2004
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 27, 2007 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
i agree with all of that except for the over a year part but other than that i will admit defeat.
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 27, 2007 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They both need to step up, but I think Jay
mentioned many of the reasons why Westbrook is given a little more slack than Lee.

Hello GatorTribeFan,

Besides those reasons, Westbrook was certainly decent to solid last year, something Lee wasn't, which in turn, points to the fact Lee hasn't been solid for nearly 2 years now.  Add in the fact that his temper/attitude, etc. is showing against the team and the fans, and I think that's why he's getting less slack from people than Westbrook is.

That's not to say Westbrook gets a free pass for the rest of the season - he does need to pick it up.  For whatever reason, his sinker's not sinking like it used to.  I'm not sure his sinker ever had the sinking action of Carmona's, but it certainly was sinking down toward the dirt and plate; right now, it sort of just "floats" slowly toward the lower part of the strike zone, but not enough to prevent the hitters from driving the balls into the gaps and seats, explaining why his GB% is down this year.

At least though there's moreless an explanation to Westbrook's problems; I'm not sure anyone has an idea exactly how to correct Lee's struggles - the two things I would consider, both in Buffalo:

  1. Work on his problems down there in a less-pressure environment.

  2. Start transitioning him to the bullpen and then bring him back up as a reliever.  Lee seems to have brief good stretches, which is perfect for a reliever, and his fastball might regain some velocity to help it become a solid to plus pitch again.  In addition, his curveball alone might be enough to help him become a successful reliever, and right now, I'd take him being a solid reliever than him being a poor starter who's getting knocked out by the 5th inning every time out.  

Yes, he'll be an expensive reliever, based on his last contract, but it might provide him with additional value; then, if he performs well enough between now and the end of the year, perhaps you could trade him for a piece or two to a team that could use him as a starter or a reliever in the upcoming offseason.

Just a thought and my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 26, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: They both need to step up, but I think Jay
Lee pitched 200 innings won 14 games and his ERA was 4.40 last year which was (Westbrook slighly better) pretty decent...so he has only really pitched bad for little more than half a season.
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't that impressed with his 2006 season!
Hello GatorTribefan,

No offense, but if I recall correctly, Lee got a lot of run support last year, which partly explains why he won 14 games.

I didn't think it was that great of a year for these reasons:

H/9 IP = 10.05 H (224 H in 200.2 IP - that's pretty much horrendous by any standard.)
HR/9 IP = 1.30 HR (29 in 200.2 IP - that's certainly not good, and just as a guess, I bet 1/3 to 1/2 were not of the solo variety.)
K/9 IP = 5.79 K (129 K in 200.2 IP - 5.79 K - not bad in and of itself, but when it's fallen from 8.09 in 2004 and 6.37 in 2005, I don't see that as a good sign.)
WHIP = 1.41 (Not a great number in itself, and especially when it was 1.22 in 2005.)

Essentially, I think Lee was lucky/fortunate to win 14 games with those peripherals, and likely because the Indians had an explosive offense last year, especially in terms of HRs and Grand Slams.  

Therefore, I don't think Lee had a solid year in 2006 as you think he did, which is why I think it's been closer to 2 years since Lee actually pitched well on a consistent basis.  

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 27, 2007 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: They both need to step up, but I think Jay
I think it's a stretch to say Lee wasn't "decent to solid" last year.  But he wasn't as good as he should have been, and he's never been as good as he appears to be, and the multi-year trend has been bad.

by Jay on Jul 27, 2007 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True - 14 wins isn't anything to sneeze at,
and some of his peripherals were okay, especially his 2.60 BB/9 IP, but like you said, Lee has always underwhelmed us, not performing at the level of a #2 starter like many thought he would.
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by indiansfan on Jul 30, 2007 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
it's interesting to try to compare the two while they're both shitting the bed.  we're looking at two entirely different sets of peripherals to try to be reassured.  a low GB% from lee doesn't make me feel particularly better, whereas it does from jake.  a high whip from from lee makes me more uneasy than the same from jake.  low k/p from jake is no big deal, but symptomatic of a major problem from lee.  just looking at ER (and i know your analysis isn't that simplistic) won't do it.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It might've been more effective to say all that upthread instead of just calling the guy a dick.

by mkwng on Jul 26, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
i never called anybody anything
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
He was referring to me ... that I could have started by stating the specifics of how he's acted like a dick rather than just calling him one.  True, but we all lean on the running narrative of the forums sometimes.  This is not a brand-new subject here, it's been developing for the past six days.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
oh my bad
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I guess I should probably step in since I defended him originally. I'm guessing that his point isn't necessarily that Westbrook is equally as bad a pitcher as Lee, but rather that Westbrook has been spared a lot of criticism by the magnet that is Cliff Lee. Not that Westbrook deserves as much criticism as Lee, but that he deserves more than he is currently getting. But yes, I agree that Westbrook will almost certainly be fine in the long-run.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
YES THANK YOU
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Westbrook is a sinker ball pitcher.  Sinker ball pitchers go through rough periods but when that sinker is working they can dominate.  Cliff Lee is a fastball, curve ball pitcher and relies on location.  His arm slot is really messed up right now and only  slowing him down will correct his mechanical flaws.  I also have to think Lee's head isn't right which is exasperating the situation.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I think you mean exacerbating, but it certainly is exasperating to watch.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yea, my bad it is suppose to be exacerbating.  
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
No, the hat tipping is very dickish and shows a general lack of respect. A really tool move that. I wouldn't have done that. He sucked, he deserved it.
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by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
maybe he tipped his hat acknowledging to the fans that his performence did suck..kinda like a yeah yeah i know it sucked type thing lets move on.
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by GatorTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Ladies and gentlemen ... Cliff Lee's mother is in the house.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Or, and this is more in fitting with the recent reports, he is just a dick who thinks he has earned something.
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by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
It should be noted that if Cliff pitches well I could not care less if eats sleepy kittens. A dick who wins is fine with me.
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by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
BALLGAME... get your ponchos out, believers!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
are we to bring surfboards as well?
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by AngG on Jul 26, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Yes- dropping 3 out of 4 brings a big wave.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I remember a team losing 3 straight and in fact losing big the third game of a series and then winning 8 in row for a championship.  The key is Don't Panic, but remove the warts.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Losing three, then winning 8 straight to win a championship? Sounds like the Super Bowl XL (and 5-time world) champion Pittsburgh Steelers in 2005!
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Blake is growing that beard out..
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by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I am going to claw for the surface and get ready for this Twins series.
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by fwembt on Jul 26, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Even in a loss, FWIW, the "Let's Go, Tribe" WTAM music still gives me goosebumps.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm still getting used to it. I miss the old song, the instrumental version of 'talkin baseball, talkin Tribe'.

by ASP on Jul 26, 2007 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
That was also a good selection. WTAM has it down for pre- and post-game music.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Core is solid. Warts gotta go. FO has to attack the situation. No time for skirting the issues.

by ploni on Jul 26, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Gonna have to agree with this. Time for Shapiro to earn his keep.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Jay, where do you see Cliff going? The knee-jerk is the trade route if the FO/Wedge truly feel that his attitude is beyond repair. But you have to figure after Phillips they might be a little more patient with disgruntled players.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
One Cliff Lee not BP.

Two its hardly knee jerk this how he has pitched more or less for a year and a half.

Cliff has trade value (i.e issy)

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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm talking trade vs. demotion to Buffalo.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I actually think the demotion is more likely.  If they're going to work out a trade, why not first see if they can get him through (revocable) waivers, and if he's claimed, negotiate with that team first?  Trading him now would be selling low.  They might rather get his value back up a bit and then trade him later.

A trip to Buffalo will do him good.  Boy needs some humility.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I was thinking along the same lines. He almost needs a few weeks to just breathe.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Positives:
-- Indians score 9 runs despite just 6 hits
-- 2-out hitting
-- 4-game blog sweep, 540+ tonight to 30
-- Pretty low amount of guys LOB (team: 3)
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
In discussing the availability of Jose Contreras today, Jon Heyman made the following point:
Since Garland probably isn't going anywhere, and neither is Dontrelle Willis or Scott Olsen, here's my preference among available starting pitchers:

  1. Matt Morris
  2. Livan Hernandez
  3. Contreras
  4. Jason Jennings
  5. Kyle Lohse

And that's a .500 rotation, at best.

Consider further what each of those stiffs will cost and decide if we should really pick up another starter.

by mkwng on Jul 26, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'd agree that it's probably not worth going out and getting a starter that's on the block judging by what's available. Why not home grow it? Laffey, Stanford, or Sowers could be capable I say.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
We won't trade for a starter.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Haha you're forgetting Kip Wells. Geez that guy earlier was ridiculous.

by supermarioelia on Jul 26, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm surprised he didn't bring up Josh Fogg.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How ironic you bring up Matt Morris! :-)
Hello mkwng,

DrBGiantsfan and I joke about a possible trade of Asdrubal Cabrera for Matt Morris - he of course wants that trade to happen, and I of course, don't.  :-)  

When I look at Morris' peripherals - ewww - not that great.  All the more reason why I can't see any trade like that happening (and I really don't think DrBGiantsfan does either - it's just a joke between us.)

I agree with Jay - I doubt we trade for a starter.  Essentially, Lee is/was our #5 starter; if one of the rookies, whether it be Laffey/Sowers/Smith, etc. perform at a decent level, and Westbrook (our #4 in my mind) can bounce back, that would probably be enough.  Don't forget that Chad Durbin occupied that #5 spot in the Tigers' rotation for a while, and they survived just fine (he pitched some decent to solid games for them in some of his starts.)  

Therefore, I'd think one of the rookies will come up, and hopefully, give us enough production out of that #5 hole to enable us to reach the postseason.  Once we get there, that #5 starter is essentially a reliever in the postseason (hmm... does that mean Laffey or Smith, perhaps?  Smith has done both, while Laffey has minimum experience out of the bullpen, mostly in a dual-starter mode.)

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Jul 26, 2007 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: How ironic you bring up Matt Morris! :-)
Oh man, Matt Morris. Back in high school, I was at some happening at a friend's house. Some kids from one of the other high schools in Cedar Rapids were there, and one (an attractive female) was wearing a Matt Morris jersey.

My best friend, quite inebriated, walked up to her and asked "What's your ERA?" It may have been the most awkward, but most hilarious, pickup line of all time.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 27, 2007 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Eric Wedge sounds sad in the post-game wrap up... the -wave must have hit him.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
In post-game show, Wedge said they are going to talk about Lee after the press leaves.  It will be interesting to see what they do with him.

by palcal on Jul 26, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Talk "about Lee"? Or to Lee? Because, about, sounds like Wedge/Shapiro et all. And that means, bye bye.

by Gradyforpresident on Jul 26, 2007 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
we cant go on with him (lee) in our rotation...
c'mon now dawg....

by GermanysTribeFan on Jul 26, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Right now Lee is a guaranteed bullpen blower and a major hole.  Get him out of here or risk ruining your playoff aspirations.
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by E5 on Jul 26, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
Are you two the same people? Just curious, is all.
"We've talked about it so many times," Wedge said, "but this is a special group."

by CarnegieAndOntario on Jul 26, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
i think jay is secretly both of them.  he got bored with one-dimensional sheparding.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
"shepherding".  that was my lawyer showing through.  damn lexisnexis.

by emil minty on Jul 26, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Game Thread: July 26, 2007
I'm too busy even just to be myself lately.  Half these posts are written by my interns.

by Jay on Jul 26, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs