Taking it?
We're getting word that Arthur Rhodes is in Philadelphia for a physical right now ... and all media sources have reported that a Rhodes-Michaels deal with the Phillies is contingent on moving Crisp to Boston. Did the Red Sox and Indians close the deal in principle yesterday and manage to keep a lid on it?
Paul Hoynes adds a few tidbits.
Needed a fresh thread anyway, right?
UPDATE: AP is reporting the Rhodes-Michaels deal is done, pending physicals. [Ryan]
UPDATE: Ken Rosenthal:
The Sox and Indians are close to completing their much-discussed, multi-player trade in which the Sox will acquire Crisp to be their new center fielder, FOXSports.com has learned.
[snip]The exact particulars of the Red Sox-Indians trade are not known, but it is expected that the Indians will receive top third-base prospect Andy Marte and reliever Guillermo Mota.
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Also, I'm all for the trade with or without the Crisp deal happening, I'd like to have Michaels play some instead of Blake (obviously can't be a platoon since they are both RH).
Btw Jay, we are anxiously waiting your response to the dccambridge thread, we all know you'll blow us away with your knowledge ;)
by talonk on Jan 27, 2006 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Jay on Jan 27, 2006 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by JulioBernazard on Jan 27, 2006 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Something to the effect of...Look for the possibility of a Millwood-like clause getting placed into this deal where if Mota spends significant time on the DL in 2006, then Boston has to send a conditional prospect Cleveland's way. Apparently Shapiro/Wedge were so incensed at the Boston leak... allowing fan backlash to gather, that they torpedoed the physical and increased their demands for Delcarmen.
Boston was never going toss in Delcarmen, but it established a better negotiating leverage for Shapiro, that Boston might agree to a smaller concession, security (in the form of another prospect, probably a lesser guy) for Mota's arm.
Whether this is legal, or how the language in the contract works, I have no idea.
Any way you look at it, Shapiro and the boys are playing this game of Liar's Poker beautifully. I didn't think it was possible, but I've garnered even more respect for this regime.
by cheech99 on Jan 27, 2006 12:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Anyway, it's nice to have a General Manager that I have faith in. The thing about Shapiro is that he seems to have a long-term master plan and doesn't deviate from it. He's very disciplined. I have no doubt that while he's working on the current deal(s), he has contingency plans in his mind for every possible roadblock in the current negotiations.
I think it's almost certain a deal of some sort will be made in the next week or two, and it might not include the players being discussed now. I'm really getting antsy to see who we end up with (and who we lose).
That being said, I cannot say enough about Coco Crisp. I watched him at Spring Training in 2003 and 2004. He was humble, accessible and polite to fans. He has worked hard on every aspect of his game. I don't know what his upside is, but barring injuries, I know he will reach it. If we trade him, I will be very sorry to see him go.
by LeftyCatcher on Jan 27, 2006 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Jay on Jan 27, 2006 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Kos
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by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kos on Jan 27, 2006 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by LeftyCatcher on Jan 27, 2006 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by mkwng on Jan 27, 2006 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I wish him well, and think he'll do really well with the BoSox (should this trade happen).
by JulioBernazard on Jan 27, 2006 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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We've heard rumors that the proposed swap contains contigencies on Guillermo Mota's health. If Mota spends a certain amount of time on the DL in 2006, the Red Sox may be required to send another prospect to Cleveland. Jan. 27 - 12:07 pm et
by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by mkwng on Jan 27, 2006 1:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Fios on Jan 27, 2006 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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-The "original" Boston deal (Marte/Shoppach/Mota for Crisp/Riske/Bard) is going to happen
-The Indians then are going to deal Westbrook for Kearns...
-And then will sign Jeff Weaver to a Millwood-type deal
So then you'd have an outfield of Kearns, Sizemore, and Blake/Michaels, plus Weaver replacing Westbrook in the rotation.
Take it for what it's worth, but this guy is usually correct.
by Ryan on Jan 27, 2006 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by oxforddave on Jan 27, 2006 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Chiefroy on Jan 27, 2006 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by mkwng on Jan 27, 2006 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Kos
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by bhricik on Jan 27, 2006 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by mrich on Jan 27, 2006 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Adding: Michaels, Marte, Mota, Shoppach, Kearns and Weaver.
Deleting: Rhodes, Crisp, Bard, Riske and Westbrook.
Taking any one of these deals by itself is not very exciting. Adding all 4 of these transactions together will get the "emotional momentum (EM - waiting for the trademark)" of the general population rolling again.
by KevinS on Jan 27, 2006 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by dgcambridge on Jan 27, 2006 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by scc2 on Jan 27, 2006 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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We all wondered what would happen to the $4 million-ish freed up in Rhodes/Riske/Bard/Crisp for Michaels/Mota/Shoppach/Marte. Another $2.5 million freed up if we did Westbrook for Kearns?
Well, now we know. It goes to Jeff Weaver.
That's still a lot ifs. But if it comes to pass, I'm just stunned. Scott Boras going to do the 1-year dance with Shapiro again? I guess he's the one GM he trusts to protect his client for this type of arrangement.
by cheech99 on Jan 27, 2006 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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On the fans
"My job is to make decisions that are sometimes hard for the fans to digest. We are not looking to be judged in the minute, but to be right in the end. Hopefully, over time you build up some trust with your fan base. Hopefully, we already have. We can't afford to have the fans impact our decision making. We have to make sure that we made the right choices at the end of the year... We can't worry about the other teams either, we have to worry about building our team to the best it can be."
by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by jdudas on Jan 27, 2006 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Jay on Jan 27, 2006 4:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by brad on Jan 27, 2006 4:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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- Sizemore
- Michaels/Hollandsworth
- Peralta
- Hafner
- Martinez
- Coco
- Broussard/Perze
- Belliard
- Boone
by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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1.sizemore
2.crisp
3.peralta
4.hafner
5.martinez
6.belliard
7.michaels/hollandsworth
8.brousard/perez
9.boone/blake
by scc2 on Jan 27, 2006 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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sabathia
lee
weaver
byrd
j. johnson
it's not intimidating but i guess there's no real difference between westbrook and weaver.
by ptb on Jan 27, 2006 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Payroll considerations
by oxforddave on Jan 27, 2006 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Bill on Jan 27, 2006 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by chy924 on Jan 27, 2006 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Hey Im not trying to depress you. The trade was garbage for garbage. Yes he improved his strikeout ratio from the year before (80 times in 299 at-bats. Michaels could not even supplant a tired 38 year old Kenny Lofton. Solid #2? Wow !
I thought you guys got him for pinch hitting. You really must be hurting to start him! Good Luck you never know....
by Bill on Jan 27, 2006 7:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by dgcambridge on Jan 27, 2006 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Coco age 26
1626AB 235R 467H 35HR 176RBI 114BB 220SO 54SB .332OBP .424SLB .287AVG
Michaels age 30
808AB 134R 235H 21HR 100RBI 114BB 182SO 6SB .380OBP .442SLG .291AVG
Bard age 27
495AB 45R 118H 13HR 61RBI 38BB 77SO .289OBP .370SLG .238AVG
Shoppach age 25
15AB 1R 0H 0HR 0RBI 0BB 7SO .063OBP .000SLG .000AVG
Rhodes AGE 37
75W 55L 4.26ERA 598G 26SV 61SVO
Mota AGE 32
22W 24L 3.61ERA 386G 7SV 20SVO
* Riske AGE 29
17W 12L 3.55ERA 287G 16SV 29SVO
by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 7:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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it sounds like it makes sense for every side involved. shaprio improves the pitching and the hitting this year, adds a tremendous prospect to the mix at a need position, and conveys to the fans that they want to win this year. cincy gets a ground ball pitcher who would be a perfect compliment to that launching pad and a middle infielder who will take some of the heat off of ryan freel who is drunk every other minutes.
i would love to see it happen. crossing my fingers.
by willthompson on Jan 27, 2006 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Chiefroy on Jan 27, 2006 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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"Jason Michaels is a hard-nosed, tough player that complements our lineup extremely well," general manager Mark Shapiro said in a release. "He has always been a tough out while recording a high on-base percentage, and he has the ability to play all three outfield positions well."
by CaptainPenny on Jan 27, 2006 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Chiefroy on Jan 27, 2006 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by CaptainPenny on Jan 27, 2006 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by mkwng on Jan 27, 2006 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by fanintexas on Jan 27, 2006 8:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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I've been following them just as long and I have to tell you that I never believed I would ever see them be anywhere near as good as they are now (or were in the 90's). I can remember sitting in freezing rain in May ('68 I think) with 389 other fans (that's right, 389 - count 'em) and watching a potential tying home run by Richie Scheinblum just die in the rain for the final out. And that was one of the better games I saw! For me, just being a contender is a real high! Anyway, I wasn't real excited about this deal either, but what the hell do we know.
Re one of your earlier posts: I lived in Boston for 10 years and loved it. You must have been one of those guys that stopped for a red light!
by CaptainPenny on Jan 27, 2006 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by CaptainPenny on Jan 27, 2006 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by jdudas on Jan 27, 2006 8:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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That said, I'm excited about what we got in Marte, Mota, etc. Hopefully the PTBNL turns out to be a decent prospect. If Shapiro can manage to pull off the Westbrook-Phillips/Kearns-? deal and sign Weaver I'll consider this whole shebang a glorious success.
by mjmarble on Jan 27, 2006 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Here's a link I saw on the IndiansInk MB to a Shoppach interview from a year ago. Thought you guys might like to read it:
http://www.redsoxnation.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=13630
by Chiefroy on Jan 27, 2006 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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"In exchange for the 36-year-old lefty, the Phillies sent utility outfielder Jason Michaels to the Indians just a week after they signed him to a one-year deal worth $1.5 million and was sentenced to 100 hours of community service to settle charges that he allegedly assaulted a city police officer last July.
With Michaels finally out of the picture, manager Charlie Manuel will use last season's International League play of the year Shane Victorino as the club's fourth outfielder."
by Bill on Jan 27, 2006 9:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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This is in no way bashing Rhodes - but you got a guy who's got creeky knees and has some off field personal issues (which we certainly hope have resolved positively). Is he a good pickup overall for you? Yes - but just hope that he's there for you as much as you need/expect him to be.
I, for one, am completely satisified with this part of the trades.
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