David Ortiz

"I did receive one tip on this topic - my guy says the Yankees are in for a bad day (but Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera are not in the report)."

So....

Giambi (obvious)
Clemens (obvious)
A-Rod?

Pedroia. Dustin P.E.D.roia.

I know we've discussed this before, but who from our Tribe would people not be surprised to see on the list?

I'm pretty much expecting Pronk to be. Wouldn't be surprised if Peralta is. Would be devastated if Grady is.

You know who will be sleeping a lot easier tonight, after seeing Roger Clemens on the list? ...  Barry Bonds.  What sweet "redemption" - if the "greatest home run hitter" can't make it into the Hall, then the "greatest pitcher" can't make it either.

Some ESPN writer - Olney, Stark, Gammons, I don't remember - a few years back wrote that Grady had been tested at least 3 times in the minors (where the testing program is apparently more stringent) and had passed the test every time.

God, that sounds so unsubstantiated.

Albert Belle
Matt Lawton
Paul Byrd
Guillermo Mota
Betancourt
Juan Gonzalez
Wil Cordero
Brady Anderson

Complete Mitchell List - Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, JeremyGiambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley,Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton,Jamie Lissette, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

I mean seriously, what legitimacy does Mitchell have? The testimony of a bunch of random guys who could just be trying to "out" people they don't like. There is no hard eveidence here, no failed test results.

And even if there were, so what? Anyone who thinks this doesn't go on in any professional sport is totally naive. But only baseball and these players are going to suffer by having their names dragged through the mud.

I'm not surprised by anyone on that list.  

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/13/steroid.report/index.html

A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC.com by two sources. Original sources are standing by the preliminary list provided to WNBC.com. Therefore, we working to clarify the list at this time.

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http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html

So, that would indicate that the list is pretty accurate ... except for a few omissions.

So there is a large part of me that feels morally obligated to defend people accused of crimes regardless of the evidence against them, especially when that accusation is dubious in some way.  The Mitchell Report seems to me to be dubious in a lot of ways.

For example, how many people on that list are people we already knew about?  I counted 13 on the list above that I think were people already outed, maybe I'm off.  So this guy found out about 50-70?  Why so few?  Is the evidence simply not out there?  Is the problem so less than we've been led to believe?  Is this the result of some personal vendettas or some kind of witch hunt?  A lot is going to have to be explained to me in how Senator Mitchell went about this investigation and how these names made it on the list and not others if we're not convinced this is an exhaustive list.

On the other hand, it's hard not to be excited and feel a bit of schaudenfreud.  Maybe it's the obsession our culture seems to have with seeing the rich and powerful fall in some way, having some moral superiority to them.  I don't do drugs, so I can feel better than them.  Plus, they're not really accused of any crimes, in as much as no criminal charges have been brought on anyone and I'd be really surprised if any were (though I certainly give some credence to the thought that Barry Bonds is facing perjury charges not because he lied but because they couldn't get anything else to stick).

Sorry for a rambling post.  Too much studying for finals has messed with my brain, maybe.  Trying to fill time before noon.

Sorry if that's not news.

Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts also is in the report, as are seven-time Cy Young winner Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Mike Stanton and Jason Grimsley.

One or two other Yankees are expected to be named on the list as well.

Tejada spent the past four seasons with the Orioles and was acquired in trade by the Astros this week for five players.

ESPN.com first reported Clemens and Pettitte as being in the Mitchell Report.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/13/mitchell.news/?cnn=yes

Bottom line, this may help us move past this ugly chapter in baseball history, and may allow Bud Selig to congratulate himself for having taken up against the evils of steroids, but what else does this do for us or for baseball?  There will be multiple "listees" who've already been caught, countless retired players (who gives a shit about them?), and probably 90% of the active players will have no proof-positive evidence against them.  Sweet.

Finally, sorry for the ramble, the PED community in baseball has moved so far beyond steroids that this is like publishing a list of people did coke in the '80s.  If you test positive for steroids now, you're just an idiot.  If baseball wants to knock my socks off, keep the lists to a minimum, but tell me about a newly negotiated comprehensive testing program to root out cheating througout the game.

Rich "El Guapo" Garces made the list, and although the 'roids didn't help him out all that much beyond making him really really fat, he still provided the game with a great nickname.

ESPN just showed Jose Canseco posing with fans while going into the Mitchell Report Press Conference.  What a circus.

I'm almost hoping Roger Clemens' name isn't on the list at this point, just so he sues ESPN into oblivion.

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

PDF of the report.

That negates one of Borowski's blown saves.

PUT UP THE ASTERISK!

This is boring.

and Fernando Vina?  Must have really felt the pain from that run-in with Joey.

In October 2001, officers with the Canadian Border Service discovered steroids, syringes, and other drugs in an unmarked bag that came from the entourage of a Cleveland Indians outfielder

Who could that be? Any guesses.

Paul Lo Duca writing:

I haven't been able to call you back because my phone is TOAST!

Yeah, I don't think I'm learning the less Senator Mitchell intended.

Bahahahaha.

Bahahahaha.

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagné
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews, Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

This whole exercise is bullshit.  Who cares about a list, especially in the absence of testing to back it up (checks?  give me a break)?

Selig's response should be, if nothing else, entertaining.

I think what it shows .. is that there is GREAT abuse among players that have been in the league for a few years and are looking to prolong their careers.

Maybe that's where the MLB needs to refocus their testing policy. Not only on the minor leaguers coming up ... but also the guys on the backside of their careers still holding on.

When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official
made specific inquiries about Gagné's possible use of steroids. In a November 1, 2006 email to
a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, "Have you done any digging on Gagne?
I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his
medical?" The scout, Mark Delpiano, responded,

Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a
checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues.
Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body
and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max
effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and
without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back
durability and ability to throw average while allowing the changeup
to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will
follow Gagne . . .

No, I don't wish it on those guys, but the fact that the United States Government can't nail down any of these current guys indicates just how bad the situation is. I'm not motivated to say that a particular player must be on it, but c'mon people. Some of them are. Probably many of them are. And a year long report conducted by the highest body in the US, with all the resources in the world, can't turn up one outside of those already outed by the Media (Bonds)?

This, to me, makes the report less effective than it could be. It shows me these players can still hide from literally anyone and that's troubling.

Also!  Pedroia is a douche and a cheater according the Brick Report.

Would people be happier if it was just a full-on witch hunt that dredged up every hated rival, a-hole, or suspected user?  As far as players listed, there are a few limited sources to go on and I would agree that this is only the tip of the iceberg.  

The purpose of listing players is to provide full disclosure of what was found during the investigation and show documented evidence that all kinds of players (be it Cy Young winners or bench warmers) were involved in this.  

Mitchell made it very clear during his press conference that he did not want fans and the press to focus on the players listed; the purpose of the report is to provide recommendations on how to implement an effective drug plan.  I've heard little to no commentary on the actual drug plan being proposed by either the media or the fans.

Mitchell also strongly stated that he is against the Commissioner pursuing past PED users if there were no enforceable rules/consequences at the time of the infraction (unless the infraction is judged so severe that something should be done).  Technically, no employer can punish their employees for breaking a rule if that rule had yet to exist; the same goes for baseball.

I think taking Mitchell's recommendation of a "fresh start" would be in baseball's best interests and would be the most productive way to react to the evidence (like names/users) presented today.  I have not had a chance to read the entire report yet, but I liked what I heard during the press conference about the new drug policy and how strict it will be.

Just my opinion on the situation as it stands.  I'll get off the soapbox now.

See this CNN link.

As more and more internet/illicet suppliers go down, even more names will come out. Too bad most of them will be after the fact.

If you choose to care about the effect of PEDs on baseball, then the last 20 years is (or already has been) retroactively ruined.  If you choose not to care for whatever reason, continue to enjoy.  I fall into the latter category.    

Freaking Gange, he pretty much has robbed a bank at this point.  He's stolen himslef quite a living - allegedly, of course.

They can never take that walk-off Grand Slam away from you, Bill.

Chris Magruder Sighting!

I dunno.  Politics?

http://letsgotribe.com/comments/2007/12/13/84916/533/65#65

Baerga, Thome, Vizquel, Belle, Ramirez, Lofton, Alomar, Sorrento, Franco, Fryman, Diaz.

Hershiser, Nagy, Ogea, Assenmacher, Plunk, Shuey, Mesa, Colon, Wright, Burba.

Blake, Hafner, Martinez, Peralta, Sizemore, Sabathia, Westbrook, Lee.

That's 29 guys, every one of those whom had (or is having) a more substantial career on the Indians than Justice, Byrd, or anyone else named.  Add to that a few other significant products of our farm system:

Casey, Giles, Sexson, Broussard, Branyan, MacDonald, Gerut, Crisp, Phillips, Bard.

Don't get me wrong, I was a big Justice fan, and I like Byrd.  But if you had to rank the top 20 or 25 most significant Indians of the steroids era, pretty clearly neither Justice nor Byrd would make the list.  And other than those two, nobody else named was even a starter for the Indians for more than one season.

If anything, the Indians come out looking like one of the cleaner organizations.  That may not actually be the case, but that's how this report makes it look.