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Player Profile: Josh Barfield

Vital Statistics

Full Name: Joshua LaRoy Barfield
Born: 12-17-1982 (Barquisimento, Venezuela)
Height: 6'0" Weight: 190 lbs
High School: Klein High School (Texas)
Bats: Right Throws: Right
Position: 2B

Baseball Statistics

MLB.com
Hardball Times
Baseball Prospectus
Baseball-Reference
Fangraphs
Baseball Cube (minors)

Service Time/Options

Service Time: 1.00 Years
Option Years Remaining: Two

Contract Status:

  1. ~$350K
  2. Renewable
  3. Arbitration
  4. Arbitration
  5. Arbitration
  6. Free Agent
Background

Josh is not the first of his family to play in the major leagues; his father Jesse enjoyed a lengthy career, playing for the Toronto Blue Jays and New York Yankees. Jesse was known for his strong arm and home run power.

Josh was drafted out of high school by the San Diego Padres in the 4th round of the 2001 draft, an odd selection given the organization's predilection for college talent. Barfield's debut later that summer was very successful; he hit .310/.350/.437 in the Pioneer League while moving between short and second. While there was some long-term question about whether he'd stay in the infield, his bat was not questioned. Baseball America ranked him the 3rd-best prospect in the Pioneer League.

His full-season debut was remarkably similar to what he did in Idaho Falls; he again hit above .300, and showed decent power for his age. His strikeout to walk ratio was roughly 5 to 1, a concern which followed him the rest of his minor-league career. In 2003 he went to the hitter-friendly California League, where he again logged 500 at-bats, hit a robust .337/.389/.530, and improved his walk ratio a bit. At this point, he was the organization's best prospect, though the praise was tempered a bit given the low status of the Padres' system. There will still concerns about him being able to handle the position, and obviously a move to the outfield would make him a less desirable payer. Baseball America thought him capable of being a major-league #3 hitter. His instincts, both hitting and baserunning, garnered praise as well, and Jim Callis thought he'd be ready by mid-2005.

That praise lessened after Barfield struggled at the plate in 2004. Part of that may have been explained by a injured hamstring early in the spring, but it also may have been due to facing AA pitchers. BA noticed that his long and pull-happy swing left him open to being neutralized with unexpected fastballs and tailing breaking pitches. But all was not lost; his defense improved to the point that a position change was no longer talked about. All he needed to do was to get his hitting back on track.

He did just that in 2005, hitting .310/.370/.450 in the PCL, a hitter's league, but still a good line for a 22-year-old. The gap between strikeouts and walks closed further, and the Padres, convinced that he was ready, dealt incumbent second baseman Mark Loretta to the Boston Red Sox that winter. Barfield made his major-league debut on Opening Day, and hit a very acceptable .280/.318/.423. Like most of his teammates, he was a much better hitter on the road, hitting .331/.378/.587 away from Petco Park.

It's not very often that a team will deal a player after a positive rookie season, but the Padres did just that, trading him to the Indians for 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff and RHP Andrew Brown. Kouzmanoff was coming off a season where he destroyed AA and AAA  pitching, and the Padres had a huge organizational hole at third base. The Padres later filled the hole left by Barfield by signing free agent Marcus Giles.  

Transactions

6-01: Drafted by the San Diego Padres (4th Round)
6-15-01: Signed with San Diego; Assigned to Idaho Falls (R-)
Started 2002 in Fort Wayne (A-)
8-02: Promoted to Lake Elsinore (A+)
Started 2004 in Mobile (AA)
Started 2005 in Portland (AAA)
Started 2006 in San Diego (MLB Debut)
11-8-06: Traded to the Cleveland Indians for 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff and RHP Andrew Brown

Strengths

His all-around athleticism. Essentially he's a second baseman with the skillset of a corner outfielder; he has a very good arm, and nice instincts. He has good power for his position, and is an excellent baserunner. He'll help provide some speed to an otherwise lethargic lineup.

Weaknesses

His long pull-happy swing can be exploited, and he hit just .266/.299/.376 against right-handed pitching. He had only 21 unintentional walks in 2006, evidence of an aggressive hitting style. Opposing teams wil notice this, so he'll need to show some patience in order to get pitches to hit.

2007 Outlook

Barfield is going to get as much playing time as he can handle. He'll be hitting towards the bottom of the order; Eric Wedge has talked about hitting him 9th in order to get the lineup's two stolen base threats hitting back-to-back. He could serve as the #2 hitter against left-handers.

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Re: Player Profile: Josh Barfield
Thanks for the overview Ryan. I first started following Barfield during his 128 rbi season at Lake Elsinore (high A) at age 20. He seemed to be an aggressive hitter with a knack for clutch hits (I know, I know, no stats for "clutch"). The only knock on him was his defensive ceiling in the infield.

However, he seems to have answered those who doubted his defense, and judging by the San Diego articles and fan feedback last year, he was stellar for overall hustle, defense, and instincts on the basepaths. Plus, he put up good numbers for a rookie, better than good when you look at his road stats outside of the unfriendly confines of the SD ballpark.

Yet he still gets fairly weak praise from prospect gurus in terms of ceiling. The only thing I can point to is that his aggressiveness at the plate tended to keep his walk total down last year. To me that doesn't seem to be that important, considering he had 52 walks in 510 ab's his previous year in AAA, and that he actually cut down his K's significantly in his first ML season.

What I see is a guy that has shown all the tools plus the ability to work on his weaknesses, whose ceiling has yet to be determined. I was surprised as hell when Shap pulled off the trade. If I had to make a "top 3" list of pre-arb ML second basemen that I'd love to acquire, JB would be on it (ahead of Brandon Phillips, btw).

To quote Donny Hathaway, "where is the love"?

by mcrose on Mar 6, 2007 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

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On the other side of this, anyone have any idea how Kouzmanoff's looking this spring? I realize it's early, but I'm curious if he's out there belting a 3-run homer every at bat or something.

by zempf on Mar 7, 2007 8:51 AM EST reply actions  

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Kouz hasn't been playing much, which makes you wonder if maybe his back has flared up again.  It looks as if he has played in only one game--single and an RBI in 3 ABs.  Andrew Brown, meanwhile, has given them one scoreless inning, typical in that he gave up a walk and a hit and notched 2 Ks.
ken from alexandria

by ken from alexandria on Mar 7, 2007 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

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He's only got 6 official ABs so far, with a single, 3 Ks and a BB.  In a recent mailbag on their MLB site the commentator says "Kouzmanoff has looked impressive in camp so far".

by APV on Mar 7, 2007 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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ESPN has Kouz in 3 games with 2 (singles) for 9 with 2 RBI.

Brown 2 inn 1 hit 0 R

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

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This was in a San Diego paper yesterday.

An improvement from 11th of the 16 NL teams in double plays also wouldn't be surprising, if only because throwing to and from second base wasn't a strength of rookie second baseman Josh Barfield. Barfield's replacement, Marcus Giles, is more advanced at turning the double play.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20070306-9999-lz1s6defensiv.html

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

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Ron, you're showing your true colors ...

"But some scouts believe the Padres could show less aptitude at three spots: second base, where Giles' range should be less than Barfield's ..."

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

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I put that quote up because in the writeup it said he had a very good arm and this person didn't think so.

I said nothing about his range.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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That's fine, if you think that arm strength is the sole contributor to turning a double play. It isn't. Barfield is rangy, but his hands and footwork aren't great, which is why there were questions as to whether he'd stay at second base. He worked on those things to the point where he's good enough defensively to stay at second base.

Defense isn't one-size-fits-all. Jhonny Peralta is the opposite of Barfield - poor range, but good hands, footwork, and an average arm. Belliard was probably better than anyone in the AL at turning a double play, but his range was horrible.

by Ryan on Mar 7, 2007 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Player Profile: Josh Barfield
I mentioned nothing about range in that post, yet you two fill your replies with talk about range?

I just supplied more info to the writeup from a good source, Paul DePodesta. I offered no opinion or comment.

Ryan, you say arm strength isn't the sole contributor to turning a DP, but in the next sentence you say his hands and footwork aren't great. Aren't those two more things necessary for turning a good DP? Especially foot work?

I wish BIS had put out their info for 2006. In 2005 they said Peralta was the #1 SS for turning the DP. Belliard was #5 for 2B.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

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Ryan, you say arm strength isn't the sole contributor to turning a DP, but in the next sentence you say his hands and footwork aren't great.

What you're noticing, Ron, is the difference between someone who will argue for one agenda relentlessly, presenting facts selectively along the way, and someone who is willing to put the facts out there plainly, no matter what conclusion they may or may not lead to.

Take note.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

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I offered no opinion or comment.

Uh, by posting in the comments section, that's what you were doing.

Ryan, you say arm strength isn't the sole contributor to turning a DP, but in the next sentence you say his hands and footwork aren't great. Aren't those two more things necessary for turning a good DP? Especially foot work?

They all contribute to turning the double play. The excerpt you posted implied that Barfield's arm was the major cause. I noted that Barfield's arm strength is actually pretty good, and that his "short game" was the major reason. If the inference was to the act of receiving the ball and tagging the bag, then yes, I agree with that. Or the act of shuffling the ball to the shortstop, then I agree with that. But I don't agree that Barfield's throws to first base contributed.

I mentioned range to break down the components of "defense", to show that just because a certain aspect of a players' game isn't good by professional standards, that every aspect of their game was. I wasn't changing the subject.

I would hope that I needn't make everything so exlicit, but there you go.

by Ryan on Mar 7, 2007 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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*that every aspect of their game was poor.

by Ryan on Mar 7, 2007 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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I noted that Barfield's arm strength is actually pretty good

What source did you use to come to that conclusion? Is that info current to 2006?

The SD FO has some very good personnel in it. Alderson, Towers and DePodesta. I would tend to believe what they say.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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From Chris Kline's recap of the trade:

There were questions about Barfield's defense at second base as well, particularly in 2004 at Double-A Mobile, and scouts thought he seemed destined for left field. But the son of former big league outfielder Jesse Barfield put considerable effort into getting better at the position, and now he grades out as at least an average defender with a plus arm.

by Ryan on Mar 7, 2007 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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I would think that the SD FO would have better info than Kline. They watched every game. I doubt Kline's source did.

They said Barfield had better range than Giles. The Baseball Musing's charts support that. I would guess that they are correct on the throwing arm ability.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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Uh, by posting in the comments section, that's what you were doing.

I would have thought that you would be glad to get additional info from a good source. Even if it is different than what you posted.

But no, you two jump all over me and bring other things into the discussion.

The response to the initial post should have been, thanks for that info. Not stuff like "you're showing your true colors" or defending Barfield's range.

I thought this was a good forum. But based on the replies here, facts or well sourced opinion that doesn't backup Ryan or Jay's opinion is not welcome.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

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I would have thought that you would be glad to get additional info from a good source. Even if it is different than what you posted.

You know what, I'm wrong a lot. And when I see that I make a mistake, I correct it. Grammatical errors, spelling errors, option years, salaries, etc. I don't think myself perfect, I'm far from it.

But when I feel I'm correct, especially if it's an opinion, I'm going to defend myself. If you don't feel that I was addressing the issue, I apologize.

I thought this was a good forum. But based on the replies here, facts or well sourced opinion that doesn't backup Ryan or Jay's opinion is not welcome.

If you feel that way, that's your prerogative.

by Ryan on Mar 7, 2007 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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What is welcome is presenting a balanced picture.  This may be a foreign concept to you; obviously you found it disorienting when Ryan offered information backing up your point.

Certain folks go out of their way to paint a positive picture, or a negative picture, about an individual player or some aspect of the team.  Sometimes I don't think they even know they're doing it.  I try to take a balanced view, though I think Ryan is better at staying balanced than I am.

I think in this case, it seemed like you were trying to slant the argument, but I understand that you were only responding to a very narrow point.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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Another way to put it ... this isn't the high school debate team.  You don't assign yourself a topic and then try to "win."  We're all having a discussion, and hopefully all enjoying that discussion, and I think most folks enjoy an honest discussion more than a few guys arguing and trying to "win" the discussion.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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If this were high school debate all of you suckers would be toast. You don't even know what I can do with a solid criterion.

by afh4 on Mar 7, 2007 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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"...You don't assign yourself a topic and then try to "win."

I think this concept needs a much more prominent place where people will see it.

by Brick. on Mar 7, 2007 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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One of the things I like about this forum (as opposed to the PD forum, or to the big online media outlets) is that by and large, people call bull on me without makin complete jackasses of themselves in the process. The nature of sports talk is adversarial. I've learned a lot about baseball this way, which has increased my enjoyment of the team.

When I don't want to start a fight, I admit that I'm talkin out of my ass. To date, nobody has excoriated me for saying something when I include a disclaimer that I'm clueless. But if I quote a source, I should be ready to defend the claim.

Which seems to be the point Ryan was making...that by quoting the SD paper, Ron was at least insinutating something about Barfield's defense, and he could have avoided the whole situation by tossing up a "FWIW."

And while we're at it, Sbrick, this just seemed like a good place to mention this stuff. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. FWIW.

by fleerdon on Mar 7, 2007 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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fleerdon (by the way, every time i read your name i have flashbacks of collecting fleer baseball cards - loved the 89's) it didn't even occur to me to take it that way.  i just loved the premise of that notion.  i hate when arguments seem to become more about besting the other person than about the subject matter at hand..

by Brick. on Mar 7, 2007 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

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I didn't post that quote to start a debate.

I read Ryan's good article and remembered a bit of info about his arm that I thought should be added to Barfield's profile.

You guys got defensive and started debating range and made assumptions about my intentions. The "true colors" commment was uncalled for.

If I wanted to debate, I would have posted comments with the quote.

I'm sorry for not being more clear on why I posted the quote.

Peace.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

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I apologize for overreacting; I read into what you posted something that obviously wasn't there.

by Ryan on Mar 7, 2007 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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As did I -- as I already acknowledged, twice.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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Oh, I'm late to the discussion. But I did bring some soothing chamomile tea.

by Bogalusa Bomber on Mar 9, 2007 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

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I do not have background on RonH as to whether he has shown some confirmational bias in the past or been some kind of pain in the ass.  If his track record is clean then I believe he has a legitimate point.  Outside of the incorrect attribution to DePo, he seems to have been merely providing information and received a Cheney-like scorched-earth response.  Sorry guys, I love you but it looked a tad defensive and you did respond to range when his relay was regarding dp's.  Please note that he did not make a point regarding dp's but merely provided information relaying another's published opinion.  For this other writer's opinion, you seemed to have ripped the messenger.  If I have misread this, I apologize...

by stuart dean on Mar 7, 2007 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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Enough of these sobbing apologizes already....let's get back to what this forum really is: A training ground for developing comedians!

by kov on Mar 8, 2007 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

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if you guys want to throw the double team ronh's way, filet mignon gets cooked too.

(i still have no idea what that means.  but it's funny to me.)

by emil minty on Mar 8, 2007 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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We already both admitted that we overreacted, thinking he was making a more general (and misleading) point rather than a very specific one.  I admitted it more or less immediately.  Do we really need further mediation on this?

by Jay on Mar 8, 2007 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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The article also cites BP for overall team "defensive efficiency" but the DP stats seem to be very crude -- i.e., they don't account for "expected double plays," only the raw number.  This is, without exaggeration, a very stupid measure of defense.

Win Shares, while an odd system in some ways, does a very thorough job of correcting for expectations in a team's G/F tendencies, L/R tendencies, park effects and DP opportunities.  Among all major-league second basemen in 2006, Barfield was fifth in Fielding Win Shares with 6.2.  Only Mark Ellis had better than 6.6, and the median looks to be around 4.5.  Other notables for 2006:  Loretta 6.6, Kennedy 5.7, Iguchi 5.3, Giles 4.2, Phillips 3.6, Belliard 2.4.

The Padres are purporting that Barfield was a little subpar and that Kouzmanoff will be about average.  I would submit to you that the truth is, the Padres are not putting a priority on infield defense.  They are putting a priority on acquiring hitters who can exploit their spacious outfield or at least not be hurt by it.  That explains the trade from their point of view; defense certainly does not.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

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This stat shows that Barfield was just at to slightly below ML average for fielding. It doesn't cover his DP ability.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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I think this one method shows he's average.  The variation from average is vastly smaller than the margin of error.  That's my comment.  You describe it right:  It shows him as "just at to slightly below ML average."  I haven't studied this method to understand what it's good at and bad at measuring.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

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The Padres are purporting that Barfield was a little subpar

The article only said Barfield was subpar on throwing. And it isn't clear who's opinion that is.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

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I'd say it's the opinion of the team official who gave it to the reporter for his article.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

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Does anyone know how to find out Barfield's batting line vs. RHP in away games? I'm curious about his R/L split without Petco.

by fleerdon on Mar 7, 2007 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

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Baseball Musings

On the road
vs LHP .291 .349 .564 913
vs RHP .326 .357 .463 820

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

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How many road AB's against LHP?  The Ba looks like an sm,all sample size outlier...

by stuart dean on Mar 7, 2007 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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I bet clicking the link will provide the answers you seek.  (It was 55)

by mkwng @ Let's Go Tribe! on Mar 7, 2007 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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You're never going to get all that many AB's, strictly road-vs-LHP, in any player's season, although Barfield's 125 vs-LHP overall does seem low -- compared to 190 for Peralta, for example, in similar playing time.  I don't know if that's a divisional difference or what, but if Barfield gets 190 rather than 125 this season, that alone will boost his production.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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Thanks for the writeup, Ryan.

Don't you think Barfield will be a super-two arb case next year? He played all of last season and barring injury he'll be on the 25-man this entire season as well -- I can't think of any reason he wouldn't be in that top 15% (or whatever the exact number is) of service-time-for-players-with-less-than-three-full-seasons-in-the -majors.

Not that it really matters all that much. If he performs anywhere near expectations the front office will certainly offer him a multi-year deal.

by mrich on Mar 7, 2007 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

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Ryan has it right.  Super Two status is for players who are close to three years of service time.  Barfield has exactly one year of service time and so will have a maximum of two years after 2007.

Unless he finds a way to spend two months in the minors over 2007 and 2008, Barfield will reach arbitration after the 2008 season.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

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Ah, right, thanks. So because he didn't spend any time in the majors prior to 2006, he's on track for arbitration in the 2008/2009 offseason.

by mrich on Mar 7, 2007 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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FYI, this write-up of Barfield has made its way into today's Links page of the Hardball Times.  Well done.

by nickjs21 on Mar 7, 2007 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

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I'm worried about a few things(all concerning Barfields bat)...

The first, is that Barfield had one incredible month, with the rest being mediocre to poor.  While it is difficult to judge a player based on their rookie season the "garunteed" improvement doesn't seem so garunteed to me, as he will be more or less repeating as a rookie.

This flows right into my second worry, in that Barfield was unspectacular in the NL.  While I never thought that this was ever THAT big of a deal, THT did a series (Part One, Part Two)showing the decrease in a player when switching leagues - although admittedly, this arguement is somewhat flawed given the small amount of players that switch leagues at such a young age.  However, he is "starting over" combined with playing in a more difficult league.

Keeping the NL in mind, Barfields weak K/BB rate looks even more weak given he spent MOST of his rookie season hitting in front of the pitcher.  Presumably Barfield was seeing fewer pitches to hit then he would with Grady's 30HR potential right behind him.  So he may get more hittable pitches, but he may swing and miss more frequently.

I have hopes, but I am keeping my expectations relatively low for him in his first year with the Tribe.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Mar 7, 2007 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

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It's tough to get a good read on Barfield because of his home park and the NL and batting 8th. His road stats (linked above) show 4 excellent months. One OK month. And one poor month (Sep). Small sample size issues apply here.

by ronh on Mar 7, 2007 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

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My goodness, Brandini, I could swear just a month ago you were insisting that you had never seen a single article anywhere suggesting that the NL was weaker than the AL overall ...

Barfield has already admitted that he got tired of not seeing any good pitches to swing at and expanded his strike zone, with predictably poor results.  It also may be that his particular set of hitting skills is especially poorly suited to Petco.  Of course last season included his first-ever exposure to big-league pitching, and his adjustments thereof -- clearly he did very well, compared historically to rookie middle infielders.  And there is the AL/NL factor.

All of these things are significant factors, so the overall forecast is fairly muddy.  I personally see the home/road splits as being the most statistically significant of any one factor -- the sample is 75 games or so on either side, and the difference we observe there is bigger than any other factor.  His age-projectability may be negated by the NL/AL switch, but there is plenty of reason to think he will become a more selective hitter with the Indians, at age 24, than he was with the Padres, at age 23.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Barfield, but mainly I feel that the indicators are strongly against his being a bust this season.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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Before I get into replying to your post, please spend more time reading others posts, before being condescending.  While I never thought that this was ever THAT big of a deal, THT did a series (Part One, Part Two)showing the decrease in a player when switching leagues.  I will state AGAIN, "While I never thought that this was ever THAT big of a deal..."  Which means, that "I never though that this(AL v. NL) was ever THAT big of a deal..." apparently it is.

What interests me - with you giving Barfield the benefit of the doubt that he was "tired of not seeing any good pitches" - is when did he grow tired of this?  In spring training?  After the first game of the season?  It is not as if he started off with a BANG and then tailed off.  Infact, his April, May, June numbers are actually lower then his final season line.  Which leads me to believe he did not get tired, rather, he is just making up an excuse for having a so-so start to his major league career.  
If it was infact true that he "got tired" of hitting infront of a pitcher, would his numbers have not then tailed off?  How is it that his K rate actually dropped and his K/BB rate actually improved(first half v. second half)?  To me, that says he "learned" how to hit in front of the pitcher.

Ofcourse, last year was his first time attacking major league pitching.  But in an inferior league.  I would like to see if there is a study that shows IL hitters adjust better to the majors then PCL hitters.
With his first shot at major league pitching you would think he would have properly adjusted and truly improved his numbers.  While it was nice to see that his BB and K rates improved, it is impossible to argue he showed MUCH to satisfy the hunger of a "succesful rookie campaign".

His home and away splits are nice, but considering the Jake is in the bottom third in the majors for runs, it isn't as if he is moving to Citizens Bank Ballpark!  Lets add to the fact that 119 of his games will be played in pitching friendly parks.

As for assuming he will become a more selective hitter with the Tribe, I'm not certain how you can conclude that.  Though he is a year older according to the THT articles he will atleast lose some of his numbers from the NL AL switch.

It isn't as if I am stating this is a bad move, I just foresee a great deal of growing pains for him this season.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Mar 7, 2007 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Player Profile: Josh Barfield
Dude, I don't know when he got tired of not seeing any good pitches -- it could well have been in his first week.  He was in the big leagues for the first time, wanted to impress, didn't want to get sent back down.  Heady stuff.  Maybe he got tired in April, bottomed out by June and corrected in the second half.  Maybe it's just some crap he said -- but I'm glad his numbers improved in the second half, as you'd hope for a young rookie.

You're right that Barfield is not coming to a run-scoring panacea, but nobody said he was.  Petco is not just a bad scoring environment, it's the extreme, the worst scoring environment in the majors.  And it's not just that Barfield played there, it's that Petco seemed to have an unusually strong effect on Barfield's numbers, i.e., moreso than for your average righthanded hitter.

Here's why I think Barfield will become more selective:

  • He'll be coached by one of the game's best hitting coaches.
  • He'll be surrounded by patient hitters.
  • Strong natural contact hitters tend to become more selective as they get older.

But what really matters isn't whether he gets more selective, but the fact that he won't have to, because he'll be going from batting in front of the pitcher to batting in front of one of the best hitters in the league.  He will see a lot more strikes, it's that simple.

by Jay on Mar 7, 2007 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Player Profile: Josh Barfield
Side note...anyone have a decent theory on why Jacobs Field skews toward pitchers? The walls are of pretty average height and distance. Heavy air by the lake? The wind pushing in from left? Bad karma from the Chief Wahoo protestors?

by fleerdon on Mar 7, 2007 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Player Profile: Josh Barfield
Comments in a BP Chat.

johnny (NYC): Josh Barfield - What matters more, getting out of Petco, or going from the NL to the AL?

Marc Normandin: He hit much better away from Petco, so the move out of the best pitcher's park in the league should be more of a boost. I like Barfield, but his defense isn't that great from what I see and hear, and I'd really like him to boost his OBP a bit more, since his SLG isn't all that high either.

Marc thinks that moving out of Petco will help his overall stats more than they are decreased by moving to the AL. Do you agree?

The SD team had a 82 point lower OPS at home than on the road. Barfield was 198 points lower at home.

What is the amount of average decrease in OPS for a player moving to the AL from the NL in 2006?

Are we overinflating the effect of Barfield not playing in Petco?

I do think that since most AL pitchers haven't faced him, they will not have as good a book on him as the NL pitchers.

by ronh on Mar 12, 2007 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Player Profile: Josh Barfield
I guess I should have reviewed the posts above before asking those questions.

Sure could have used an edit button!

Is the bigger difference in splits more due to random noise of small sample sizes (Barfield was in a hot streak when on the road?)than the fact that Petco hurt Barfield more than other Padres?

by ronh on Mar 12, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Player Profile: Josh Barfield
The disparity is big enough that you'd assume both factors had something to do with it.  My guess would be 60-70% randomness, 30-40% Petco hates Barfield in particular.

by Jay on Mar 12, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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