Game Thread: August 6, 2007
Cleveland at Minnesota, 8:10 (STO)
Starting Pitchers:
Cleveland: Paul Byrd (126.0 IP, 4.43 ERA, 45 PRC)
Minnesota: Carlos Silva (136.2 IP, 4.61 ERA, 46 PRC)
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by ASP on Aug 6, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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by ASP on Aug 6, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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I know he's put together a semi-decent stretch of late for him, and gotten a few timely/well-placed hits. But he's still not putting up consistent, good ABs, and he certainly doesn't help us, on the field, in any other facet of the game. And, it's costing us in close games. Unfortunately, he has done nothing to suggest that his continued regular presence in the lineup will help us more than it hurts us.
I'm frustrated by it . . . but I will stop now.
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Ah, what's the point. In the end I think we all vote for Gutierrez. Discussion is moot.
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GO TRIBE!!!
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Pronky-Chan
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Also, my thoughts that Gutz was playing was just a hopeful guess based on his lack of playing time the past few days. I don't think there's any way that Wedge can sit him with the team slumping like this.
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Perhaps we need a new drinking game to coincide with lineup complaints as well... DRINK!
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Could be worse . . . could be Trot still hitting #5.
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by APV on Aug 6, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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Ideally, he'd be batting #7 or #8 every game. That said, all teams have flaws, and with respect to the Indians, that means Blake is often put in batting order slots that might be suboptimal for him and for us.
Generally, though, I think we're in pretty good agreement.
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Let's
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I'll say again, I'm glad we didn't win the
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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As a side, I really like Sopcast to watch some Bisons games. I've got that running on my computer and the Tribe game on the TV right behind it. Its a cheap picture-in-picture...
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by BoDiaz1974 on Aug 6, 2007 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
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Anyway, the Detroit guys are talking about scoring runs. They point out that Sheffield leads the team in that particular category. "That's because he walks so much," the first guy says. "You'll score a lot when you're on base all the time," adds the second guy.
What I wouldn't give for Manning/Underwood to say something like that. Just once.
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Thanks! :-)
Thanks for the compliment - greatly appreciated! :-)
Don't worry - I have it and the link saved in a text file on my hard drive; if I need to refer to it later, I'll make sure to bring it back up.
I think some forget or overlook how good Carmona has been this year, and I think my quick analysis showed that he's been better than Matsuzaka in 2007. Matsuzaka's been good, but Carmona's been better.
And, Carmona won't turn 24 until December, while Matsuzaka is about to turn 27 next month. Another advantage for Carmona. :-)
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That was one of the few times he's actually
Hello Roger Dorn,
That was just 1/5 starts in where he has given up 3 ERs or less, out of 12 total starts (5/12 = 41.7%.)
By comparison, Cliff Lee has given 3 ER or less in 7/16 starts (43.8%,) so in a way, Igawa has actually been worse than Lee (and his WHIP is higher than Lee's also - 1.68 to Lee's 1.53,) so, even with Igawa beating us, I'm still glad we didn't spend all that money on him - I have my doubts he'll ever be an effective starter, as Igawa is only one year younger than Lee (28 vs. Lee about to be 29.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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by supermarioelia on Aug 6, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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Just my opinion, but the ball over Kenny's head
If Lofton had gotten a great jump on that ball and had the astroburners on from the start, he MIGHT have had a shot at that ball, but even then, I still think it would have taken a great catch to be able to reach that ball.
The ball over Nixon's head wasn't that far behind him; if he had been playing back (Nixon's playing in so close surprised Twins hitter Mike Redmond) or if one of the other OFers had been playing there (or even Blake,) chances are, that ball would have been caught in my opinion.
Mind you, I'm not a Lofton apologist, but I really don't think Lofton had much chance to catch that ball; it probably surprised all the Indians that Casilla was able to get that ball over Lofton's head that far, going the opposite way no less, but I do recall that that high fastball was up and away, and pretty much straight, allowing Casilla to get a solid swing on that ball.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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Down with I-Trac anyone?
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And for some reason this cheers me up and helps me move on with life haha.
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I'm thinking he should be given a few days off
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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asdfwaleiufhawoiehf;awef!!!!!
I just jumped out of my seat!!!!!
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by new zealand tribe fan on Aug 6, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
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by tborish on Aug 6, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
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I'm picturing everyone gathering around like middle schoolers hearing what it's like to get to 2nd base.
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by supermarioelia on Aug 6, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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As if one lucky WS-winning team is the rule and not an exception.
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by tborish on Aug 6, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
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I sure hope they score more than 1 run!
Why is Pronk hitting again and Garko's sitting? Maybe I'm missing something! :-)
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by supermarioelia on Aug 6, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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Understood about the career stats, but then
Same thing with his career stats against Silva (which are pretty good); granted, I understand why Wedge left him in there tonight, but again, just because Hafner's hit Silva in the past doesn't guarantee he will hit him that well in this "off" year of his when he hasn't been hitting pitchers he would normally hit.
(It certainly helps though to hit your first career HR off of Silva, as Pronk did tonight.)
As for not benching Travis Hafner, under normal circumstances, I might agree with you, but when you're 7-34, .206, in your last 10 games (before Monday's game,) and have hit under your career norms for three straight months:
April: .338/.471/.550
May: .228/.394/.455
June: .218/.346/.356
July: .250/.321/.400
and in case you're wondering,
August: .167/.375/.250 (before Monday's game)
I don't think Pronk should be immune from sitting out for a few games to clear his head. Let's face it, giving him extended playing time is not helping him come out of his season-long funk (and no, hitting 1 HR isn't convincing me the "old" Pronk is back; he needs to be far more consistent before I even think that); perhaps a new approach of sitting him when Byrd starts (or at least every once in a while when Byrd starts) should be tried.
I was partly jesting when I wrote that initial post, but seriously, it wouldn't hurt to sit Pronk on occasion when Byrd pitches and Shoppach is catching, especially since Garko is the far hotter bat - why should he automatically sit when playing Pronk regularly isn't helping him or the Indians' offense? And as for career stats, you can see that that doesn't have any bearing on his performance this year because his track record didn't predict this.
Therefore, I don't think sitting Pronk every so often with Byrd pitching would be a bad thing if he continues to struggle and Garko continues to stay hot. It was good to see Pronk hit one out, but that HR alone is not going to convince me he's back yet; that pitch was a meatball that should be crushed, and fortunately, Hafner did just that. Let's hope it's the start of Pronk returning to his norms, which would help this offense become more consistent and be able to score the 5-6 runs/game on average they were scoring in April and May.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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by tborish on Aug 6, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
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This Gary Glover nonsense however...
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by homelytourist on Aug 6, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
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9 ip target (linear): 88p, 3h.
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And their 2nd best before Wheeler arrived?
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0.1 IP, 5 H, 3 ER. Still responsible for two men on.
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That's bush league.
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I guess because of the roundness and multiple of 9 thing I admire the sub-90p CG.
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I've heard Addie Joss threw a 74-pitch perfect game once. That's hardcore. I'm off to verify that.
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Haha that has to be one of my favourite Chuck/Jay moments of the year.
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HoF waived the 10-year career minimum rule for him. Baseball's first all-star game was played for him (I think). His perfect game came on October 2 in the middle of a pennant race, against a 40-game winner who struck out 15 and gave up one unearned run the whole game (one of the greatest pitching duels of all time).
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If it's a boy I would love to name him Addie Joss.
But, she'll at least agree on Grady, if for some miracle it's a boy.
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by homelytourist on Aug 6, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
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His bio says he's a switch hitter. What a useless bit of trivia.
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And I'm officially going to the Phillies/Padres game August 24th for those who enjoy getting drunk and sitting in piss-poor seats.
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When Bonds hits his next HR, who are the people we would most like to see storm the field and chase him around Aaron-styles?
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by supermarioelia on Aug 6, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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F'in Chuck Norris.
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by supermarioelia on Aug 6, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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I guess that dude in the other thread can add him to the "all Cleveland bench players suck" list now.
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by supermarioelia on Aug 6, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQBhqrabSw0&mode=related&search=
2 minutes into the scene.
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Jason Bateman and Gary Cole tear it up pretty good in that movie, too, apparently almost entirely improvised.
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I still can't figure out the imagery.
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It's conceivable he could play there more than Palmeiro did that one year.
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Hence, we have Byrd Pie.
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It's a huge fluke that they're 11 games over 500, and it will take an equally big fluke for them to continue and win a playoff spot.
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It won't last.
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But, you know, it's "good for the game" that their fans think they have a chance.
by homelytourist on Aug 6, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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Awesome game.
STOMP
STOMP
HISS
HISS
Travis will still eat your internal organs if he's in the mood.
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I hope you hoisted a few at the Hop Leaf after the show.
Great game tonight!
Big win and a great game by Byrd - we really needed that pitching performance.
The offense was a bit better; it was encouraging to see some of these hitters go the other way and not look to crush the ball by pulling it - they were just nice, easy swings. Personally, I hope we see more of that; some of these guys look like they're trying to hit 8-run HRs. They just need to relax and stay within themselves.
As for Pronk, I hope this gets him going; that was a meatball pitch, but fortunately, he didn't miss it, which he has done on a few occasions this year. I'm just hopeful this can get him on some sort of roll.
Also, a friend of mine again noticed that it seemed Pronk didn't lift up his leg before the pitch came that he hit the HR on. Did Pronk always lift his leg before the pitch when he was going well in past years? We don't seem to recall him doing that. Could that be the source (or one source) of his problems? Just curious.
Let's hope the Indians can play well in Chicago and at least win the series; who knows if the D'Rays can beat the Tigers, though I'm hopeful they can take a game or two.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
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by supermarioelia on Aug 7, 2007 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd think we be able to catch that flyball that
I don't know - just my opinion, but Crawford's mental acumen for the game seems to be lacking at times, as this isn't the first time he's made a bone-headed play. If his mental acumen were a little sharper and he was a little more patient, he might be the type of player who is in Sizemore's category, but personally (and I am biased,) I think he's a peg or two below Sizemore, even though he has comparable tools.
Just my 2 cents. :-)

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