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Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed

This is getting ridiculous:

CLEVELAND, OH --- The Cleveland Indians announced today's (April 8, 2007) traditional doubleheader between the Indians and Seattle Mariners has been postponed due to inclement weather and has been rescheduled as a traditional doubleheader tomorrow, Monday, April 9, beginning at 4:05PM. Gates will open at 3:00PM. The second game will begin approximately 20 minutes after the conclusion of the first game.

So now there are at least two games that need to be made up later this season. Again, the Mariners don't come back to Cleveland, so it looks like the games, if they can be made up, will be played on a common off-day doubleheader.

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Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
An extreme situation could be to make a game up in Seattle, with the Indians being the home team.

Can that happen?

by Mark on Apr 8, 2007 11:41 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
This is really frustrating for me, being that I'm in my house alone for Easter, since all of my roommates have gone home.  I had nothing to do but watch baseball this weekend.  Now they'll play a DH when I'm at work.

Aren't they a little hasty with these postponements?  Cant they cancel the first one and wait to see if conditions improve for the second?  

by MikeCP on Apr 8, 2007 11:44 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Look how badly the Indians got burned on Friday..

Once burned, twice shy

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 11:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I'm not sure that they can play 2 on 1 day without the approval of the Seattle players,
since they are travelling rom the West Coast, which is required by player's agreement to be an off day when traveling from Pacific time zone to Eastern time zone.  

Indians may have to grovel to get agreement for that.  If the MLB could require Seattle to come to Cleveland in both May and June, that could be leverage to schedule a DH instead.

However, they may hold 1 game in abeyance until the end of the season to see if it matters.  However, if 3 or 4 games are postponed, I bet some of the games are played in Seattle.  It would be unrealistic to make up more than 2 games after the final Sunday of the season.  Even 1 is a problem if you hope to succeed in the postseason.

Otherwise, the most creative solution is to play the series during the All-Star break, damn all baseball tradition, players' agreements, and Fox.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Indians players were aksed to go to church twice on Easter in place of the DH in order to pray twice as hard for resurrection of the seaon.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 11:51 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I wonder if the cancellation of today's game is just a result of today being Easter and Cleveland and Umpires wanting to take the day off. Hey, why not? The Tribe lost their All Star bat from behind the plate, and now they're losing future off days.

Whats one more trip that Seattle should have to make and come back to Cleveland gonna hurt? Maybe Ichiro can get sunburned during a make up game in the summer while our catcher limps around even more-so.

I say that Seattle is forced to come back right in the middle of July and right sometime in the middle of the game, say that the sun is to bright for his outfielders to see the ball and demand that the game be stopped.

(By the way, I'm not serious, just getting irritated with no baseball due to snow of all things.)

by Clay028 on Apr 8, 2007 11:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Why start so late? Why not start earlier like 1:05?

Give yourself more of a window.

by mikebrowns26 on Apr 8, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
The scheduled start time was 7pm.  The weather may improve later in the day and the people who hold 7pm tickets would be upset if the game is over before they get there.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Look here.

I think they're trying to maximize the chance of getting in at least one game, by capitalizing on the peak hours expected in terms of temperature and precipitation.  By 1:00, the temperature is expected to be near its peak (35-36 degrees) while precipitation drops to a 10% chance.

It basically stays that way from 1:00 to 8:00, but you have to remember, they don't just have to play, they have to get the field ready -- and you'd like to give whatever ice crystals are on the grass a little chance to melt.  The field will be barely above freezing before noon, and just a few degrees warmer in the early afternoon.

By 4:00, hopefully everything will be good to go.  I don't know if they can play two, but I'm sure they're going to try.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2007 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Left out one detail ... they're expecting another inch or two to fall overnight.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2007 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I'm in Colorado, where there's about 2 inches of snow, but didn't I read somewhere that Cleveland has gotten nearly a foot this weekend?  Doesn't seem "more of a window" would really help solve that problem.

by CU Adam on Apr 8, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I'm visiting the family in Cleveland right now.  It has stopped snowing (squalling?) but there's at least a foot of it near the lake, and it looks and feels like the middle of February.  

I'd be surprised if those games are played tomorrow.

by homelytourist on Apr 8, 2007 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I'm sure the Indians have rented some snow blowers.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Even though the field has good drainage, it would be good to get the snow off the field before it starts melting.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Well, it looks like the Indians have provided a glimpse into their thinking on the issue of shuffling the starting rotation.  

Indians.com now has CC starting Game 1 tomorrow with presumably Westbrook starting on regular rest in the nightcap.  That would suggest Sowers and Byrd pitching on regular rest Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively, with Carmona making his first start Thursday.  I'm guessing CC would open the series with Chicago Friday on short rest to keep the rotation in order, with Westbrook and Sowers closing out the Series with their regular turns.  

Looking a bit further ahead, that alignment gives CC a start on getaway day in NY (I believe his day-game record is very good) and also a start in the short two-game series in Minnesota.  

This might be the best possible solution - assuming CC is comfortable going on short rest Friday.

by mplswahoo on Apr 8, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Given that he has now been handed a full weeks rest from start 01 to start 02, I would assume going on short rest won't be a major issue if the weather co-operates from here on out.
Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 8, 2007 1:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Fausto may be lucky to get one start now, isn't Lee going on a rehab assignment/simulated game very soon?

by ASP on Apr 8, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Of course the question is, what's tomorrow's weather look like? Are they really going to get two in, or will they be snowed out once again?

by zempf on Apr 8, 2007 2:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
the forecast:

Cloudy with scattered snow showers mainly during the morning. High 37F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 30%.

It looks to me like the whole series will be obliterated by the weather

by homelytourist on Apr 8, 2007 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Check out Geoff Baker's blog at the Seattle Times
for info on how the Mariners are passing time in the winter wonderland of Jacobs Field today:
He claims that the field is covered by more than a foot of snow.

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Pretty funny, your correction.  We will in fact be in Los Angeles on the date he suggests, so even a three-team double header isn't possible.

August 16 seems a likely date.  We'll be ending a homestand and about to leave for Tampa.  They'll be en route from Minnesota to Chicago, and their Minnesota game on the 15th is scheduled early (1:35).

From our point of view, that actually would not be a bad date for a double-header, other than the late flight to Tampa, since we have off days on the 13th and 20th as well.  (Seven scheduled off-days in the last seven weeks ... seems unusual.)

They could conceivably fly to Cleveland for Sept 24.  True, they'd be going LA (Sunday) to Cle (Monday) to Sea (Tuesday), but the Sunday game is early (12:35) and the Tuesday game is late (7:05).  That mitigates at least a little bit.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2007 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Sounds like we should plan on a DH on the 16th...

BTW, for any makeups played in Seattle, does anyone know if we would be the "home" team for those games, as far as batting in the bottom half and so forth.

I would assume so, but...

by dave on Apr 8, 2007 6:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Seattle is actually at home to Minnesota on 8/15 and Chicago on 8/17 so I think 5/21 and 6/11 are more likely dates.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Oops, mis-read it ... palcal, you are officially the master scheduler ... I will not doubt you again.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2007 6:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Those days aren't terrible for us either...

Sunday the 20th, we're hosting Cincinnati in the afternoon, then go to KC on the 22nd.  

Monday the 11th is a little more difficult, splitting a road trip, but the 10th is an afternoon game in Cincy, so only an hour or so to get back.

In both cases, Seattle leaves the West Coast (Seattle on the 20th, San Diego on the 10th) to head  east (Tampa on the 22nd, Cubs on the 12th).

Looking over the schedules, it doesn't even seem like its going to be easy to bring Seattle in on a travel day when we're home against someone else.  (I think we did something like that about 5 years ago with Chicago and Minnesota).  There seems to be a ridiculous amount of schedule matchup between  Seattle and the Tribe.  When we're home, they're home a lot, so we can't sneak them in on a road trip.  (This is based on a somewhat thorough looking over of the schedule, perhaps this is more  common than I would think).

In short, they better play those two games tommorow.

by dave on Apr 8, 2007 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Wedge says that Carmona will start 1st game, with Carmona to pitch 2nd game if it is played.

Either way, Westbrook set for Tuesday.

http://indians.scout.com/2/633746.html

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 7:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I can't imagine that Shapiro would let that happen unless the Indians were able to work out a deal and convert their Tues-Thurs road series with Anaheim in May to a home series.  The article says that is not likely to happen.  Given what we're facing with Seattle, however, it is even less likely that the Tribe will agree to a maximum of 78 home games this year.  

On the plus side, the weather forecast suggests that with an extraordinary effort by the grounds crew, we'll have a window to play both games tomorrow and the one on Tuesday.

by mplswahoo on Apr 8, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
The Indians would get the "home" split of the walk-up revenue in Anaheim and the Indians would play as the home team.

It's pretty clearly Anaheim is not going to transfer a series to Cleveland.

It may be "unlikely" that Shapiro will agree to these terms, but it is obviously something he is considering.  A lot will depend on the weather
situation and forecast at 8am Monday.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Note that the Angels don't want to swap dates with the Indians because they have 40,000+ advance sales for the 2 regularly scheduled Indians trips to Anaheim.

So Cleveland would be the "home team" in Anaheim
and get the home team split of the walk-up gate for the transferred series.

Unfortunately, this would also set a current precedent for moving the Seattle make-up games to Seattle.

We'll see Monday at 8am how "unlikely" this scenario is.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I understand the predicament.  My concern is (1) maintaining the integrity of the Tribe's schedule; and, more importantly (2) keeping the little bit of momentum we appeared to be building during the first week of the season.  I'd hate to have this weather interfere with what was (is) shaping up to be a good start to the season because of a whole bunch of external variables that might now come into play.

The bottom line though is we just need to start/continue winning ballgames....and then no one will remember the scheduling quirks.  Again though, this division is so tight, every little edge helps.

by mplswahoo on Apr 8, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Is it better to play a hot Anaheim team in Anaheim, but as the home team, or to play them
in cold Cleveland and risk more injuries?

Would a trip to sunny California act as a "mental health" trip for the Indians players?

Also, they would have the assurance of playing rather than working out inside the stadium if the weather remains cold.  The temperature is supposed to increase to the 40s Tues-Thur but there is rain in the forecast.

by palcal on Apr 8, 2007 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Meanwhile, we need to look into purchasing a gigantic garbage bag, large enough to cover the entire Jake, for use in future snow emergencies.

by Jackdaw on Apr 8, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much of an advantage will we get as the...
home team?

Hello everyone,

I understand that there isn't much we can do in regards to the weather, but referring to the series with Anaheim (or Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim if you prefer :-), how much of an advantage will we have as the home team?

Yes, we'll bat last and get the home team revenue (nice that we'll get that revenue to make up for our lost "home" dates,) but the Angels will be more used to the stadium, both in terms of knowing the stadium and knowing the backdrop, which will allow them to pick up the ball better than we will, at least initially, so I'm not sure how much of an advantage we'll have as the "home team."

Granted, it's the right thing to do, since these were supposed to be Indians' home games, and the Angels did lose to the A's today 2-1, so that might have slowed them down a bit, but still, I hope we can keep and build on the momentum we had had in the first week of the season.  We can't avoid a prolonged slump or swoon from the wacky weather and situation that occurred over this weekend, not with the way the AL Central is predicted to shape up.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 8, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
I'm tired of talking about the weather.  

If Papelbon really could have turned his stuff into a starting role, that Red Sox staff could have been terrifying, because he just made the Rangers look stupid.

The Sosa experiment just seems like a huge waste of time.

And I only saw the last couple of innings, because I was busy watching the welcome return of The Sopranos and Entourage.

Super squall!

by mkwng on Apr 8, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
Super Squall should be the name of the LGT band.
Wait 'til next year... or something like that

by fwembt on Apr 8, 2007 11:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

David Riske gave up the go-ahead 3-run HR!
Hello everyone,

Speaking of other games, after Riske saved his first game for the Royals the other day, he blew the save today - his reason - he thought Pudge would be bunting with two on, no outs, with the Tigers down 2-0 in the Top of the 9th in KC, so he threw a down-the-middle-of-the-plate meatball to Pudge, who deposited into the LF seats for a 3-run HR.  

Oops - I guess he forgot that the road team usually goes for the win rather than the tie, huh?

Anyway, you can read more about the game and what happened here.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 8, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: David Riske gave up the go-ahead 3-run HR!
Too bad for Riske.  Now if that'd been Wickman--two on, no outs, slim lead--he would have given up a single to Pudge and had the lead runner thrown out the plate.  He'd hit the next guy with a pitch, and then induce a double play.  Game over.

by homelytourist on Apr 9, 2007 12:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: David Riske gave up the go-ahead 3-run HR!
HA! Thats funny stuff right there!!

by Clay028 on Apr 9, 2007 7:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: David Riske gave up the go-ahead 3-run HR!
Some more former Indians in action:

Kouzmanoff is the man.

Their lineup is stacked with ex-Indians. I could see their 3-6 slottes staffed by Giles, Bard, Kouzmanoff, and Branyan at some point this season.  

by homelytourist on Apr 9, 2007 12:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: David Riske gave up the go-ahead 3-run HR!
I have my doubts about this, since Kouzmanoff and Branyan play the same position.  Yeah, Branyan can play the outfield, but do you really want to see that?
Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

by woodsmeister on Apr 9, 2007 8:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
WKYC just said that today's double-dip has been postponed as well...

by Fundamentals on Apr 9, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Sunday's Doubleheader Postponed
They just repeated it, and had the graphics up, so I'd say that it is safe to say that there will be no baseball in Cleveland tonight...

by Fundamentals on Apr 9, 2007 11:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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