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Traded 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff and RHP Andrew Brown to the San Diego Padres for 2B Josh Barfield

It's interesting that the Indians have for the second straight off-season traded a player more valuable to the other team than to the Indians. Coco Crisp was the Indians' left fielder, but the Red Sox were looking at him as their center fielder. And this year, the Indians were trying Kevin Kouzmanoff out at first base, while the Padres wanted him at third base. And of course, the first trade precipatated the second, as Andy Marte made Kevin Kouzmanoff expendable. To complete the circle, Kouzmanoff will probably join Josh Bard in the Padres' starting lineup next spring; Josh was also part of last winter's blockbuster.  

What of the players traded?

Kevin Kouzmanoff was arguably the MVP of the minors if you look just at offensive statistics. Because Andy Marte was in Buffalo, Kevin torched Eastern League pitching to the tune of a .389/.449/.660 line. When he finally got promoted to Buffalo, he hit .353/.409/.647. And he hit the first pitch in saw as a major-leaguer deep into the Arlington night for a gland slam. Granted, it was downhill from there, but overall, 2006 was a very nice year for Kevin.  

Looking at his numbers, I see a guy who swings early in the count, and is obviously good at making contact. Due to his age, what you see is probably what you're going to get, and that certainly isn't a bad thing. I think Shea Hillenbrand is a pretty good comp, and don't think that's a put-down; most prospects will never give you that kind of production.

I covered Andrew Brown in detail a couple weeks back, and certainly nothing's happened to change my opinion. He has some promise, but the Indians have promising arms by the bucketload - what they need are good relievers. Assuming they'll reload the bullpen, there probably wasn't room for Brown in it (he's out of options), and I'd rather they move him now in a trade of consequence than worry about losing him on waivers in five months.

Josh Barfield is 23 years old, has exactly one year of service time, and hit .280/.318/.423 in San Diego, which thanks to Petco's cavernous confines equates to a 94 OPS+. There are two splits (sample size caveat!) worth noting: he hit .319/.355/.484 on the road, and .331/.378/.587 against left-handed pitching. Barfield, like Kouzmanoff, likes to swing: he saw on average 3.5 pitches per plate appearance. When attempting a steal, he was successful 80% of the time, a very nice percentage. And yes, he's the son of Jesse Barfield, former Blue Jay and Yankee.

Both teams traded for similar (in terms of service time) players that filled gaping holes. It saved cash for both clubs, in that most of the solutions for their problems would have millions of dollars. Instead, they swapped renewable contracts, freeing up money to fill voids elsewhere. The Indians can now use the $4-5M earmarked to find a second baseman to land an outfielder or a reliever. And they now have a second baseman that they control for the next five years.

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It might just be me but I think we can finally end the rampant first initial of the first name- first syllable of the last name stupidity (A-Rod, TMac etc.) Cleveland I give you... J-Barf
Wait 'til next year... or something like that

by Brad D on Nov 8, 2006 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

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Hillenbrad is a nice comparison, but I think Kouz's minor league numbers will translate into more power than Shea has put up. The rest of his game will probably be similar to Shea's.

Love the deal.

by hans on Nov 9, 2006 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

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The money thing is becoming the elephant in the room. Where is all this free agent cash gonna go???

I can hardly contain myself. This is going to be exciting.

And yeah, I've already anticipated comments about "NOWHERE! DOLAN IS KEEPING IT!" Can't a boy dream?

by afh4 on Nov 9, 2006 2:03 AM EST reply actions  

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This does give us tremendous options in terms of the FA market.  I think this makes my personal wish list - Jason Schmidt - a serious possiblity.  He's definitely a west coast guy, but if we can swing another trade for one of our 2 holes in the pen, we could be dangerous with our excess cash.  I wouldn't be to disappointed in a Schmidt/Foulke/Byrd for reliever offseason and a few minor deals to round out the team.

by Ghostof WillHartley on Nov 9, 2006 4:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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If they're smart, Dolan will keep it because there's nothing to spend it on. This is a horrid year for free agents, and until the team settles in at a more consistent/predictable level of performance, I think there's too much risk.

I wasn't a fan of Dolan's and I still believe letting Manny go was a huge mistake. But small market teams have to be careful with their money, or you end up wasting millions on, say, Paul Byrd...

by buckeyeskeeve on Nov 9, 2006 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

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Any idea on what J-Barf is like defensively?  After all that was the main aim of getting a 2B

Shame to see such a hot prospect leave, but he would probably have been wasted here anyway so good luck to him.  I guess that means Garko should probably be staying now too.

by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on Nov 9, 2006 4:07 AM EST reply actions  

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I could still see Garko as trade bait, his value is high, and we have a lot of options at 1st.
Fan in Texas

by fanintexas on Nov 9, 2006 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

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Do we have that many options at first though?  From what's been said here before Victor would be wasted at first and is Casey really an option for the whole season?  As far as I can remember there isn't anyone else, unless we pick up someone new.

by Luis (Tribe Fan in London) on Nov 9, 2006 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

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To fill the holes we have in the bullpen, we are going to have to trade some of our young players.  Guthrie, Davis, Cabrera, Garko, Shoppach, Choo, Gutierrez, Snyder plus some vets like Westbrook, Michaels, Betancourt, Byrd, Lee. It is going to make some people mad, but we finsihed 4th and to get something you have to give up something, and the FA market is not that good.      
Fan in Texas

by fanintexas on Nov 9, 2006 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

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As a former Clevelander that lives in San Diego, I was able to see Barfield play all year. He's got tremendous upside, but defensively, he needs some work. He doesn't have great range and his arm isn't exactly herculean. He'll make the routine plays, but don't expect a whole lot in the way of web gems or Sportscenter highlights from him when playing defense.

by hershey3971 on Nov 9, 2006 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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Wow, how does one balance what San Diego Hershey says about Barfield's defense with the following from the Associated Press:

"Barfield will help Cleveland's defense, too. His .987 fielding percentage -- he had nine errors in 684 total chances -- was third best among NL second basemen. One of the Indians' biggest deficiencies last season was their horrid fielding up the middle, which should improve dramatically because of Barfield's speed and range."

I guess range is like beauty; it's in the eye of the beholder.

by kov on Nov 9, 2006 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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Well, one is a scout's opinion, for what it's worth.  

The other is an assessment of defense based on errors only, which is worth almost nothing.

by dgcambridge on Nov 9, 2006 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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Oops sorry, didn't mean to make Hershey into a scout.  I was thinking of the BA article.

by dgcambridge on Nov 9, 2006 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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The AP assessment was not based only on errors. They thought our defense would improve based on speed and range.

by kov on Nov 10, 2006 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh.
For the love of everything holy, let's not start calling him j-barf.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard "...and Victor Martinez grounds into a double play", i'd be rich.

by Rayman @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 9, 2006 6:55 AM EST reply actions  

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J-Bar works better. Better still, how about "Barfield"?

by Jeffrey R on Nov 9, 2006 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

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I admit the amusement I get out of stupid nicknames might be bordering on extreme, but...if his speed continues to develop as a big part of his game can we call him the "Vomit Rocket"?  Anyone, anyone...

by APV on Nov 9, 2006 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

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Personally, I'm leaning towards "vomit comet".

by VA tribe fan on Nov 9, 2006 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

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He's supposed to be excellent defensively, per ESPN:

"Barfield will help Cleveland's defense, too. His .987 fielding percentage -- he had nine errors in 684 total chances -- was third best among NL second basemen."

The one thing that I don't like looking at his numbers (among many, many things I do like) is his low (.310) OBP.  He's an aggressive hitter, and likely needs to learn better patience.  That said he showed excellent contact skills, good speed, good defensive play, and even a modicum of power.  

Welcome to the Tribe, Barfield.

by danvail on Nov 9, 2006 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

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j-barf is probably the funniest thing ive heard in awhile!!!! kudos...lmao

did anyone read PD today and see indians might have bid on matsuzaka?  did we grow 30 million for posting fee and another 30-40 mill to sign him?  or more i heard?  curious?  smoke screen?

by rockycolavito on Nov 9, 2006 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

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I was surprised to hear the Indians may have put in a bid as well.  Who knows, though, it could be false or it could be the Indians put in the "Price is Right" $1 bid.  Regarding J-Barf, maybe we can just shorten it to Barf, a la Spaceballs.

by APV on Nov 9, 2006 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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Mart to Barf to Gark...double play.  Westbrook is out of the inning....

by Chiefroy on Nov 9, 2006 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

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wow. This trade works on so many levels.

by hans on Nov 9, 2006 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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Soriano to replace Barfield for San Diego??

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/10277755/detail.html

by Pronkta Clause on Nov 9, 2006 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

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After a night's sleep, I think I still don't like this trade, to the tune of 60/40.  

I think we could have done better for Kouz. I don't think Barfield's plate discipline is likely to improve to an acceptable level.  I don't think he has established a strong career trend that comforts me when I think that he's only 23.  I think Kouz is ready to put on a show in the majors for the next 4-5 years. I think IgLu was pretty good, though he isn't a conventional solution to the problem of "a glaring hole at 2B", and doesn't fit with Shapiro's MO of attempting to get young, stud, franchise players.

I think this was a comfort trade.  I think the fans will, in general, be happy with it b/c they have a young, defensive 2B in place. But I can't be sure it was the smartest thing to do.

Is anybody with me?

by Thommy on Nov 9, 2006 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

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Not me, but I've never been a fan of anyone whose value was solely driven by batting average. I do find this interesting, though (and I haven't seen it posted anywhere else on this blog):

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061109/news_1s9barfield.html

"Convinced the Yankees were on the verge of acquiring Kouzmanoff for slugger Gary Sheffield, the Padres pulled the trigger on the trade, which also brings them Triple-A reliever Andrew Brown."

It sure looks like Kouz was on his way out of town, one way or another. It also says one (or both) of two things: either Shapiro trusts Garko as our 1B, or he's going to be signing a 1B/OF before the offseason is over.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 9, 2006 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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that is interesting. i wonder how true it is. would you rather have a malcontent like sheffield, at the end of his career, coming off injuries, or a young, by all accounts solid and well-rounded but unspectacular middle infielder?
i think i'd have to go with barfield unless the tribe really thought sheffield would put us over the edge and into contention.
the guy already said he wouldn't be happy playing for 1 year in a new city, and he's got clubhouse cancer written all over him. a great player who has played for 6 teams and is always angry about something

by brad on Nov 9, 2006 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

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Are you saying Kouz's value was driven solely by BA?  I'd disagree with that.  I know some of the BTF posters said they'd take Kouz over Marte at this point.  I disagree completely, but I agree with Thommy that Kouz could end up raking.

Fascinating link.  Towers also says he thinks 3B is harder to fill than 2B.  That's a tough question, I think.

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 9, 2006 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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What I mean is: if he doesn't hit for average, he's probably not worth starting. He's not Ichiro, a guy who hits for average but also plays a stellar CF/RF and steals a lot of bases. If Kouz hits .260, he's almost definitely going to suck. As Ryan said, think Shea Hillenbrand (who hits .285 and still sucks as an all-around player).

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 9, 2006 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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If anybody hits .260, they are pretty much going to suck (apoligies to Mr. Dunn.)

by Thommy on Nov 9, 2006 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

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Hillenbrand never posted a minor league OBP over .396; Kouz's career minor league OBP was over .396.  Hillenbrand slugged over .500 once in his minor league career; Kouz's career minor league SLG was .561.

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 9, 2006 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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He's not going to suck if he hits .260; as mkwng said, he had more power than Hillenbrand. Maybe I should have said a bigger Brandon Inge, although Inge had a much different career path.

by Ryan on Nov 9, 2006 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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Inge's value comes from playing an outstanding 3B, something Kouz doesn't excel at. Hillenbrand and Inge are very similar offensive forces (Shea actually has more power), and I think Kouz's upside is probably a notch above that. If he hits .260, his OBP will be in the .325 range, and he probably won't be slugging .500. If he turns into a decent defender, it's not that he would suck...I'm just saying he wouldn't be much better than Shea Hillenbrand. Any random prospect turning into Shea is a fine result, but if Kouz ends up turning into a Shea clone, I think the Padres would be disappointed. When he's cheap, that's fine, but when he hits arbitration, he begins to lose a lot of value.

by Kos @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 9, 2006 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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Not soley driven by batting average, but it makes up a large percentage of his OBP. His profile is not anywhere near a Travis Hafner, who became a very patient hitter as he moved up the minors.  

I know some of the BTF posters said they'd take Kouz over Marte at this point.

Sure, I'd take Kouz's offense over Marte's for 2007, even 2008. But by the same token, Marte is better than Kouz as a defender right now, and is young enough to get better. It's the same argument I made during the summer, when Kouz was seen as a challenger for Marte at third base.

by Ryan on Nov 9, 2006 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

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I've got the feeling that Marte's 2006 v. 2007 numbers are going to give us kind memories of hafner's 2003 v. 2004 and grady's 2004 v. 2005. just call me optimistic, but i think the lights will turn on for the kid

by brad on Nov 9, 2006 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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Wow. Sure sounds like a narrow escape for us then.  We fill a hole, and we DON'T have Gary Sheffield.  So, we win on this deal on more than one count.
July 28, 2006 - The Andy Marte Era officially begins. Proud to be the unofficial Andy Marte Apologist.

by woodsmeister on Nov 9, 2006 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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Not me.

I think Barfield is an obvious upgrade defensively over any other second baseman we had in 2006, and brings considerably more athleticism to the middle infield than we've seen in years.  But I think his evident appeal to the Tribe was most essentially his potential offense.  I also think that while Kouz will hopefully be great for the Pods, he was an extra on our team.  A man without a position.  

Every deal for a valuable player is going to cost valuable players.  I just don't believe GM's get "fleeced" as often as we might hope, or believe.  

by MTF on Nov 9, 2006 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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As for the Barfield's splits. I remember reading that he had trouble with righties in the minor leagues also. Thus he always mashed lefties, and the lefty/righty split has a much larger sample size and is likely to be consistent. I'm sure this had something to do with the FO's thinking, as Sizemore has the inverse split (mashes righties, struggles against lefties).

by oxforddave on Nov 9, 2006 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

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what do you mean by thier thinking?

by hans on Nov 9, 2006 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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The FO stated when Crisp was traded that they didn't like his splits (i.e. he couldn't hit lefties). This isn't really a huge problem for Crisp as long as he hits righties and does not bat right behind Sizemore (who also struggles against lefties). Now they have effectively traded Crisp's splits for Barfield's splits (which mesh better with the current tribe lineup). Not a big reason to make the deal, but a minor one. And minor ones can add up.

by oxforddave on Nov 10, 2006 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

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I don't remember the front office talking much about Crisp's splits, though I certainly did.  Anyway, splits do not tend to play equally for lefties and righties in any number of ways.  You see a lot fewer players with right-on-right problems than left-on-left, mostly because it's hard to make it in the majors with the former problem.  You can become a fringy major league starter, like Eduardo or Michaels.

But another reason you see fewer is that it's easier to work out of these problems.  Once a lefty gets a reputation for not being able to hit lefties, it's awfully hard for him to work his way out of it, a process that takes a whole lot of plate appearances against lefties.  Those are not easy to come by to start with, and they get a lot harder once you get a reputation.

Not so for the right-on-right problems.  If your team makes you a starter, they can rest you sometimes against righties and use pinch-hitters liberally, and you're still going to get in 250 plate appearances against righties regardless.  So it becomes a lot more likely that you can work through that problem over time.

Regardless, I think this issue has been overplayed, and in fact I think it's a non-issue.  Barfield had a 675 OPS against righties last season, which for a rookie right-hitting middle infielder is not the least bit bad.  The real story is that he crushes lefties, to the tune of a 965 OPS.  That is a huge platoon split, but my point is that the vs-RHP part of it is quite livable given his position.

by Jay on Nov 10, 2006 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

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So what do the projected batting orders look like, assuming no more player transactions?

Vs. Lefties:

  1. Grady (CF)
  2. Barfield (2B)
  3. Pronk (DH)
  4. Victor (1B)
  5. Blake (RF)
  6. Marte (3B)
  7. Peralta (SS)
  8. Shoppach (C)
  9. Michaels (LF)

Vs. Righties:
  1. Grady (CF)
  2. Blake (RF)
  3. Hafner (DH)
  4. Victor (C)
  5. Garko (1B)
  6. Marte (3B)
  7. Peralta (SS)
  8. Choo (LF)
  9. Barfield (2B)

I'm just taking a stab, I'm not the best at this exercise.  Does Choo need to stay in RF or can he play Left?  If so, does Blake find time at 3B?

by Brick. on Nov 9, 2006 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

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If you're asking can Choo play RF, I think the answer is yes. He's a converted CF with a pretty good arm, so I don't think RF would be a big deal. Maybe I'm wrong though.

I think the opening day lineup will look something like that. I don't think Blake will stay in the 2 hole for very long though-hopefully either Peralta or Barfield hit well enough to swap with him by June. And yeah, I know that's asking a lot of Barfield against righties but he's young and it's not out of the question for Wedge to put somebody in the two hole when his platoons say it doesn't make sense.

Really though, can't cross my fingers hard enough for Jhonny. I want 2005 Jhonny to appear.

by afh4 on Nov 9, 2006 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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As much as I like these lineups, I still think that Eric Wedge won't abandon his Jason Michaels in the #2 spot mental block, and that's what we'll be stuck with regardless of what hand the pitcher throws with.
July 28, 2006 - The Andy Marte Era officially begins. Proud to be the unofficial Andy Marte Apologist.

by woodsmeister on Nov 9, 2006 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

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Regardless of this trade, i still think odds are that Micheals will be traded this offseason. I'm not against keeping him per se, but if we can aquire bullpen help for him (reverse rhodes deal) than I'd do it. I'd be happy with Gutz or another outfield pick up like L.Gonzo or someone like that.

by hans on Nov 9, 2006 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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vs lefties:

  1. Grady
  2. Michaels
  3. Hafner
  4. VMart
  5. Garko
  6. Blake
  7. Marte
  8. Peralta
  9. Barfield

vs righties:

  1. Grady
  2. Choo
  3. Hafner
  4. VMart
  5. Garko
  6. Blake
  7. Marte
  8. Peralta
  9. Barfield

Choo has a great arm and he'll platoon in RF w/Blake who moves to left vs righties.  Maybe.

by Chiefroy on Nov 9, 2006 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Shapiro
Was there any value in sending Kouz to SD before the posting for Iwamura completed?  Does this make SD's bid less because they are in less need for a 3B and thus more likely for the Tribe to win the bid?  

Let's say we get Iwamura.  Is Shapiro looking at Iwamura as a possible 1B in addition to being an outfielder for insurance on Garko?  Is he still shopping Garko around?

Ah, that tricky Shapiro...you never know what he is up to.

by dvd1204 on Nov 9, 2006 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

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Interesting profile of Barfield from a month ago:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061005/news_1s5sullivan.html

I like how you have Hafner hitting 3rd against lefties, but you have Pronk hitting 3rd against righties.  Shrewd.

by Jay on Nov 9, 2006 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

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In regards to Iwamura: Shapiro said on 1100 today that he was "considering" making a bid on him. I hardly got the impression that our bidding on him was a done deal. That came as a bit of a surprise to me. Shapiro also seemed somewhat optimistic that his bid on Matsuzaka (apologies if I spelled that wrong) was competitive. The one other thing I gleaned from the interview was that he was still involved in talks for Sheffield.

I have had a day to think about this trade and I still love it. Besides bringing us the nickname J-Barf (undoubtedly my greatest contribution to this point) it gives us an option all over the lineup. J-Barf said on the air that he would love to hit behind Grady and the two hole is where he is most comfortable. I think he looks like a nice fit in the 7-9 spots as well. It's great when you can fill a defensive hole and a hole in the lineup with one move.

Wait 'til next year... or something like that

by Brad D on Nov 9, 2006 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

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It's a risk taking a first-year player solid(like Peralta), but I like move.
Dawgs By Nature - Browns version of Lets Go Tribe.

by Chris Pokorny on Nov 9, 2006 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Barfield from Padres perspective
In SD, we are scratching our heads on this one.  Barfield was solid in his first year in the bigs.  Besides the 280 avg, he has some clutch hits, icluding a memorable walk off near the end of the season.  He had 7 errors at 2B, but he has quick reflexes and makes smart plays.  He has a lot of upside and you will enjoy watching him play as much as we did this year.

by planetjeffy on Nov 9, 2006 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

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For a second baseman, seven errors in 150 games is not a bad thing, it's a good thing.  Barfield actually had 9 errors, which is still better than average.  His .987 fielding percentage was third-best in the NL, where the average was .982.

by Jay on Nov 9, 2006 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6155678

"...However, three scouts from rival clubs stated flatly on Thursday that Kouzmanoff can not play third base, contending that he is better suited for first or a designated hitter's role..."

I Think the Indians obviously knew/suspected this knew this and did their best to hide the fact.  Remember during his call-up he really only DH'd and in the AFL he played first.  I think they kept his marketability as high as possible the way they handled him this year.

by Brick. on Nov 10, 2006 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

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Scouts have said for a long time that Kouzmanoff at first looks mediocre at third base.  But they've also said that after watching him over a period of several games, he looks better and better, with a productive dirty-uniform approach and a lot of consistency.  So scouts who have seen him more tend to rate him as "decent."  Obviously he wasn't going to win any minor-league Gold Gloves, though.

by Jay on Nov 10, 2006 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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To the point on Kouz at third, Chris Kline gets quoted frequently saying:

He plays a solid third--nothing pretty, but he makes all the plays. With Andy Marte in the system ahead of him, and given his performance, what do you do? Move him to first? That doesn't make much sense. It's just a very intriguing situation and he needs to stay healthy--bottom line.

by MTF on Nov 11, 2006 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

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