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Traded 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff and RHP Andrew Brown to the San Diego Padres for 2B Josh Barfield
It's interesting that the Indians have for the second straight off-season traded a player more valuable to the other team than to the Indians. Coco Crisp was the Indians' left fielder, but the Red Sox were looking at him as their center fielder. And this year, the Indians were trying Kevin Kouzmanoff out at first base, while the Padres wanted him at third base. And of course, the first trade precipatated the second, as Andy Marte made Kevin Kouzmanoff expendable. To complete the circle, Kouzmanoff will probably join Josh Bard in the Padres' starting lineup next spring; Josh was also part of last winter's blockbuster.
What of the players traded?
Kevin Kouzmanoff was arguably the MVP of the minors if you look just at offensive statistics. Because Andy Marte was in Buffalo, Kevin torched Eastern League pitching to the tune of a .389/.449/.660 line. When he finally got promoted to Buffalo, he hit .353/.409/.647. And he hit the first pitch in saw as a major-leaguer deep into the Arlington night for a gland slam. Granted, it was downhill from there, but overall, 2006 was a very nice year for Kevin.
Looking at his numbers, I see a guy who swings early in the count, and is obviously good at making contact. Due to his age, what you see is probably what you're going to get, and that certainly isn't a bad thing. I think Shea Hillenbrand is a pretty good comp, and don't think that's a put-down; most prospects will never give you that kind of production.
I covered Andrew Brown in detail a couple weeks back, and certainly nothing's happened to change my opinion. He has some promise, but the Indians have promising arms by the bucketload - what they need are good relievers. Assuming they'll reload the bullpen, there probably wasn't room for Brown in it (he's out of options), and I'd rather they move him now in a trade of consequence than worry about losing him on waivers in five months.
Josh Barfield is 23 years old, has exactly one year of service time, and hit .280/.318/.423 in San Diego, which thanks to Petco's cavernous confines equates to a 94 OPS+. There are two splits (sample size caveat!) worth noting: he hit .319/.355/.484 on the road, and .331/.378/.587 against left-handed pitching. Barfield, like Kouzmanoff, likes to swing: he saw on average 3.5 pitches per plate appearance. When attempting a steal, he was successful 80% of the time, a very nice percentage. And yes, he's the son of Jesse Barfield, former Blue Jay and Yankee.
Both teams traded for similar (in terms of service time) players that filled gaping holes. It saved cash for both clubs, in that most of the solutions for their problems would have millions of dollars. Instead, they swapped renewable contracts, freeing up money to fill voids elsewhere. The Indians can now use the $4-5M earmarked to find a second baseman to land an outfielder or a reliever. And they now have a second baseman that they control for the next five years.
Thumbs up.
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by fwembt on
Nov 8, 2006 11:54 PM EST
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Love the deal.
by hans on
Nov 9, 2006 12:34 AM EST
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I can hardly contain myself. This is going to be exciting.
And yeah, I've already anticipated comments about "NOWHERE! DOLAN IS KEEPING IT!" Can't a boy dream?
by afh4 on
Nov 9, 2006 2:03 AM EST
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by Ghostof WillHartley on
Nov 9, 2006 4:07 AM EST
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I wasn't a fan of Dolan's and I still believe letting Manny go was a huge mistake. But small market teams have to be careful with their money, or you end up wasting millions on, say, Paul Byrd...
by buckeyeskeeve on
Nov 9, 2006 11:21 AM EST
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Shame to see such a hot prospect leave, but he would probably have been wasted here anyway so good luck to him. I guess that means Garko should probably be staying now too.
by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on
Nov 9, 2006 4:07 AM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 10:11 AM EST
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by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on
Nov 9, 2006 10:40 AM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 11:05 AM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 3:18 PM EST
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"Barfield will help Cleveland's defense, too. His .987 fielding percentage -- he had nine errors in 684 total chances -- was third best among NL second basemen. One of the Indians' biggest deficiencies last season was their horrid fielding up the middle, which should improve dramatically because of Barfield's speed and range."
I guess range is like beauty; it's in the eye of the beholder.
by kov on
Nov 9, 2006 4:14 PM EST
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The other is an assessment of defense based on errors only, which is worth almost nothing.
by dgcambridge on
Nov 9, 2006 4:20 PM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 4:21 PM EST
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by kov on
Nov 10, 2006 11:24 AM EST
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Ugh.
by Rayman on
Nov 9, 2006 6:55 AM EST
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by Jeffrey R on
Nov 9, 2006 10:23 AM EST
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by APV on
Nov 9, 2006 10:40 AM EST
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by VA tribe fan on
Nov 9, 2006 6:51 PM EST
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"Barfield will help Cleveland's defense, too. His .987 fielding percentage -- he had nine errors in 684 total chances -- was third best among NL second basemen."
The one thing that I don't like looking at his numbers (among many, many things I do like) is his low (.310) OBP. He's an aggressive hitter, and likely needs to learn better patience. That said he showed excellent contact skills, good speed, good defensive play, and even a modicum of power.
Welcome to the Tribe, Barfield.
by danvail on
Nov 9, 2006 8:38 AM EST
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did anyone read PD today and see indians might have bid on matsuzaka? did we grow 30 million for posting fee and another 30-40 mill to sign him? or more i heard? curious? smoke screen?
by rockycolavito on
Nov 9, 2006 9:24 AM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 9:30 AM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 9:41 AM EST
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by hans on
Nov 9, 2006 4:32 PM EST
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by Pronkta Clause on
Nov 9, 2006 11:11 AM EST
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I think we could have done better for Kouz. I don't think Barfield's plate discipline is likely to improve to an acceptable level. I don't think he has established a strong career trend that comforts me when I think that he's only 23. I think Kouz is ready to put on a show in the majors for the next 4-5 years. I think IgLu was pretty good, though he isn't a conventional solution to the problem of "a glaring hole at 2B", and doesn't fit with Shapiro's MO of attempting to get young, stud, franchise players.
I think this was a comfort trade. I think the fans will, in general, be happy with it b/c they have a young, defensive 2B in place. But I can't be sure it was the smartest thing to do.
Is anybody with me?
by Thommy on
Nov 9, 2006 11:21 AM EST
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061109/news_1s9barfield.html
"Convinced the Yankees were on the verge of acquiring Kouzmanoff for slugger Gary Sheffield, the Padres pulled the trigger on the trade, which also brings them Triple-A reliever Andrew Brown."
It sure looks like Kouz was on his way out of town, one way or another. It also says one (or both) of two things: either Shapiro trusts Garko as our 1B, or he's going to be signing a 1B/OF before the offseason is over.
by Kos on
Nov 9, 2006 11:29 AM EST
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i think i'd have to go with barfield unless the tribe really thought sheffield would put us over the edge and into contention.
the guy already said he wouldn't be happy playing for 1 year in a new city, and he's got clubhouse cancer written all over him. a great player who has played for 6 teams and is always angry about something
by brad on
Nov 9, 2006 11:54 AM EST
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Fascinating link. Towers also says he thinks 3B is harder to fill than 2B. That's a tough question, I think.
by mkwng on
Nov 9, 2006 12:06 PM EST
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by Kos on
Nov 9, 2006 12:13 PM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 12:26 PM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 12:27 PM EST
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by Ryan on
Nov 9, 2006 12:48 PM EST
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by Kos on
Nov 9, 2006 4:44 PM EST
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I know some of the BTF posters said they'd take Kouz over Marte at this point.
Sure, I'd take Kouz's offense over Marte's for 2007, even 2008. But by the same token, Marte is better than Kouz as a defender right now, and is young enough to get better. It's the same argument I made during the summer, when Kouz was seen as a challenger for Marte at third base.
by Ryan on
Nov 9, 2006 12:43 PM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 2:41 PM EST
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by woodsmeister on
Nov 9, 2006 3:55 PM EST
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I think Barfield is an obvious upgrade defensively over any other second baseman we had in 2006, and brings considerably more athleticism to the middle infield than we've seen in years. But I think his evident appeal to the Tribe was most essentially his potential offense. I also think that while Kouz will hopefully be great for the Pods, he was an extra on our team. A man without a position.
Every deal for a valuable player is going to cost valuable players. I just don't believe GM's get "fleeced" as often as we might hope, or believe.
by MTF on
Nov 9, 2006 11:29 AM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 12:19 PM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 4:37 PM EST
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Nov 10, 2006 9:31 AM EST
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But another reason you see fewer is that it's easier to work out of these problems. Once a lefty gets a reputation for not being able to hit lefties, it's awfully hard for him to work his way out of it, a process that takes a whole lot of plate appearances against lefties. Those are not easy to come by to start with, and they get a lot harder once you get a reputation.
Not so for the right-on-right problems. If your team makes you a starter, they can rest you sometimes against righties and use pinch-hitters liberally, and you're still going to get in 250 plate appearances against righties regardless. So it becomes a lot more likely that you can work through that problem over time.
Regardless, I think this issue has been overplayed, and in fact I think it's a non-issue. Barfield had a 675 OPS against righties last season, which for a rookie right-hitting middle infielder is not the least bit bad. The real story is that he crushes lefties, to the tune of a 965 OPS. That is a huge platoon split, but my point is that the vs-RHP part of it is quite livable given his position.
by Jay on
Nov 10, 2006 10:52 AM EST
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Vs. Lefties:
- Grady (CF)
- Barfield (2B)
- Pronk (DH)
- Victor (1B)
- Blake (RF)
- Marte (3B)
- Peralta (SS)
- Shoppach (C)
- Michaels (LF)
- Grady (CF)
- Blake (RF)
- Hafner (DH)
- Victor (C)
- Garko (1B)
- Marte (3B)
- Peralta (SS)
- Choo (LF)
- Barfield (2B)
by Brick. on
Nov 9, 2006 2:24 PM EST
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I think the opening day lineup will look something like that. I don't think Blake will stay in the 2 hole for very long though-hopefully either Peralta or Barfield hit well enough to swap with him by June. And yeah, I know that's asking a lot of Barfield against righties but he's young and it's not out of the question for Wedge to put somebody in the two hole when his platoons say it doesn't make sense.
Really though, can't cross my fingers hard enough for Jhonny. I want 2005 Jhonny to appear.
by afh4 on
Nov 9, 2006 2:36 PM EST
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by woodsmeister on
Nov 9, 2006 3:57 PM EST
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by hans on
Nov 9, 2006 4:39 PM EST
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- Grady
- Michaels
- Hafner
- VMart
- Garko
- Blake
- Marte
- Peralta
- Barfield
- Grady
- Choo
- Hafner
- VMart
- Garko
- Blake
- Marte
- Peralta
- Barfield
by Chiefroy on
Nov 9, 2006 7:12 PM EST
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Shapiro
Let's say we get Iwamura. Is Shapiro looking at Iwamura as a possible 1B in addition to being an outfielder for insurance on Garko? Is he still shopping Garko around?
Ah, that tricky Shapiro...you never know what he is up to.
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Nov 9, 2006 4:07 PM EST
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061005/news_1s5sullivan.html
I like how you have Hafner hitting 3rd against lefties, but you have Pronk hitting 3rd against righties. Shrewd.
by Jay on
Nov 9, 2006 5:22 PM EST
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I have had a day to think about this trade and I still love it. Besides bringing us the nickname J-Barf (undoubtedly my greatest contribution to this point) it gives us an option all over the lineup. J-Barf said on the air that he would love to hit behind Grady and the two hole is where he is most comfortable. I think he looks like a nice fit in the 7-9 spots as well. It's great when you can fill a defensive hole and a hole in the lineup with one move.
by fwembt on
Nov 9, 2006 5:26 PM EST
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Nov 9, 2006 6:19 PM EST
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Barfield from Padres perspective
by planetjeffy on
Nov 9, 2006 11:11 PM EST
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by Jay on
Nov 9, 2006 11:44 PM EST
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"...However, three scouts from rival clubs stated flatly on Thursday that Kouzmanoff can not play third base, contending that he is better suited for first or a designated hitter's role..."
I Think the Indians obviously knew/suspected this knew this and did their best to hide the fact. Remember during his call-up he really only DH'd and in the AFL he played first. I think they kept his marketability as high as possible the way they handled him this year.
by Brick. on
Nov 10, 2006 12:33 PM EST
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by Jay on
Nov 10, 2006 2:40 PM EST
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He plays a solid third--nothing pretty, but he makes all the plays. With Andy Marte in the system ahead of him, and given his performance, what do you do? Move him to first? That doesn't make much sense. It's just a very intriguing situation and he needs to stay healthy--bottom line.
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Nov 11, 2006 10:06 AM EST
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