Game One Hundred Seventy: Indians 7, Red Sox 3

by Ryan on Oct 17, 2007 1:13 AM EDT in News

Indians lead series 3-1

Recap
Box Score
Win Probability Added @ Fangraphs

Highest WPA:

Paul Byrd .252
Casey Blake .136
Jhonny Peralta .095

Lowest WPA:

Travis Hafner -.096
Kenny Lofton -.058
Asdrubal Cabrera -.016

All 10 runs scored in Game 4 came in two consecutive team at-bats.

Tim Wakefield, who had cruised through the first four innings, "hung" a knuckler to Casey Blake, and he hammered the pitch deep into the Home Run Porch. After that, a series of fortunate events prolonged the inning, including Kevin Youkilis dropping a pop fly that would have been out number two. Later in the at-bat, Tim Wakefield deflected a probable double play ball, driving in another run.

But the biggest hit of the game came after Wakefield left. Manny Delcarmen's mid-90s heat was supposed to provide a major change of pace from Wakefield's lazy knucklers. Apparently they weren't aware of Jhonny Peralta's affinity for the outside fastball. Peralta rocketed a high Delcarmen fastball to the right field seats.

Paul Byrd, meanwhile, had given the Indians five solid innings. About the only thing that wasn't working for Byrd was the double windup (he gave up hits on two of the three times he used it). A generous strike zone aided Byrd, who used his control he fool and frustrate Boston hitters. But the Cleveland mesmerizer doesn't usually last long, which is why Eric Wedge had Jensen Lewis warming in the sixth. Byrd lost it quickly, giving up no-doubters to Kevin Youkilis and David Ortiz.

Byrd was removed without recording an out in the sixth, which suited the Indians just fine. Because of the off day on Wednesday, Lewis and Betancourt were both available for multiple innings. If Game 5 was played on Wednesday, Wedge would have had to either go with Byrd a while longer or use Rafael Perez for an inning or two.

Manny Ramirez finished off a back-to back-to back home run streak, hammering a Jensen Lewis 3-2 pitch to right. Ramirez admired his handiwork like he'd just won the game, and that admiration will be filed away for later retribution.

The Indians got some breaks, but to their credit, they capitalized fully on them. Travis Hafner was the only starter not to reach base, and each of the seven runs was scored by a different hitter. And the bullpen was fantastic yet again.

Next Up: Game 5, and a chance to clinch the pennant. Sabathia vs. Beckett.

I'll be out of town for a few days, so Jay's driving for Game 5. See you on Saturday.

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Re: Game One Hundred Seventy: Indians 7, Red Sox 3

Awesome, awesome win ..... but this is no time to let up.

A few of my own observations.

Is it just me, or does Jhonny remind you of Jeter when he hits those homers to RF. Reminds me of Jeter reaching and poking towards the short porch in Yankee Stadium. Heck, the way Jhonny plays defense is similar to Jeter, no range. Only Jeter can make that highlight throw from the LF grass and Jhonny can't.
While the strike zone was large for Byrd, it was also very large for Wakefield and company. There were plenty of high pitches called strikes on our guys.
Manny's move was truly classless. I was pleasantly surprised Raffy didn't bean him in the 8th. Am hoping the first AB he sees against us next year, the SP (hopefully CC) drills him straight in the ribs.

I love the 3-1 lead. But do not think for any chance this is over. We cannot let them breathe. CC needs to fire at the strike zone until the Red sox start swinging early in the count, then he can nibble. I'd love to see Grady open with a bunt, AsCab to bunt him over, and play for a run in the 1st. Just to knock Beckett off his game at the start. Then hopefully tattoo him. Here's to his to stiff back not loosening up completely.

by talonk on Oct 17, 2007 1:30 AM EDT reply actions

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Manny's behavior really bothered me. I can't imagine a situation in which he doesn't get drilled - and deservedly so.

Girardi gave him the business in the postgame.

LGT

by macasson on Oct 17, 2007 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions

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The only scenario I can imagine where Manny doesn't get drilled next April is one in which Wedge tells his team, "Who cares? He acted like an idiot, and he's already made himself a fool. If we hit him, we stoop to that moron's level. The best retaliation is to ignore him, because he's irrelevant."

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions

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Tabs, you never - ever - show up an opponent - never.

If I'm Lewis I file that one away and the next time he's up I strike him out on a high heater and then point at Manny and give him the double fist pump. See how he likes being on the other end of it.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions

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Chuck,

Make no mistake -- what Manny did was disgusting and absurd. His behavior gives me even more pride in our Indians -- we don't have a single player who would think about pulling a stunt like that.

But sometimes the best way to strike back is to laugh at the idiot. The jerks of the world want us to get angry; get upset; get flustered. They don't deal well when we make them irrelevant.

Go play golf, Manny, and maybe we'll stick a heater in your ribs next April. If we even care.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions

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So Manny celebrated because he wanted us to hit him? What? He celebrated because he's a selfish asshole with no concept of where his team is and what that home run actually accomplished. In Manny's mind, all he knows is he hit one out, and therefore things are great. Really, this is not some master conspiracy on his part to incite us.

by maledicta on Oct 17, 2007 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions

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I think he means that Manny wants to get everyone's attention (the "conspiracy" is to have everyone look at him). It's no different than a 2-year old. One of the easiest ways to do it is by prancing around like he did last night and during the 5th inning of Game 2.

It's just that when he does that in front of the opposing crowd, the attention is anger. When he does that in front of the home crowd, he gets laughter and chants of "Manny!" with kisses being blown to him when he goes to left field.

I think we are all talking about the same elephant here, just from different perspectives.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions

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This is exactly right.

I should also clarify that I'd be fine if we nailed him in the ribs, but I don't need it to happen. He's going to lose, and that's plenty enough for me. He also has to enjoy the ever-growing reputation he has for being an idiot and an ass.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions

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So, to finish up - maybe the best reaction to Manny's behavior is no reaction at all. Let the 2-year old do absurd things to get attention, but don't feed into it and reinforce the behavior...

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions

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No, I'd rather we throw at him. But only if the situation allows it. I'm obviously not willing to take the runner on in a tight game, but he needs to feel it a little.

When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 17, 2007 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions

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You know what? Screw this passive agressive bull. If this was the 40's or 50's (or any other decade in baseball other than the 90's and 00's) Manny would've gotten some well-deserved chin music and/or a heater to the ribs in his next at-bat.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 17, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions

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Playing to win is not passive-aggressive.

by Jay on Oct 17, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

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eah, yeah. I know. I'm not saying to cost us the game by beaning Manny. I just think that in general, not just this situation, people shy away from holding showboaters accountable by using the excuse that "well that's the reaction they want."

I mean I'm not advocating Ozzieball here (petty retribuion as a rule rather than an exception is idiotic), but if ever there was a guy that deserved a shot to the ribs, it's Manny.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 17, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

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Personally, I think the rest of the Red Sox team, including Francona, probably dumped all over Manny after the game. They know the last thing they need in the playoffs is to hand the Indians further motivation to end the series tomorrow.

I think the best way to punish Manny is post a huge picture of him standing at the plate after his home run with his arms raised in triumph, in the clubhouse so everyone can be reminded of his disrespect...and then focus on sending his ass home until spring.

by LeftyCatcher on Oct 17, 2007 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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See Lefty that's proof that both of us are getting old. The 25 y.o. me would want to rip his beating heart out of his chest with my bare hands and then eat it like an apple.

But now, sending him home for the duration of the play-offs will hafta suffice.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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Ah Chuck. Substitute me in place of 25 year old you then.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 17, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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Me too. Although as a soon-to-be 30-yr-old, I don't want his heart ripped out by human hands, I merely want him beaned by a fastball, and then to have his heart ripped out by the <strike>tragedy</strike> poetic justice of losing to our AL Central Champion Cleveland Indians.

When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 17, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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OT: Can someone explain to me how to make strikethrough work on this BB?

Jay? Ryan?

When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 17, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Re: Game One Hundred Seventy: Indians 7, Red Sox 3

You can make the "del" tag work, but only if you switch to pure "HTML Formatted" mode. I don't know of a way to do it in Auto-Format.

by Jay on Oct 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions

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<del>Danke shoen.</del> Thank you.

When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 17, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

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Negative keptin.

When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 17, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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Hmm, wishing for back-to-back bunts seems like a way to un-rally. I'll take full, discerning swings.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions

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Manny is so classless and clueless that it did not upset me. In fact, I was relieved that he did it because if the Tribe needed any reminder about who they are up against, Manny provided it. Tomorrow when CC is on the mound, all he needs to do his remember that stupid move and take it to the entire team.

If I were a Boston fan (and player), then I would be pissed. At the very moment when they felt they were climbing out of the whole, Manny relaxed and lost his grip. The team was toast after that. You could tell that Timmy Mac was upset by his silence on Fox because he knew how deflating it would be for the Red Sox (he and Fox SOoo do not want an Indians-Rockies series).

As for beaning Manny in the back the next time the Indians face the Red Sox, I'm not so sure that will happen. I expect the Red Sox will trade him in December to the National League and be rid of him (but that is a discussion for another day).

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions

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Jhonny's power is to right, right-center. I'm not expert but his swing seems awfully long (and not quick enough) for him to get around on pitches. When he drives them straight ahead or opposite field he CRUSHES the ball. It's what I always look for when he's up.

Manny is a twit.

by osoc13 on Oct 17, 2007 1:36 AM EDT reply actions

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I recommend we rename this site to Lhets Gho Thribe.

Every team needs that one guy to carry you into a World Series .. who would've ever guessed it would be Jhonny? Baseball is incredible!

-- --

The only downside to tonight was having to use Betancourt for two innings again.

by Toxicadam on Oct 17, 2007 1:51 AM EDT reply actions

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Check Betancourt's pitch count tonight: no problem.

Two innings is less important than the number of pitches.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions

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OT: But I have been at all 4 games and it seems to me that there are either

a. more sox fans for the ALCS than yankee fans for the ALDS OR
b. the sox fans are actually more obnoxious than yankee fans

I know there were threads on this in the past, but it is something that really bothered me tonight. To top it off, I was heckling the Sox fans around me with my typical "have you ever been to Boston, front-runner?" and not shockingly I hear from other tribe fans around us that the Sox fans are from Toledo and were chanting O-H-I-O to Hang on Sloopy, so I should cut them some slack. Excuse me? WTF?

by dvd1204 on Oct 17, 2007 1:53 AM EDT reply actions

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Meh, who cares. Watching on television it seems like the only Sox fan in the entire park was Theo Epstein. No reason to get fired up.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions

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There was also that fat guy who bought the Ortiz HR ball from that lady in RF.

And WTF was up with that guy behind her telling her not to throw it back? I really liked it when the guy in LF threw KY's HR back. Not sure if I would do it... but it was still really cool.

by KevinV on Oct 17, 2007 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions

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Maybe he didn't want her to get escorted out of her $100+ seat and out of the ballpark for throwing something onto the field.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Oct 17, 2007 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions

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Agreed. The throwing the ball back thing looks sorta cool, but when you remember that it's illegal, that you'll definitely get kicked out for it, and you're throwing out the best souveneir you can luck into getting at a game, it seems pretty stupid.

by painaxl on Oct 17, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

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Hrm, fair enough. I didn't know they'd boot her for it. I don't like that rule very much. Its understandable for the saftey of the players and all, but throwing it back is a great way to keep the crowd's spirit up after a homerun. They should try to find ways to accomodate harmless fun like that, while still stopiing bottle throwers, etc.

Personally, I would glady trade a $100 souvenier for the video of my throwing the ball back to the applause of the crowd.

by KevinV on Oct 17, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

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It stinks that they throw you out. Do they do it even in Wrigley?

I've always dreamed of catching a Yankee home run ball in the Bronx (the Tribe still enjoying a lead of course), and throwing the ball back on the field. THAT would be funny.

by JulioBernazard on Oct 17, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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We should sign the guy who threw back KY's homer.

The ball almost made it to second base on the fly.

by emd2k3 on Oct 17, 2007 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions

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He definitely has a better arm than Coco Crisp.

"Nice shooting. Don't get cocky." - Han Solo

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Oct 17, 2007 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions

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The Sox fans at the game last night, at least in my section were incredibly obnoxious. Some Bam-Bam Bigelow lookalike sitting two rows up was chirping us after the back-to-back-to-back shots. Only at the Jake could I feel safe enough with my Tribe back-up to chirp him back.

by supermarioelia on Oct 17, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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Sox fans....obnoxious, couldn't say it better myself.

by hans on Oct 17, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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Bam Bam Bigelow reference. Damn that takes me back.

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008.

by Gradyforpresident on Oct 18, 2007 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions

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As an aside, I was completely pissed off at Kelly Shoppach for swinging at 3 straight balls (two fouled off) in that 7 run inning. He wanted to pad his stats instead of taking a walk for the team.

Just a little thing, but something that bothered me once the Sox scored three more.

by Toxicadam on Oct 17, 2007 1:53 AM EDT reply actions

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I really think that stat-padding was the farthest thing from Shoppach's mind. He is really aggressive at the plate. Sometimes he hits walk-off HR's and we love it and sometimes he looks bad and you pile on. For a backup catcher, he is fantastic.

Dealing with it.

by Brad D on Oct 17, 2007 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions

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Padding his stats? C'mon. Kelly Shoppach is a free swinger. Nothing else to it.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions

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start mastny
drill manny in the first
bring in CC

by Freneau on Oct 17, 2007 1:57 AM EDT reply actions

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4. And piss test Betancourt for the 'roids!

by JesseAK on Oct 17, 2007 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions

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(we love you, RR)

by JesseAK on Oct 17, 2007 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions

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The Manny thing is being blown way, way out of proportion. He hit a homerun and then he pimped it. These things happen. It was not a big deal and it had no effect on the game. So, again, who cares? If that is the way he reacts when pulling his team back within four against the best bullpen in baseball, so be it.

The 'pen looks good for Thursday. All of the COT will be rested and ready. Hopefully CC will make a good showing and we can finish this thing at home.

Dealing with it.

by Brad D on Oct 17, 2007 2:26 AM EDT reply actions

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Manny is playing to the home crowd. His fans would be disappointed if he did'nt throw up his arms and swagger around the bases. It's his thuggish character and he plays it for all it's worth no matter what team he is playing against.

by 48FAN on Oct 17, 2007 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions

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You have to be the first person to ever refer to Manny as thuggish. Are you being sarcastic and I missed it?

Dealing with it.

by Brad D on Oct 17, 2007 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah, but not in the northern India/Kali kind of way.

by 48FAN on Oct 17, 2007 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions

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Just got back from the Jake, what a night it was. I honestly didn't have a single red sox fan anywhere near me, and it was great. I love everything about everything.

by The Animal on Oct 17, 2007 2:29 AM EDT reply actions

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Holy mother expletive expletive, we're one win away from the World Series. ONE EXPLETIVE WIN AWAY FROM THE WORLD SERIES!?!?!?! HOLY MOTHER EXPLETIVE EXPLETIVE!

I think it's beginning to dawn on me.

Sizemore-Shapiro 2008.

by Gradyforpresident on Oct 17, 2007 3:58 AM EDT reply actions

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That's more like it, GFP! At this point you ought to be wearing out the caps lock button like I wear out the hosel on my sand wedge.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions

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Wearing it out? I think he just hit it once at the beginning of the postseason. :)

Disclaimer: this post doesn't mean what you think it means.

by AngG on Oct 17, 2007 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions

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Wow! The energy you weren't feeling last night has returned. Great to see the ALL CAPS again.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions

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Misc notes:

Watching Grady run is a truly beautiful thing
Asdrubal's catch will be a memorable highlight
Manny being Manny is Manny being Man-Ass
Time for C.C. so step up...

by DixonCayne on Oct 17, 2007 6:50 AM EDT reply actions

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What are the chances of the press putting a moratorium on the use of the word 'upstart' in describing the Indians? If a team finished the season with the league's best record and had one of the top 3 records in the league for essentially the entire season....are they really 'upstart'?

by APV on Oct 17, 2007 7:36 AM EDT reply actions

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Grouse. Rabble.

by fleerdon on Oct 17, 2007 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions

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No its, going to be "streaking," now. Just like the Rockies, who went on a streak in September from 6 games out to win, what 20 out of 21 or something? Either that or "peaking."

-Bo

by bodiaz74 on Oct 17, 2007 8:28 AM EDT reply actions

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Is there a way that we can copyright "peaking", "streaking", and "upstart" and charge $1 for every time Fox and ESPN uses one of these words? We'd be rich, I tell 'ya!

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions

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What a game, and what hitting! It's incredible what we've been able to get out of 2 out, RISP situations. Amazing.

Paul Byrd was great, too, at least the first time through the line-up. With a pen like ours, though, who cares if he doesn't go deep into the game? Not me.

Losing the game made Manny look like an idiot, which he is, so I hope the Tribe lets it go at that. If retribution happens though no one can say he didn't earn it.

by MTF on Oct 17, 2007 8:43 AM EDT reply actions

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Dayn Perry actually did some research on the Tribe scoring with 2 outs in the post season, and it is pretty amazing stuff:

"Tribe hitters in the ALCS are slugging .540 with runners on, .615 with runners in scoring position, and .650 (!) with runners in scoring position and two outs. Oh, and 27 of the Indians' 51 runs this postseason have come with two outs.

by MTF on Oct 17, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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Re: Youk's drop of the pop-up.

Possibly mentioned in the game thread, but that was almost a back-breaker. Had Youk composed himself and caught the ball after bobbling it, they had Guitz doubled up at third. As soon as the ball hit the ground, the camera panned to home plate and Guitz was just crossing it. Without being at the game and able to see everything on the field, I'm assuming Guitz took off for home, head down, as soon as the ball hit Youk's glove the first time.

Now think how much this morning might suck if THAT had happened.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Oct 17, 2007 8:45 AM EDT reply actions

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Nope...Gutz would have been safe at home. A runner can tag up as soon as the fielder makes contact with the ball, not when he actually makes the catch.

by APV on Oct 17, 2007 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions

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Seriously? In all my years of playing/watching ball, I never knew that (and obviously, never witnessed it).

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Oct 17, 2007 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions

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I didn't know it before last night, either

by APV on Oct 17, 2007 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions

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I didn't know either, but felt proud that Gutz/Skinner did.

by MikeCP on Oct 17, 2007 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions

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Well, we don't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to know these things.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 17, 2007 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions

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Yeah well, they pay Manny 10's of millions and I bet he didn't know then and doesn't know now.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions

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You means I can tag ups? Wash the fugs is thees shits, man?

When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 17, 2007 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions

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Are you a fan of "The Dugout?"

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 17, 2007 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions

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On occasions, yes.

When bunting is a crime, only criminals will bunt.

by BostonWahoo on Oct 17, 2007 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions

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They actually noted on the broadcast that he's allowed to break for home as soon as the fielder touches it, no matter if he bobbles it or not (which makes sense, to prevent a fielder from "bobbling" a ball to throw off a tagging runner). So I was initially worried that they'd gotten a break on that non-catch cause Gutz would've scored easily.

by zempf on Oct 17, 2007 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions

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Interesting information about the rule interpretation.

I'd like to focus on the fact that Red Sox Nation is frustrated that this represents how the ball is not bouncing their way - and that Lady Luck is on the side of the Indians. Funny, no one was talking about Lady Luck when Garko flubbed that grounder to load the bases with no outs, only to see Westbrook pick up his teammate with some great pitching.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions

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Isn't it all a moot point since it's a foul ball?

by emd2k3 on Oct 17, 2007 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions

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No, you can tag up on a foul ball. Wouldn't it be more of a moot point if it was fair and Franklin scored either way?

by CBusSteve on Oct 17, 2007 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions

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Yes, but Gootz still had to go back to third, even though it was dropped. Correct? He can't score on a foul ball.

by emd2k3 on Oct 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

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That's right.

by Jay on Oct 17, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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I'm dumb. You can tag and score on a caught foul ball.

by emd2k3 on Oct 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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Why was it not an error?

by JulioBernazard on Oct 17, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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This has got my baffled. He dropped a foul pop-up. Sure looked like an error to me.

by oxforddave on Oct 17, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

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I had decided there must be one of those obscure baseball scoring rules that you cannot have an error on a foul ball -- an error has to result in somebody taking a base, not just a lack of an out (& a strike instead, unless 2 strikes already). Still, contrary to what the announcers said about it saving a run, dropping that foul pop hurt the Sox.

by sullidav on Oct 17, 2007 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Error on a foul ball

A fielder can make an error on a foul ball. Like all failures to make a catch, it is the scorer's decision.

Rule 10.12(a)(1)

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter ...

by JamesPowell on Oct 18, 2007 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions

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I guess they are saying since he had to go back on it, etc., it was enough effort for him just to get to the ball, and he couldn't completely be expected to catch it...

by JulioBernazard on Oct 18, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

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Just found a refreshing pro-Cleveland read on ESPN, here, that sticks to the core issue of the series so far: Cleveland has just been better.

by Thommy on Oct 17, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions

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Actually, Howard Bryant has been refreshingly evenhanded in all of his articles on espn.com so far regarding this series.

"Nice shooting. Don't get cocky." - Han Solo

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Oct 17, 2007 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions

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Wow, clearheaded, cliche-free reporting - from ESPN no less. Thanks Thommy!

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions

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It is worth noting that Bryant picked the Yankees to wallop us.

by crazymoloh on Oct 17, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions

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partially on the strength of a strong Clemens start. Oof!

by JulioBernazard on Oct 18, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

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Great read. The writer has been pro-Indians (or, not pro-Red Sox) throughout the series. He has been great to read.

As I mentioned yesterday, I knew the next couple days would be sweet to be among the Boston media (heck, I even sprung the 50 cents to buy the Globe this morning). This ESPN article was front and center during the morning talk show, as the hosts berated the article... not for what it said, but because the first paragraph was one sentence with 92 words. They even joked when one of the guys tried to read it without taking a breath. Don't they realize that other punctuation -- such as commas or dashes -- represent pauses for the reader???

After berating this article, they turned to the ESPN article about Paul Byrd's book, ripping into Byrd's comments.

Nice. When you have to rip on an article's punctuation or a player's heartfelt (and remarkably balanced) beliefs, you know the Boston media and fans have jumped the shark. (Oh, and did I throw in the fact that they think Wedge looks a homeless man and that Byrd looks like Tony Shaloub from the Men in Black movie?)

... And some may wonder why Manny gets away with his classless behavior in Boston...

Again, this is a special time to be among Red Sox Nation, truly special. I think I will go out and buy the Herald, now...

Go Tribe. Do not rest on these guys. Pummel them tomorrow and don't give them a chance to breath!!!

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions

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Actually Bryant is a die-hard Yankees fan. I saw him on First and 10 last week and he was saying the Yankees would come back and win that series.

Also, he is the same guy who berated Wedge for starting Byrd in Game 4 against the Yankees. link

I'm thankful he is putting decent stories out there, but he does have an ulterior motive.

by talonk on Oct 17, 2007 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions

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So, it is an anti-Red Sox angle.

That explains a lot.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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Well, its more covering his clueless, bandwagon climbing prognosticating ass. Picked the Yankees to win it all (mopping the floor with us 3-1).

by crazymoloh on Oct 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

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If manger criticism is the lowest form of baseball discourse than spelling and grammatical correction are the lowest form of literary criticism. If you can't argue with the ideas presented than maybe you can criticize the punctuation. Brilliant!

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 10:24 AM EDT reply actions

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I'm not sure where the sarcasm is directed (me or Red Sox Nation), but the sweet thing in Red Sox Nation - which included the Red Sox team - is that they have no idea what is hitting them. In fact, they don't realize they are being hit. It's not confidence, either. They are not thinking that "the Red Sox should be up 3-1". It's arrogance; they are thinking "the Indians should be down 3-1". In fact, I had one fan say to me, "Well, it doesn't matter because the Rockies will win the World Series..."

This is not a woe-is-me speech (as many might claim). I love the disrespect! Heck, Bill Belichick continues to win Super Bowls using this approach - and the Boston media love it.

The point I am making is that I find it very hard to see the Red Sox coming back because, quite simply, all of Red Sox Nation (including the players) have their heads up their asses. I say this with all due respect to the Red Sox. If they were to take their heads out of their asses, then I would be very afraid. But if today is any indication, it is not going to happen.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

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No sarcasm directed at you Spidey, it's just that I find smug, punctuation/spelling criticism tiresome - that's all. Just because an idea is presented in a hillbilly accent, for instance, doesn't mean the idea is flawed; in fact it has no bearing whatsoever on the quality of the concept.

Let those boys up there in New England keep their sense of superiority - hopefully it will keep them warm on those cold evenings in October while their watching the Tribe play in the World Series.

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

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Oy, how ironic is this: their=they're

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions

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I think the best part about "Manny being Ma- jackass" is that it's incensed us, hopefully fans and players alike. I'm glad we're not looking at this series as over and hope we play with an angry sneer.

http://www.LeCavs.com
We never surrender!

by Matt in LA on Oct 17, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions

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I really think you may be onto something - even a little edge can stave off complacency.

by macasson on Oct 17, 2007 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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"I'm not a sky-pointer ..."

Great story on Byrd.

by emd2k3 on Oct 17, 2007 11:02 AM EDT reply actions

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Yeah, I'm not usually one for the "spiritual journey" kind of stuff, but I was blown away at how sincere Byrd was in that discussion. I might even pick up his book.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 17, 2007 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

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Great quote. I mean, really great quote. Hey, whatever works for you, but the whole sky-pointing thing is goofy for me.

What I love about Byrd's approach is that he is saying that God does not take sides. And, it's quite foolish to credit God for a victory because the reverse truth of the statement is that God chose to not grant victory to the opposing team. I can understand saying it in the heat of the moment, but often players say it during an interview when the feeling has passed.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

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I am surprised by how superstitious I've been the last couple weeks. It's very out of character.

It's funny how I started imagining these "signs" all of the sudden, too. Bill Monroe's Nine-Pound Hammer played through my radio this morning:

Nine pound hammer
That killed John Henry
Ain't a gonna kill me...
Ain't gonna kill me-eee-ee

There's that number 9...

by homelytourist on Oct 17, 2007 12:01 PM EDT reply actions

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Me too, man. Though I've always had a propensity for it. I was freaking out when yesterday I was listening to my iPod and the Beastie Boys' "Sabotage" came on then my iPod died. Later, I was in Grady's car with my iPod on shuffle when the song came on again right as we shut off the car, then the Fox broadcast played it before a commercial break!

Also!

I was listening again on shuffle this morning to "Cleveland Rocks" and the "Rock and Roll Pt. 2," which was followed totally randomly by Randy Newman's "Burn On."

Weird.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Oct 17, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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I'm embarrassed to even mention this, but I saw a single large feather near my car today, and for a moment I considered it a sign. An unknown, funny feeling crossed over me. On any normal day I would make nothing of it, but for some reason I suddenly find myself drawn to the spirit world.

I have this feeling that if the feather is a sign at all, it is a good one.

So. What's next? I'm pretty much flipping out in anticipation, like, all the time now.

by homelytourist on Oct 17, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

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Someone call Dennis Kucinich!

by emd2k3 on Oct 18, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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It's wierd how baseball can turn normal, rational human beings into superstitious, twitchy freaks. I think it's all the time in between pitches that allows your mind to grind away in anxiety and superstitions are a way of coping.

I haven't listened to a 9th this entire post season. Even last night, when it was pretty much a lock, I turned it off.

by Toxicadam on Oct 17, 2007 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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I went to Game 3, and they won with the aid of my "It's Tribe Time Now" towel on my head.

In the middle of the 5th inning last night, I took that very same towel and placed it on my head as I watched in my living room, hoping to provide some luck.

Warrants mentioning.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Oct 17, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions

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All of you, keep doing exactly what you've been doing.

by dgcambridge on Oct 17, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions

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Where the hell have you been?

"the most vehement Yankee-hating guy I know" - Jay

by mauichuck on Oct 17, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions

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(Sniff) I didn't know you cared. I was serving a 50 day suspension from Jay for anti-Rouse sentiments.

Or I just have been stuck in a crazy couple of months since that fine Cliff Lee day in July. (Thanks again, great day!) Lots of life changes, haven't been online.

But I'm sitting in my office now, with a fantastic view of Coors Field out my window.

And I have tickets to Game 5 of the NLCS tonight. Oops.

And a son scheduled to show up tomorrow.

by dgcambridge on Oct 17, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

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See, I'm not the only one missing lately. Dave's been missing longer than I have. And I echo the superstitious crap, what with my whole, "not posting in the game threads until this is over" thing.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Oct 17, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

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I had no idea we were all so superstitious. I'd feel silly, but really I could care less. I want that championship, and I'll look silly in the meantime.

by nickjs21 on Oct 17, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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That will be tough to sustain, but I'll have to try. This will mean eating a lot of Hot Pockets, drinking on weeknights, reading turgid war histories, and the rest of the routine.

by homelytourist on Oct 17, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

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I did the exact same thing for the bottom of the 10th/top of the 11th of Game 2. It works wonders!

by baergagaga on Oct 17, 2007 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

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The folks at OTGM are grasping their brass balls today. Sounds desperate. They are still reeling from the pain of being kicked by the Indians yesterday.

by 48FAN on Oct 17, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions

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File Manny's behavior with the LeBron hat incident. WHO CARES?!

by stuart dean on Oct 17, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions

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http://nomaas.org/images/SlappyOHairless.gif

by emil minty on Oct 17, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions

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I was reading comments on another board where they were defending that as him beginning a slide and of course NOTHING AT ALL like A-Rod's slap in the playoffs a few years ago. If that's how he begins a slide, Pedroia is the worst baserunner I've ever seen since he very nearly runs into Victor & then drops to his knees before his arms even come down.

However, I'm pretty sure he was trying his best to faux-slide/knock the ball out there, which is exactly what it looked like when I saw it on TV live, too.

by zempf on Oct 17, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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Agree completely.

Pedroia was on Sportscenter tonight, totally irrascible. He was in the locker room being asked by reporters about the perceived problems the lineup is having.

His response, and I'm paraphrasing but this is close to exact:

"I nearly took Sabathia's head off to start the series, and that was an out, and I've hit a couple of balls hard that have been outs, so I know I'm swinging the bat well. The rest is for you guys to talk about. I don't give a shit."

He actually did say the last line.

If I were interviewing him, I'd have followed up with, "Fine, but let's establish one thing. You're still moved to tears by inside fastballs, right?"

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions

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I can't help but think this season that started in the snow just might end that way too...

in Colorado!

by emd2k3 on Oct 17, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions

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Oh, the joy.

My superstitions are getting the best of me, and I've been avoiding any board discussions to keep this winning thing around. Plus I'm just never home for games, so I'm missing out on the threads. I look forward to when the Series is over and I can return. Just wanted to say hello and express how excited I've been lately. Jay, your Esquire gig with Scott is top hat. The Congressional Medal of Freedom line is a keeper.

Manny's just an ox.
Pedroia's a wanker.

LGT.

by nickjs21 on Oct 17, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions

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Well last night was certainly incredible. My first ever game at Jacobs Field, and it was more than I could've ever imagined. If I decide to write a book of memoirs in 60 years from now, last night will have its own chapter. The atmosphere, the park, the towels, having 100 men in a washroom erupt in cheering as Casey hits his HR, getting a picture with John Adams, distracting Ken Rosenthal during a cellphone call, and the list goes on and on.

But I've got one story in particular that GFP will appreciate. So after roaming the streets for an hour postgame in a drunken stupor, we decide to head toward the players' parking lot. Casey comes over to sign (my buddy had his towel signed "Casey's Beard"), Byrd comes over (I ask him when we can expect his book to be released), Grady and Pronk both drive away as quickly as possible....and then over to the fence walks our buddy Jensen.

He starts talking to two gorgeous blondes standing next to me...he definitely knew them from somewhere. So Jensen goes to sign my ticket, and instead of congratulating him on the win, what's the first thing out of my mouth?

"Hey Jensen, for god's sake would you finally start accepting my Facebook invites?" The girls had a good laugh, and even Jensen looked at me and chuckled. Somehow it didn't come across as creepy...I honestly have no idea how. I started chatting them up as Jensen finished off the autographs...but of course the girls proceeded to walk to the other side of the fence and hopped in Jensen's car. A group of us proceeded to serenade him with such chants as "Welcome to the big leagues, playa" and "2 is better than 1".

Twas an awesome way to end off an epic night. It felt like the Tribe had won the World Series on the streets outside the Jake. I can't imagine what it could be like tomorrow night.

by supermarioelia on Oct 17, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions

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what kind of cars were the players rolling away in?

by ASP on Oct 17, 2007 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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Grady: Porsche Cayenne
Pronk: Big black SUV (not sure of the make/model)
Jensen: Nice looking Civic

by supermarioelia on Oct 17, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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I heard Blake drives an Ford Escort.

by hans on Oct 17, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

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"Nice-looking Civic."

DOES NOT COMPUTE. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

by JulioBernazard on Oct 18, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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Will you be there tomorrow? If yes, are you interested in swapping whatever choice tix you have for SRO tix? ;)

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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Nope unfortunately last night were the only tickets I had to the ALCS. Drove back to London this morning.

by supermarioelia on Oct 17, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions

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I have way too much catching up to do, so forgive me if we've covered this before. But remember when every analyst said the key to our postseason would be Travis getting hot? Other than walking a lot against New York, he's been pretty room temperature (or worse). And--just like April through September--we win anyway. I don't get this notion that October is so different. I do understand that there's only one of them. Thank you, Dane.

by nickjs21 on Oct 17, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions

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Well, he did homer in the first inning of this series.

And he got the game-winning hit in The Bug Game, and a hard smash two innings earlier that would have ended it had it not gone right at Mithcxkvjlaxz.

(Glad I got to do that one more time.)

But overall, he hasn't looked all that great.

by Jay on Oct 17, 2007 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions

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We'd all love to see Hafner get on base 10 times in a row, but he's still a strong presence and he's had his moments. The bug game winner will always be a Tribe classic moment.

This postseason has been a microcosm of the regular season, with one exception: CC has not delivered yet. That, friends, is about to change.

by tabler84 on Oct 17, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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So anyone else think Manny was posing because he knew he broke the post season homerun record? That Manny's always got his eye on the big picture.

by Brick. on Oct 17, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions

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He didn't give that impression in his interview today. But, I would not put it past him.

What would be awesome is if the Jake shows his arm raising video on the Jumbotron every time he gets an out.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions

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they've been fiesty this offseason... though usually with non-baseball direct jokes.

by Brick. on Oct 17, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions

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*postseason

by Brick. on Oct 17, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions

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So I've been told. I was at Game 2 of the ALDS in the bleachers and could not see the jumbotron. Heck, I couldn't even see the midges. I'm disappointed because I heard there were a few bug comments directed at the Yankees.

Oh well, here's hoping we get to the Series and I get a chance to return.

by Spidey on Oct 17, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Manny Manny Manny

From what I thought, Manny had mucho respect for the Indians and our organization. He was one that was disappointed to leave here after we did not shell out the money to keep him here. He was always considerate, even running homeruns out hard when at the Jake... Im not sure, maybe he forgot about the Tribe, maybe it was the playoffs, maybe he cant count and thought he just put the Sox in the lead, or maybe it is automatic..... He may not be used to being blown out like that. Normally every game is close and normally he has runners on base.

Whatever the issue, Manny was always a player I wished we kept, if he was willing to play for what he was worth.

by lesterjl on Oct 18, 2007 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions

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Manny is "worth" what the market will bear, and it was a market that we shouldn't even have bothered with.

by tabler84 on Oct 18, 2007 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions

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It was a market in which we did not win out with. I think that if we did get Manny, it would have been at the cost of many players we have now. But who knows, we could have had had the superstar player for more years, created more revenue on him alone, and built a door in LF for him to sneak into between innings. I mean, we already have the "mini monster out there".

by lesterjl on Oct 18, 2007 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions

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By the way Ryan/Jay, I noticed on the mlb blogs page, that somebody has usurped LGT as their blogname link

Don't ya think the original LGT has proprietary over this? Am sure we have a few lawyers on our site that can help out ;)

by talonk on Oct 17, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions

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what's doubly troubling is the fact that this blog is not linked in her "Baseball Blogs Worth Your Time" section.

by jeremy @ Let's Go Tribe! on Oct 17, 2007 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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She probably did not want to give away her "original idea". Anyway, this blog is the one worth chatting on. The other has like 3-4 replies to her articles.....In the ALCS no doubt.

by lesterjl on Oct 18, 2007 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions

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I doubt we have much of a claim on that name, but in any event, I'd leave that to the SB Nation guys. I don't really care.

I e-mailed and invited her over here. So be nice.

by Jay on Oct 18, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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Sorry I stepped on your feet. I just started my blog at the beginning of September, and have never been much of a blog reader until now, so I didn't realize the name was already taken until now. But this site is quality.

Also, on the note why my blog doesn't have many replies is because I really don't advertise. I write my blog for my pleasure and to share my thoughts with my friends. If people randomly stumble upon it, great, if not, I'm not going to go around begging for comments. I think I have good insight from time to time, but, I never claim to be an expert.

But I think one thing we can all agree on is that CC will have a good night tonight. Go Tribe!

Amanda @letsgotribe.mlblogs.com

Asdrubal Cabrera saved the 2007 Tribe season.

by Loving Asdrubal on Oct 18, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions