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Indians Top 50 Prospects

Not sure how I'd missed this, but theclevelandfan.com is hosting a really extensive prospect list for the Tribe.

There's a 50-1 countdown as well as earlier parts that detail just misses and winter league performances.

This will kill some time.

Enjoy

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Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Yikes! I was expecting 41-50 to be mostly guys I'd never heard of, but I knew most of those names. Now I'm really curious about the rest of the list.

by Voltaire on Jan 4, 2008 9:56 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
31-40 is already up in case you missed it.

by afh4 on Jan 4, 2008 10:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Chuck Lofgren the 15th best prospect in all of baseball?

Uhh. Whoa. Ok.

by afh4 on Jan 4, 2008 11:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
The guy cites this, "He led the minor leagues in wins in 2006" as one of his reasons why Lofgren is good. Either he is writing to a less than knowledgeable (in baseball statistical terms) audience or is less than knowledgeable himself. wins.

by hans on Jan 4, 2008 11:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
the #17 prospect wil inman should be pitching out of the brewers bullpen this season, which might be tough since he was traded to the padres.  obviously they've been following his career closely.  i understand some typos here and there and maybe even the occasional bit of wrong info, but this list really seems to lack attention to detail.

by ironmanatee on Jan 5, 2008 12:02 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Yeah, after looking at the whole list, umm, to put it nicely, huuuuuuuuuuge grain of salt.

by afh4 on Jan 5, 2008 1:33 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
while watching the video, I found myself thinking that it would have been pretty cool if it was a video of Wergalez taking a few pitches out of the zone, fouling off a ball or two, and then taking another outside pitch for a walk.

The HR was inevitable, and nice as well.

by hans on Jan 4, 2008 11:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Thanks for warming up a cold Saturday morning in January with that.

WOW!

by The DiaTriber on Jan 5, 2008 10:39 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
We're Facebook friends.

The first televised Captains game I ever saw had Mills and Weglarz going yard.  I swooned.

by nickjs21 on Jan 5, 2008 11:48 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
I couldn't help but post this for you. Its from another prospect list.

Here:

7. Nick Weglarz, LF, A. The 19-year-old outfielder hit .276/.395/.497 for an OPS of .892. That's very good considering the only players under 20 to have an OPS in the Sally League of .892 or higher in the last 15 years are: Adrian Beltre, Ian Stewart, Lastings Milledge, Vlad Guererro, Chipper Jones, Delmon Young and Kelly Johnson. That's good company to be associated with.

by hans on Jan 6, 2008 1:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
This is crazy. I am more excited for Weglarz' season to start than the Indians season. I'm sure that'll change as ST starts and all but in the dead of winter, Weglarz dances in my head.

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2008 3:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
What's his story? Why'd he only play one game in '06?

by Voltaire on Jan 6, 2008 5:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Hand injury in 2006, if I remember right.

His deal? Incredibly young, projectable body, sick OBP, and power for days. He was 10th in the SAL in OPS and everyone in front of him was a year or more older than him, if I'm not mistaken.

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2008 6:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Projectable body? That's what she said.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Jan 7, 2008 2:29 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
wrist/hand in the first game of the 2006 season.

Hello Voltaire,

Andrew is correct - Weglarz was injured in the first game of the 2006 season - I believe it was a pitch that hit his right (I think it was his right) wrist/hand and that cost him the whole season.

I think the pitch broke his hamate bone if I remember correctly.  It's unfortunate he lost that development time, though he still made a pretty seamless transition to Low-A Lake County without it, so he still seems to be on the fast track in terms of his relative age to league (offensively, at least.)

Like Andrew, I too am excited about his potential, especially in regards to his young age and how he performed at Lake County after missing all of the 2006 season, his advanced plate discipline for his age, and his projectable power.  I know his defense is a bit of a concern at this point, but it was his first year in the OF, and most 18-19-YOs struggle defensively as they work on consistency and approach at their defensive positions, so it's not a major concern for me at this point - he'll likely get better with more repetitions and time in the OF.

Just my 2 cents - hopefully, this is helpful!  :-)

May the Tribe be great in 2008! :-)

by indiansfan on Jan 6, 2008 9:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
I like his POTENTIAL but he needs to toughen up.  Breaking a Hamate bone isn't a reason to stay on the DL. (if that is the bone he broke)
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages ... It is ridiculed It is violently opposed Finally, it is accepted as self-evident LGT resident kinesiologist

by E5 on Jan 6, 2008 9:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
It is if they are concerned about damage to the ulnar nerve.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Jan 7, 2008 2:31 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
Explain how breaking a Hamate bone effects the ulnar nerve?
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident LGT kinesiologist! Straw,Drink

by E5 on Jan 7, 2008 5:09 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
The hook of the hamate bone, which is what often breaks in a batters wrist, is one of the insertion points for the flexor carpi ulnaris, a muscle which is closely associated with the ulnar nerve and its various branches.  More importantly, the area around the hamate is closely associated with the deep branch of the ulnar nerve as it enters the deeper portions of the palm of the hand.  While breaking the hamate wouldn't by default cause ulnar problems, it can be disruptive to the entire area, which in turn can lead to nerve and muscular problems in the area.  For most people it wouldn't be especially disruptive, but if you're paid to swing a bat and exhibit extreme wrist action, it can be a problem.

by APV on Jan 7, 2008 5:22 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
Beat me by three minutes!
"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 7, 2008 5:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
A certain 2nd Basemen played the last two months of the season with a broken hamate bone and it didn't effect him or his ulnar nerve that greatly.  Maybe Nicholas Weglarz was hurt much worse but I am curious as to why in a short season they wouldn't let him play it out. Unless there was significant damage he could have played with it.
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident LGT kinesiologist! Straw,Drink

by E5 on Jan 7, 2008 5:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
Since we're never going to get access to his medical records, I'm just going to trust the Indians doctors, and I'd urge you to do the same.

by Voltaire on Jan 7, 2008 5:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
Why let him play through it?  I know the downside of worsening an injury, what's the upside of another 80-ish at bats?

by Jay on Jan 7, 2008 6:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No offense, but as Jay mentioned, why risk
a more serious injury that could have adverse effects on his career?

Hello E5,

No offense, but it makes more sense to me to not risk a greater injury to a 18-YO player you drafted in the 4th Rd. (at age 17) and are expecting great things out of rather than give him 80-100 ABs at a level where he is no older than the league average, and arguably, is younger, since he played his first professional season in the States at age 17.  I don't think any ML organization would have risked playing him after that type of injury, certainly not for 80-100 ABs.  Any time you break a bone, it's usually considered a significant enough injury to warrant missing playing time.  

I think you're referring to Red Sox 2B Dustin Pedroia, who played with a cracked hamate bone for the last two months of the season.  There are a few differences between Weglarz and Pedroia:

  • While both injuries are serious and probably should lead to time off (as both did require surgery to recover fully from them,) a broken hamate bone is more severe than a cracked hamate bone.  Pedroia could manage to play with his, though who knows if he might have played better than he did, even though he played well.  Even though he played well with the injury doesn't mean that the injury didn't affect him to some extent.  We'll never know how well he might have played if he hadn't had the injury.  

  • Pedroia's cracked hamate bone wasn't discovered until Sept. 10 via an MRI, so it must not have been bothering him that much, as it wasn't even discovered until several weeks after he reportedly injured it.  Weglarz's was immediately known after he was hit by the pitch in his second AB, and as mentioned before, his hamate bone was broken, not cracked like Pedroia's.

  • Weglarz is a young, highly-touted prospect who's not that close to the MLs.  Plus, the Indians are expecting great things from him, being that he was a 4th-Rd. draft choice and the fact that Weglarz was only 18 at the time he was injured.  It was logical for them to err more on the side of caution, since Weglarz still has a great deal of time on his side to live up to that potential.  Missing around 100 ABs was arguably more prudent than trying to rush back and get 50 ABs, risking a greater injury that could affect him down the road and hurt his ability to reach his great potential.  It's likely every ML organization would have done the same thing as the Indians did in regards to shutting down a young, highly-touted prospect like Weglarz for the season after an injury like that.

  • Pedroia is a solid prospect who had made it to the MLs and was helping contribute to the Red Sox's great season.  Pedroia probably felt that if he took time off with the injury, being that he was a rookie and being in an organization that doesn't often rely on rookies to be starters, he might not get his starting position back, since this was his first full season in the Majors.  Pedroia probably decided that he would play through it if at all possible, and must have been able to convince the Red Sox he could, along with the fact that the doctors felt that they could hold off until after the season to perform the surgery without any long-term complications.  Again, Pedroia's hamate bone was cracked, but not broken like Weglarz's.

That's why I don't think the situations are really that similar and why I don't think calling Weglarz's toughness into question is accurate, no offense.  The Indians and their doctors told Weglarz he'd be out for the rest of the season - what Minor Leaguer is going to go against what they are told, possibly risking his career if they don't follow the instructions given to them?  No one - following their instructions is not a sign of weakness of Weglarz's toughness, but rather a sign of strength in terms of being able to handle the time off and following their instructions to the letter in order to return to the player he showed signs of becoming before breaking his hamate bone.  And I think his season in Low-A at age 19 is a strong testament to that outcome.

Just my 2 cents - no offense.

May the Tribe be great in 2008! :-)

by indiansfan on Jan 7, 2008 7:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
That's pretty much it. It also would depend on how close the break was to the nerve.
I swear, next year is it.

by fwembt on Jan 7, 2008 11:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Hamate Fx
Five dude, you're gonna lose your status as the "resident kinesiologist" if you keep this up.

Here check this out under exam and you'll see that the hamate borders the ulner nerve and often causes ulnar weakness.  

BTW in one of your previous posts you implied that all hamate  fractures have limited recovery time. Uncomplicated hamate fractures resolve in 4-8 weeks, however some hamate fractures can lead to asceptic necrosis which requires surgery and can have a much longer recovery period.  Untreated they can be quite serious.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Jan 7, 2008 5:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Hamate Fx
I come for the baseball, but I STAY for the medicine.

by supermarioelia on Jan 7, 2008 6:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yes, he got hit with a pitch in his right
Thanks for the info, guys. I'd seen his name in prospect lists, but I do most of my prospect watching starting at AA (keeps the number of failures down a bit, otherwise I'd be heartbroken far more frequently), so I'd missed out on him. One look at his stats, one look at the video, and my ohhhhhh my.

by Voltaire on Jan 6, 2008 10:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Kind of robbing the cradle a little on this man-crush, aren't you?

by Jay on Jan 6, 2008 6:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
I can't help it. He's only 4 years young than me.

I really can't explain how I feel about him. His numbers are so so alluring considering his age. That kind of plate discipline?

Alright, I'm jumping the shark. Must wait for Nick to actually play in A+ before I talk about him anymore.

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2008 6:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Don't let Jay crash your party - be excited.  The younger the better, I always say.

by Thommy on Jan 6, 2008 8:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Looking at the DSL players on one of the earlier lists, this guy (Kelvin Diaz - Third Baseman/First Baseman ) jumped out, problems with the visa held him out of the US so far, too bad, because he needs to be in Lake County/Kinston this year.

by hans on Jan 4, 2008 11:29 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Yeah, he can rake. I really want him to make it into the US.

by afh4 on Jan 5, 2008 1:34 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Man, Slocum got hosed.

by Kos on Jan 5, 2008 3:24 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
No Dad got hosed, missing out on the V-Cast and stuck with another horrible tie.
All Truth Goes Through Three Stages ... It is ridiculed It is violently opposed Finally, it is accepted as self-evident LGT resident kinesiologist

by E5 on Jan 5, 2008 2:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
I appreciate the hard work the guy put into the list, but I disagree with a lot of the placement.  I guess it depends on the philosophy of the propsects' list.  He seems to punish guys that have made it to the upper levels.  He seems to favor best case scenario over certainty, which I kind of disagree with.

by ClarkM on Jan 5, 2008 4:39 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
its about age. Slocum for example made it to AAA, but he's 27. That's not a "prospect". Thats a guy that may offer some fill in support for the next year or two.

by hans on Jan 6, 2008 2:17 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Slocum made it to AAA by the time he was 25, and he pitched pretty well there, too.  He also pitched 17 innings in the big leagues, although without much success.  He was hurt for most of the year last year, but this year, if healthy, may have a chance to start or make an appearance in the bullpen.  He may no longer have a chance to be an impact player, but he already is a decent depth starter.  Do you really think Frank Herrmann or Erik Stiller have a ceiling other than what Slocum has already achieved?  Herrmann over Sean Smith is probably a bigger joke.  Sean Smith at 23 in AAA was just as effective as Herrman was at 23 in high A.  I guess Smith and Slocum don't really have any projection left, so they are not "prospects", but they do have a real chance at helping the big league club, although not in any major way, that is something most of these guys never had or never will.  

by ClarkM on Jan 6, 2008 11:25 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
I agree with this perspective...

by APV on Jan 6, 2008 12:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Your 100% right. I went back and looked at the list, and yeah Sean Smith, being placed below some of the 23 yr old pitchers in Kinston is pretty bad.

by hans on Jan 6, 2008 12:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
21-30.

I'm rather enjoying this. Maybe I'll try to start a serious discussion about some of these guys in the next couple of days.

by afh4 on Jan 5, 2008 9:37 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
24 year-old at Kinston makes #29!

by Voltaire on Jan 6, 2008 12:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Here's another random Indians top Ten list from moundtalk.com

link here

by hans on Jan 6, 2008 1:09 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
FWIW, I came across this "Top Ten Plays in May" for the Akron Aeros on YouTube. Its the Cabrera and Crowe show for the most part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zevxx0jfs4&feature=related

by mcrose on Jan 9, 2008 3:39 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Indians Top 50 Prospects
Tony Lastoria is finished with the top 50 with today's 1-5. Great job by him and I've already found it worthwhile re-reading individual writeups.

My impression is that over the last 2 years Tony has graduated from just kibbitzing on forums, and has actually made it a point to do the legwork and get to primary sources, talking to Tribe personnel up and down the system at every level, getting a lot of feedback from different sources on where individual players fit in the system's own evaluation charts. I'm jealous.

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/indians.php

by mcrose on Jan 10, 2008 12:50 PM EST   0 recs

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