Indians sign Japanese closer Kobayashi
The Indians today made their first-ever big league signing out of the Japan League, inking renowned closer Masahide Kobayashi to a two-year deal for $6.25 million, with a club option for 2010. The righthander will collect $3 million in both 2008 and 2009, with a $3.5 million club option or $250K buyout in 2010. In a market that has guaranteed two to three times as much to middling relievers, the Indians seem to have scored yet another value signing, although not one entirely without risk.
Full story per Indians.com and ESPN.com.
Kobayashi, 33, was Chiba Lotte's number-one draft pick in 1999, and has amassed a 2.79 career ERA over 445 games and 580 innings. His 229 career saves put him third on the all-time list of the Japan League, behind Shingo Takatusi (289), who pitched briefly for the White Sox before returning in 2006, and Kaz Sasaki (252), who is also the career saves leader for the Seattle Mariners. Similar to Kobayashi, Sasaki came over at age 32, signing a five-year, $30 million deal in 2000. Despite great success in Seattle, he asked to be released from the final year of his deal (worth $9 million) to return to Japan with his family, who were unhappy in the U.S.
While not apparently a big strikeout guy, Kobayashi's fastball reportedly sits in the mid-90's, and he has a deceptive delivery that has been compared (perhaps lazily) to Hideki Okajima's. Truth is, probably none of us has seen this guy, and he wasn't exactly on our radar. As an unrestricted free agent, Kobayashi was free to negotiate with all teams and not required to go through the well-publicized posting system, in which teams bid for exclusive negotiating rights. He reportedly would like to be a closer but wasn't going to insist on it, a sentiment that echoes comments from Joe Borowski a year ago.
UPDATE: Keith Law weighs in here ...
Okay, now ... you might as well start getting those Usual Suspects and hot-dog-eating jokes out of your systems right now. Let's just hope this guy can eat some pie this season.
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I'm sure he wasn't crazy about the load we put on the Raffies this past year. Another arm is just what we need.
I'll be curious to see what happens to guys like Sowers/Lee/Laffey if they don't make the starting rotation. You think one would be kept on as long relief .. but I'm not sure if there is room now.
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Masa (through translator): A beautiful lake......, the Indians.......
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#30 it is!!!
by JPFrost on Nov 20, 2007 4:05 PM EST reply actions
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by E5 on Nov 20, 2007 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
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by woodsmeister on Nov 20, 2007 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
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I guessed the terms pretty close too today.
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Masa is a sweet name, btw.
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"Jacobs Field Era Indians Closers: Bringing the Hea(r)t (attacks) from Mesa to Masa"
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I like yours better, for both comedy and predicted outcome.
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 20, 2007 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 20, 2007 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
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Frankly, Mark is very hard on himself.
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 20, 2007 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 20, 2007 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
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by mikebrowns26 on Nov 20, 2007 5:36 PM EST reply actions
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by Joe on Nov 20, 2007 7:07 PM EST reply actions
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by Bogalusa Bomber on Nov 21, 2007 4:06 AM EST up reply actions
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I've done a bit of ESL teaching and judging by the sss of responses, I get the feeling he'll be able to communicated a bit right from the start with those in the clubhouse. Plus he's going to be going through a pretty hardcore immersion program given the plethora of Japanese in Cleveland. I don't know his travel or scholastic background, but for someone who's never worked in the US I was fairly impressed.
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by Bogalusa Bomber on Nov 21, 2007 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
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Also, see above: A nuanced judgment.
Big day here on the blog.
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by supermarioelia on Nov 20, 2007 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
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by fleerdon on Nov 21, 2007 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
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by supermarioelia on Nov 21, 2007 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
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Embryology helps you understand many congenital diseases - many. It helps you link one clinical finding with another. For example, many congenital pediatric neurologic diseases are linked to dermatologic findings. Any idea why? If you're familiar with the embryo derm plate you'll see.
Focusing too much on current clinical theory is a mistake. Medicine is a dynamic science - clinical stuff that is considered absolutely infallible will be disregard two of three decades from now. For example - every gastroenterologist I knew in school was totally convinced that peptic ulcers were linked to a bio-chemical imperfection in the stomach lining. They would laugh if you suggested a bacteriological origin.
It's just like baseball bro. Get the fundamentals down pat and the rest is easy. Know the origin of the various anatomical components and you'll be a star on rounds!
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As for the embryology, of course they help to explain congenital abnormalities, and the principles that are used to explain those I am very familiar with. It's the nitty gritty details I'll pass on for now.
Alright stop responding to my posts because I'm wasting precious time.
by supermarioelia on Nov 21, 2007 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
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Try the veal, and be sure to tip the waitress.
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by Harry Doyle on Nov 21, 2007 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
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by Pronktastic on Nov 21, 2007 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
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by Harry Doyle on Nov 21, 2007 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
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can't wait to read more about it after i get caught up on the latest in futbol vs. football and the difference between a carmona inning and a miller inning.
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(Pretty sure fair use applies to let me post this entire comment under a "total idiocy" provision.)
by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 20, 2007 9:58 PM EST reply actions
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by drerikbrady on Nov 20, 2007 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
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Ya think it would help is somebody told this douche nozzle that the Tribe was the second - and only by a whisker - best team in all of baseball last year? Probably not.
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by TheVanillaGorilla on Nov 20, 2007 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
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A real Left Fielder is a must for this team. These platoons just do not work out of the long haul and does nothing but block your young prospects. Its also true we can not rest on what we accomplished last year as that will mean nothing come March. Detroit has already upgraded their team and they were not bad last year. We can not simply think we will be as good this year as we were last year. Hafner had a very down year last year but you don't know if he is going to bounce back. Victor Martinez had a bounce back year as a catcher but you simply can't count those chickens before they hatch. We are in great position to do something for this organization that can benefit us not only this year but long term if we proceed with caution but also fortitude. This signing is a good one and hopefully will be as great of an asset as Dice K and Okie were for the Red Sox. Patience is a virtue but Champions don't need it.
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by supermarioelia on Nov 20, 2007 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
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by drerikbrady on Nov 20, 2007 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
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by jeremy @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 20, 2007 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 21, 2007 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
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Step 1: We don't know what to expect from every player next year.
Step 2: We should look to improve our team if that opportunity presents itself.
Pretty basic.
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The Hernandez and Fultz signings were not needed last year in my opinion. I honestly can't tell whether Shapiro made the moves to appease those who demanded bullpen changes or actually thought Hernanez's massively declining statistics would enjoy a turnaround in Cleveland. Similarly, Fultz had been decent at best and probably worse throughout most of his career. So those two guys really were signed to be our bullpen saviors? I have to think there was more to it than that. I mean our bullpen depth then and still now was so damn good. They had to have been aware of the possibility that our bullpen would improve if we just gave the guys internally a chance. So why even sign those guys? Why sign this guy? To take another spot from Mujica or Stevens. We all recognize the volatility of bullpen's in general. So why not gamble on guys in our system, who are younger and cheaper. Is it simply because at least if you get these guys it looks like you did something? I really hope Shapiro isn't subscribing to this logic. I mean it's not like he's giving the Linebrinks of the world massive deals (which would be so much worse), but I still ultimately don't see the point in signings like this. Kobayashi's statistics are good, not great. I don't see the point in giving a guy with only good statistics a chance in a bullpen with so much depth, no matter how high or low risk the signing was.
by Joe on Nov 20, 2007 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
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by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 20, 2007 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
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Look at F-Cab or Jason Davis, we continued to think that they would perform well given the chance. I also don't think we should count on the bullpen being deep again next year. J.Lew and Perez could regress easily. An injury here or an injury there (remember early 2006 when Miller and Raffy B went down) If we simply go with minor leaguers in these roles, then we significantly weaken our overall depth.
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yawn.
the point of signings like this and of fultz is depth utilizing calculated risk.
i'm sure that guy we got for jason davis could get some guys out at the majors right now too, and super cheap.
but you have to balance proven/established talent, youth with upside, and some monkey poop flung against the wall to see if it sticks. how much of each, and how much to pay for it is ultimately one aspect of what a gm's job is.
Probably so that we increase our chances
Hello Joe,
Realize that in 2009, Borowski and Fultz likely won't be here - that's at least two spots that open up. Plus, I'm not sure the Indians know if Mastny is a guarantee to fit this bullpen long-term, so that could be 3 spots (presuming he's DFAed or traded.)
Essentially, for 2009, without counting Kobayashi, you have:
Betancourt
Perez
Lewis
If you add Kobayashi, that's four, leaving 2-3 more spots from among the following group (projected):
Sipp
Stevens
Mujica
Santos
There are other possibilities, like Slocum, S. Lewis, Lara, Buzachero, etc., that could be in that mix, but we know pretty much for sure that those four above will likely be options to choose from. And, of course, this is presuming we don't sign any more FAs.
Now, right now, outside of Mujica, the other three have only had AA experience, so they'd be better off spending most of 2008 at AAA Buffalo, so signing Kobayashi for 2008 certainly doesn't seem like a bad move. Add in the fact that Sipp is coming back from TJ surgery and hasn't had AAA experience, plus the fact that Mujica ended last season with an injury (something with his leg or ankle, I believe, while doing pre-game drills,) and hasn't fully adapted to the MLs yet, and I think the signing makes even more sense.
Plus, we know that not every prospect turns out (see Jason Davis and Fernando Cabrera for recent examples,) so adding an experienced, quality arm at reasonable dollars doesn't seem like a bad move to me. Who knows - the Indians could get lucky like the Red Sox did with Okajima; I'm not sure many were raving about that signing when it occurred either, yet it turned out pretty well for the most part, arguably better than the signing of Matsuzaka did for their 2007 season when you factor in the cost and the overall production.
In addition, this gives you another closing option to go to in case Borowski falters or becomes injured. Also, by adding him as a set-up man to go along with Betancourt, this effectively pushes Perez and J. Lewis back to earlier roles, making the bullpen that much stronger, provided of course they can duplicate or come close to their 2007 performances, a decent IF.
Plus, Kobayashi and his agent were probably looking for a multi-year deal; if the Indians don't give him at least 2 years, chances are, we don't get him, and supposedly, there were many teams interested in signing him, not just us. That we were able to add a 3rd year as a team option seems like a bonus to me, since we could keep him for 3 years, and if he doesn't work out in the first two years, you can buy out the option for a relatively small amount.
So, overall, I like the move - it remains to be seen whether it will turn out or not, but compared to what other FA relievers were out there, I think the Indians could have done much worse than Kobayashi.
Just my 2 cents - no offense. :-)
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by supermarioelia on Nov 21, 2007 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
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Those other second year guys are up all night memorizing the last three years of the NEJM so they can pull out that obscure amygdala/lymbic system link between schizophenia and uterine Ca during Neurology rounds.
Dig deep boy, or you're gonna be doin' a General Medicine internship at Saskatoon General for the next five years!
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by supermarioelia on Nov 21, 2007 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 21, 2007 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
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What Shapiro did last year is what he'll probably do for as long as he runs the Indians. That is pick-up 4 or 5 seasoned relief guys who've had mediocre to disappointing years and see if one or two of 'em can bounce back.
Borowski, along with Fultz, Hernandez and Foulke, fit the profile. Throw in Betancourt and you can see that none of these guys were seen as saviors, merely risk/reward signings.
Shapiro's playing the hand he's been dealt brilliantly - but not flawlessly. Nobody plays it flawlessly.
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The problem is that Dolan is a fan who paid too much. Shapiro has made the best of a bad situation (at least from 2004 on).
by spinske on Nov 20, 2007 10:27 PM EST reply actions
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anyway, i saw Kenny Lofton at the baggage claim at Midway today. i didn't quite know what to do, so i just kind of walked up to him (and his friend) and said, scatterbrained, "you're awesome, i'm from cleveland, and i can't believe Skinner didn't send you." he threw his head back and laughed and just said, "thank you, thank you" and i walked away. pretty sweet.
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i mean, what's keeping a guy with Death Ball stuff from pulling off a Holocene Slaughter? that's got to be a mental issue.
by jeremy @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 21, 2007 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
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by JPFrost on Nov 21, 2007 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 21, 2007 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
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BTW, dead ball just means batters he hit, which isn't many.
by Bogalusa Bomber on Nov 21, 2007 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
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I just spit out my juice. We have to latch onto this somehow. I love love love the possibility of overusing "death ball" in Kobayashi jokes all season.
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 21, 2007 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
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Kobayashi drinks THREE JIN POTION (-2 self-fault points)
Kobyashi fires DEATH BALL, misses. (T.F.R.=2.05)
Kobayashi: 'this is the best team, please'
Kobayashi casts HOLOCENE SLAUGHTER, hits! (85 ahn strokes)
Kobayashi: 'ha! first strikeout abduction!'
Iguchi: 'ns'
by fleerdon on Nov 22, 2007 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
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by Gradyforpresident on Nov 21, 2007 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
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Masa's is B+ in case any of you are interested.
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by jeremy @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 21, 2007 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
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But often things are lost in translation:
by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Nov 21, 2007 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
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by Fundamentals on Nov 23, 2007 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
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The Santa Claus in the lobby wants to kill me.
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Year 1: 47IP, 39K, 3.25ERA, 7th/8th inning-ish
Year 2: 40IP, 26K, 3.80ERA
Year 3: decline
~50IP at 3.25ERA out of the pen is worth the price of the entire contract in this FA market.
I like the signing.
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http://taiwanbaseball.blogspot.com/2007/09/indians-sign-chun-hsiu-chen.html
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I'm worried how he handles the Death Ball, though.
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It's nice to have actual Hot Stove activity to discuss, rather than idle speculation.
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April 1. April 1. April 1.
Actually, March 31!
I was just reminded of this yesterday morning, but keep in mind that March 31 is the Indians' Home Opener - I know, a bit unbelievable we're going to play our 1st home game on March 31 (we did play in Anaheim a few years back on March 31, but that was the Sunday Night Season Opener - this is going to be on a regular Monday!)
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by BB on Nov 23, 2007 10:57 AM EST reply actions
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by stoicpaisano on Nov 25, 2007 10:29 PM EST reply actions
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His home park was a pitcher's park.
Playing in Chiba Marine Stadium, thirty minutes south-east of Tokyo along the waterfront, Lotte games seldom draw a crowd. Because of the cold wind blowing in from the bay, it can be an uncomfortable place in April and May. Because of its deep outfield walls and a large foul territory, Marine Stadium is one of the toughest places in Japan to hit a home run.
http://www.japanball.com/marines.htm
OT Alex Ramirez (ex-Indian) hit .343 BA 29 HR 122 RBI in Japan in 2007.
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He spent some time on the injured list toward the end of the year with what was labeled "neck irritation," but both Kobayashi and Mirabelli said that was a phantom injury used to send the pitcher down on the farm for a short time after his club had clinched a playoff berth and other pitchers needed innings.
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 27, 2007 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
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The main thing we should appreciate is that the Indians got this done two days before the terms of the Linebrink deal leaked out. Who knows how that might have impacted the negotiations?
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But there's a big difference between $12 million and $19 million guaranteed.
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won't koby come with Options too, so while expensive he'd be to have in the minors, he does give you some flexibility even if he totally tanks.
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My guess is that the Indians agreed in the contract to non-tender him if they don't pick up the 2010 option, but that he doesn't become a free agent after 2010 if they do pick up the option. Keep in mind, though, that arbitrated salaries are in part based on the player's prior salaries, so having him as an arbitration guy wouldn't be a huge bargain.
Hideki Matsui's original three-year contract with the Yankees required them to release him if they hadn't re-signed him by Nov 15 of the third year, essentially making him a free agent after just three years. My understanding of the CBA is that this clause isn't allowable under it, but no other team was going to protest a clause that essentially hurt the Yankees. I think it sets a terrible precedent, however, because what's to stop an agent from asking for this privilege for a draft pick?

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