ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
ESPN Radio just reported the Indians Angels series will be played in Milwaukee.
Don't have a link yet.
Wow - this has to be a huge financial hit to the Tribe - will there be 5,000 people total for three games in Milwaukee? Wonder what this does to the player budget later in the year.
Is there any contingency for MLB to help compensate the Indians for lost revenue?
[editor's note, by Ryan]: The PD confirms
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by Ryan on
Apr 9, 2007 12:26 PM EDT
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http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/04/todays_indians_doubleheader_po.html
"Indians are packing their bags for a trip to Milwaukee tonight to prepare for a three-game series against the Los Angeles Angels in Miller Park."
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Apr 9, 2007 12:37 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 12:49 PM EDT
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The only problem is that there was only like a five beer vendors in the whole place.
by Scott on
Apr 9, 2007 12:50 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 2:16 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 12:50 PM EDT
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Megabus
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Apr 9, 2007 12:52 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 12:55 PM EDT
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Says 7/7/1 Eastern. Thinking of going up Wed and staying for Thurs game.
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Apr 9, 2007 1:02 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 1:26 PM EDT
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i hope the team uses this whole ordeal to start playing with a chip on their shoulder and goes out to win like 16 of 20. but the clevelander in me can't help but think that this weirdness is a harbinger of total disaster...
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Apr 9, 2007 12:59 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 1:08 PM EDT
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Unusual circumstances require unusual solutions.
Three days ago, who would have thought that 7 games in Cleveland would have been postponed or moved?
by palcal on
Apr 9, 2007 1:17 PM EDT
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I know the union won't likely let it happen, but it's fun to dream.
by woodsmeister on
Apr 9, 2007 1:18 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 1:07 PM EDT
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by palcal on
Apr 9, 2007 1:18 PM EDT
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I hope something like that is done because it would probably hurt us more in August and September if we are in the thick of things.
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Apr 9, 2007 1:32 PM EDT
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Here's another potential option - Wednesday, July 11. It's the day after the All Star Game, but Seattle is in Detroit on the 12th and the Tribe is off until starting a series at home on the 13th.
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Apr 9, 2007 1:34 PM EDT
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1 game June 11,
2 games July 11
Best scenario for Cleveland, but I bet at least 1 game is scheduled for Seattle and 1 game is held over to see if it matters
by palcal on
Apr 9, 2007 1:37 PM EDT
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How about a sweep in Milwaukee to pick up everyone's spirits?
by mplswahoo on
Apr 9, 2007 1:24 PM EDT
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Indians played at Miller in 2006
Angels last there in 2002
by palcal on
Apr 9, 2007 1:33 PM EDT
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Nice...
by Mark on
Apr 9, 2007 1:25 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 3:17 PM EDT
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But, OTOH, I think it's better to start playing again.
If the option is between playing three games in Milwaukee or having to cancel another 3 games that we would have to make up who knows when...at least let's get the season going again.
BTW, the weekend's forecast looks unpleasant too...
by dave on
Apr 9, 2007 1:33 PM EDT
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by palcal on
Apr 9, 2007 1:34 PM EDT
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Why Milwaukee?
I know its a rush decision, but it seems like playing the game in a non-mlb city would actually bring bigger crowds.
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Apr 9, 2007 1:45 PM EDT
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Kidding.
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Apr 9, 2007 1:47 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 2:21 PM EDT
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I just don't get it.
by Brandini on
Apr 9, 2007 1:48 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 1:50 PM EDT
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Again, travel is hardly a worry in this day an age. The players are in a plane every 3 days as it is, so unless the worry of the time change is involved with Friday being an afternoon game, travel isn't much of an arguement.
by Brandini on
Apr 9, 2007 2:49 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 2:08 PM EDT
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sbricker, we're on the same page
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Apr 9, 2007 2:10 PM EDT
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Swapping a series is ridiculous. The Angels have made their promotional scheduel, and have sold around 30,000 tickets for each of their Indians series.
As for home field, I'm not certain that there is any REAL advantage. I have read that players "play better", however, there is no true advantage to home games in baseball. Given the stadium in Anaheim is relatively nuetral, I would suggest that any advantage would be minimal.
However, how come you have no problem with the Indians going to Milwakee? Wouldn't the Angels have an advantage there as they have gotten used to proper baseball conditions? Isn't this a hindrance to the Indians who have now been in col weather for the last week plus?
Again, home field advantage is not enough of a reason to fret the location of a series. Whereas dollars and cents, MAKE SENSE!
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Apr 9, 2007 2:45 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 2:50 PM EDT
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The difference between flying to Anaheim and Milwakee isn't THAT big of a deal. Consider that the D-Rays have to make drastic flights to NY, Boston and Toronto. The difference between an hour plus flight and a three hour plus flight would not really affect anything.
Example, the Indians have a game IN New York on the 19th, the following day they play IN Tampa. The travel from NY to TB is around the same as the travel from Cleveland to Anaheim.
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Apr 9, 2007 2:59 PM EDT
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Now the Indians will be out at least three home games, and probably more if they can't make up all the Seattle games.
by Ryan on
Apr 9, 2007 2:24 PM EDT
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by Brick. on
Apr 9, 2007 2:27 PM EDT
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Own beds = Hotel in Milwakee?
Really, the only difference is the time change. Which ballplayers just have to get used too. Case and point, the Angels have a game at 10am next Monday - after a 4 game series on the extreme East Coast. Their next game is in Oakland.
If a trade is possible, that is the best route, but since it more then likely is not, I say just play the games out there so atleast to generate SOME revenue for the Indians and have atleast SOME interest within the stadium.
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Apr 9, 2007 2:52 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
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Should MLB rid the Indians of their road trip that includes the following schedule:
- Cleveland to New York
- New York to Tampa Bay
- Tampa Bay to Minnesota
by Brandini on
Apr 9, 2007 3:02 PM EDT
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Given:
The Indians are supposed to be playing at home this series.
Given:
The Indians can't play at home this series.
Given:
The Flight to Milwaukee from Clevland is shorter than the flight to California.
Given:
The Flight From Milwaukee to Cleveland is shorter than the.
Based on only those criteria - and none that have anything to do with the fact that once last year they had worse flights or back in the day ballplayers used to have to ride trains so this should be no big deal or whatever you plan to drum up - I, if it were me, would pick the shorter trip regardless of what I'm used to or if it should or shouldn't be a big deal becasue I'm used to it. Why do it if I don't have to in this one instance?
by Brick. on
Apr 9, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 3:13 PM EDT
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The way it works out is that the Angels aren't really bothered at all (in fact they gain an advantage, as the tribe won't really be at home). With the correct solution, the Angels would make major noise about hardship (losing revenue, red-eye flights). Besides (and we all know it is true), it is MLB's best interest to keep the teams on the coasts happy and in the playoffs. Selig is not going to take on Moreno on this issue.
by oxforddave on
Apr 9, 2007 3:18 PM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 3:08 PM EDT
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Tues/Wed 6pm local 7pm Cleveland
Thurs 12pm local 1pm Cleveland
by palcal on
Apr 9, 2007 2:02 PM EDT
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up to $10,000
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Apr 9, 2007 2:24 PM EDT
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This is such bull.
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Apr 9, 2007 2:40 PM EDT
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Maybe Jason Michaels will pull a "Randall Simon"...
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Apr 9, 2007 2:37 PM EDT
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"According to the Times, the players' collective bargaining agreement forbids West Coast to East Coast travel without a day off. The Angels play in Boston on Friday, and the Indians would have had to fly back to Cleveland."
meaning, those two common off days for SEA and CLE are irrelevant. Seattle is at home on May 20th, and would have to travel to the East Coast without a day off. On June 10th, Seattle is at San Diego, and again could not travel to the east coast without the off day.
more and more, it appears some of those games will be made up as double-headers IN Seattle, during their only trip there on September 25-27. Hope the Indians don't plan on being in a pennant race then.
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Apr 9, 2007 4:16 PM EDT
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But, dude, the sausage races are on!!!!
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Apr 10, 2007 3:21 AM EDT
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Apr 9, 2007 2:38 PM EDT
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I just hope he and the other Indians' pitchers...
Hello kov, thanks for the update.
No offense, but I wouldn't read too much into Miller's start, being that he's had what, 7-8 days rest? His command likely won't be pinpoint like it usually is with that much rest - that line you stated isn't that bad when you consider the circumstances. Combine that with the fact that it's still cold in Buffalo, and I don't think that's a bad line at all.
I'd be more concerned with him, Lofgren, and the other AAA and AA pitchers staying healthy and uninjured, since they haven't pitched in 7-8 days, at least, and are still pitching in below-average temperatures. I suspect that their performances will improve as they get back into a normal rhythm and the weather starts becoming more typical for April.
Miller's final line:
6.0 IP, 10 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 60 strikes out of 89 pitches
Not great, but still a quality start, and for the reasons mentioned above, I'm not going to read too much into his giving up 10 H or only striking out 2. Heck, only giving up 3 R and 2 BB isn't too bad in temperatures that were probably no higher than the 30s at most, and probably wind chills in the 10s or 20s. Miller will likely be fine in time.
According to a Google search for "Weather conditions in Buffalo," it's 33F with light snow and a SW wind of 15 MPH, so you can bet the wind chill was at least in the 20s, if not the teens.
Other notes from that game -
Jason Cooper is still with us, and didn't do well in his first start as the DH - 0-4, 3 K
Luis Rivas is still with us, and he went 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 3B.
Brad Snyder had a nice AAA debut:
2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 2B, 2 K (the Ks being the only bad part about his line.)
Francisco and Luna each had 2 hits, including a HR by Luna. Choo, Mulhern, and David Wallace (another surprise AAAer) each had one hit, while Keith Ginter had 3 hits. Lara, Koplove, and Sikorski each had a hitless inning out of the pen, with Lara striking out 1 and Sikorski striking out 2.
That's your Buffalo update. :-)
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Apr 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT
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Two more notes about Buffalo's win!
Three other notes:
The Bisons seemed to steal at will against Ottawa's catcher, Jason Jaramillo - Ginter, Snyder, Luna, and Choo were all successful on their attempts to steal 2nd base; there were no CS.
Also, Ginter made a throwing error playing 3B and Rivas made two errors playing SS, one a fielding error and one a throwing error.
Mulhern made the only defensive double play playing 1B, all by himself (I presume it was a line out, tag out of 1B.)
One other note: Choo was thrown out trying to get to 3B from 1B on a single to RF by Ginter. Perhaps not the smartest baserunning and/or 3B coaching there.
You can see the box score here and the game log here.
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This leads me to believe that the problem today isn't so much the weather, but that clearing the field and making it playable is a practical impossibility. I wonder if any of the readers work in Key Tower or somewhere like that that looks down over the stadium and can give a report.
This then leads to the question: how long ago should they have known that the field was going to be unplayable and that rescheduling these games is an exercise in futility?
And if so, considering this news, why didn't we try and play a couple of these games against Seattle somewhere?
*This is all just stream of consciousness irrelevence if the field conditions are relatively OK.
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Apr 9, 2007 4:13 PM EDT
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live in milwaukee
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for rescheduling some of the Mariners games but it seems likely some of the games will move to Seattle
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it is already hard enough to win this division, and now we have to try to do it while having to play between 3 and 7 extra road games?
add to that the fact that right now our guys have to basically start the season over after sitting in the cold for 4 days.
i really think the season hangs in the balance starting right now. we all knew a week ago that the indians could not afford to have another wedge april. now that is infinitely more true. i really hope these guys step up. if this team goes on a tear starting tomorrow, we'll forget about this crap in no time
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We might have more of a home field adv. than
Hello everyone,
I heard about this while checking out The Weather Channel, believe it or not. I was expecting Jennifer Lopez (that is her name by the way, and no, not THAT one,) to say that the series was being moved to Anaheim. When I heard Milwaukee, I'm like "Duh, what was that?"
I'm over the initial shock, but actually, it seems like we might have a better crowd than some are expecting, and that might not be that big of a surprise - the Brewers fans get to see two teams they normally wouldn't see, and two of the better ones in the AL. And, recall that Milwaukee used to be an AL city - they might appreciate some games where pitchers don't have to hit. :-)
Plus, if the Brewers were feuding with the Angels in ST, they might just adopt the Indians as their team for 3 days, certainly not a bad thing. :-)
Just my 2 cents.
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Apr 9, 2007 4:47 PM EDT
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I just hope that when discussions take place for rescheduling, Dolan and Shapiro make a stink about how they got screwed royally in 2000, and missed the playoffs BECAUSE of the MLB. I never wanna see 32 games in 30 days again, let alone during a playoff race.
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However
As the owner of the Indians, how would you feel about giving up 4 games of revenue? 1 or 2 yes, but 4? I'm not certain on the dollar value for games off hand - BP wrote a chapter about it in "Baseball by the Numbers" - but losing 4 games is a substantial income. This is also why I feel 3 games in Milwakee with $10 seats is useless.
This option carries another flaw in my opinion. You are a playoff caliber team and are a couple games out(say 2). You've already played a 6 month season with little rest and have a grueling month ahead. Now, in order to make the playoffs you have to face a team for up to 4 games and POSSIBLY may need a "play-in" type game. What that does is gives the other first round teams nearly an added week of "off-days" to rest up. The important thing is, those teams would not have to rest their players come the final weeks of the season as they would know there is a chance for a couple off-days after the season.
In my opinion, they are better served NOT playing the games on off-days or during the all-star break, as those days of rest are greatly needed (not only for "rest", but also for other make-up games). Thus, playing them at the end of the season - despite all the presented issues - is probably the best route.
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There are 2 possible common off days plus the day after the All-Star game and DHs in Seattle which will take precedence over delaying the post-season.
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Apr 9, 2007 6:25 PM EDT
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Also, the All-Star break is a great idea, but without looking at the CBA, but a double-header on a day scheduled for a "break" is likely not going to go over very well.
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Apr 10, 2007 8:57 AM EDT
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skills.
If can mold this into a team-building experience,
he may come out the better for it.
If he can't, he is doomed.
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Doomed to be fired is my guess!
I think what palcal is referring to is, if Wedge can't navigate his team through this difficulty, he is as good as gone, which I think is a reasonable assumption.
Wedge doesn't have any more leeway - his team needs to get to the postseason or be so extremely close (like in 2005) for them to pick up his option for next year. Anything less than that and I think Wedge will be gone, regardless of the weather and scheduling conflicts.
That's what I think palcal was referring to.
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If the team does not have their heads screwed on straight, they will get blown away, and could potentially ruin a promising season.
Sabathia did not sound too confident in his interview today.
A big challenge for Wedge is to get the team and particularly CC, to focus on the game at hand, and minimize the effect of the distractions.
The Angels were expecting to be on the road and caught a break by going to Milwaukee instead of Cleveland. The Indians could be drowning in their sorrows if they don't have an effective leader.
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You all have many sympathies
Too bad they couldn't have switched the Seattle and Anaheim series - wouldn't have been so bad to play two series out west!
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- Selig talked to the Dolan's this morning and the Dolan's suggested Miller Park be used. They called someone from the Brewers and the Brewers were more than accomodating for this and so it was a go. So this isnt really a Selig move. It was something the Indians asked about.
- Cleveland basically is Milwaukee (with a lot more recent success). We love the Tribe here in Milwaukee and from what I can tell from listening to local radio, websites, newspaper etc. that baseball fans are pretty stoked and attendance should be decent. I mean, come on, other than the offical home opener which you'll still have, how many people can you expect to sit outside on a weekday night in freezing temps with it raining and/or snowing? 5-10,000? I think you might be surprised by the amount of people at the game.
- I bought tickets for Tuesday and Wednesday night and will be pulling (loudly) for the Indians both nights. It also sounds like a lot of Indian fans from Chicago will make the trip. As long as they are not stupid Cub fans, welcome! Who doesnt like to see two playoff caliber teams in town?
Besides, who doesnt love $10.00 seats 5-10 rows behind home plate!!!! That's what I've got both games!
by RyDogg66 on
Apr 9, 2007 5:27 PM EDT
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http://www.jsonline.com/blog/?id=92
The Indians, at least, should feel right at home. The forecast this week calls for highs in the low 40s, with some precipitation on Wednesday. And the Famous Racing Sausages will compete at all three games.
by RyDogg66 on
Apr 9, 2007 5:35 PM EDT
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RyDogg - thanks for coming out. Perhaps the lure of $10 seats in the sections that probably sell out every game may get some neutral fans in the park.
Maybe a few Harry Doyle clips on the scoreboard between innings?
by IndyDave on
Apr 9, 2007 5:48 PM EDT
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"Vlad Guerrero leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hairs"
Gotta break out my Wild Thing glasses.
by RyDogg66 on
Apr 9, 2007 5:53 PM EDT
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by AngG on
Apr 9, 2007 6:50 PM EDT
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by Scott on
Apr 10, 2007 3:27 AM EDT
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For those of you here who think you might be able to attend a game, along with calling the Brewers Ticket office, you can also order tickets for the game online from both the Brewers and Indians Web sites.
There does seem to be some interest in Milwaukee to these games, but I still think that at most they might draw about 5,000 per game. And the folks in Milwaukee are usually pretty nice and friendly. I'm sure most of the fans in Milwaukee going to the games will be rooting for the Indians.
by oden on
Apr 9, 2007 6:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info.!
RyDogg66 and oden - I echo IndyDave's sentiments when I say, "thanks for coming out" and for providing the info. - greatly appreciated!
I'm hopeful there will be nice turnouts for those games - I think we might be pleasantly surprised, and by the sounds of it, the Brewers fans will support us more than the Angels, so we might have a bit of a home feel.
And like I said before, the Brewers' fans will get to see two of the better AL teams, something that hasn't occurred there in over 10 years, since Milwaukee was in the AL, so I think there could be a nice turnout.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Apr 9, 2007 7:12 PM EDT
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Why we didn't build roofs on our stadiums!
The recent weather problems make me think back to the decisions to not put retractable roofs on our stadiums, which is looking more and more like dumb decisions in my opinion.
A retractable roof wouldn't have detracted from the ballpark or the outdoor experience, yet would allow the Indians to contend with this troublesome weather without having to move home games.
As for the Browns, Browns' Stadium would be up for Super Bowls, which would have paid for the roofs many times over.
As for cost, at the time Gateway and Browns' Stadium was built, Cleveland was thriving, so I think the cost analysis didn't take everything into account - yes, the initial cost would have been a lot, but between having Super Bowls and other indoor events all year round, as well as preventing scheduling nightmares for the Indians in April like this year, the revenue would have far outweighted the costs in the long run, which makes me think that those decisions to not have roofs on those two stadiums were two of the biggest mistakes Cleveland politicians (specifically, Mayor Mike White) have made in regards to our city's financial well-being over the last 15 years.
From what I understand, they could still add roofs to those two stadiums, but they won't do it, supposedly due to the cost, which would be harder to swallow now because it would cost more due to the higher cost of materials and manpower in the 2000s compared to the 1990s, plus the fact that Cleveland is no longer thriving, but in the long run, Cleveland would likely benefit from the added revenue from Super Bowls, other events, and the lack of Indians' postponements (in regards to the vendors and the downtown establishments.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Apr 9, 2007 7:50 PM EDT
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by Ryan on
Apr 9, 2007 8:48 PM EDT
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by Ryan on
Apr 10, 2007 9:31 AM EDT
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+1!
Thanks for the info. rolub - I didn't know that either.
Like Ryan though, I would think more hotels would have popped up if there had been a roof on Browns Stadium. If I'm correct, not too long ago, a Hilton hotel went up near Jacobs Field, and I'm pretty sure it was not there during the 90s, so even without a roof, hotels do pop up, so I'm thinking that a roof would have drawn hotels like a magnet due to the fact that Browns Stadium could have been an all-year round facility, as well as a possible Super Bowl site.
That arguably might have been Mayor Mike White's worst move (or one of his worst, at least) in his tenure (and for the most part, I liked most of Mike White's decisions and moves for the city of Cleveland, but I remember I vehemently disagreed with that decision, and now it's really costing the city a lot of money, money the city could certainly use, especially since Cleveland has been rated the poorest big city in America in 2 of the last 3 years.)
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Apr 10, 2007 6:39 PM EDT
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The economic impact of the snow-outs is goingn to be something less than a million dollars. A big bummer, but in no way counteracting a decision not to build a roofed stadium 15 years ago.
by Jay on
Apr 10, 2007 11:52 PM EDT
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I'm referring to Browns Stadium, not Jacobs
Hello Jay,
I did mention both originally, but when I was referring to Mayor Mike White, I was referring to Browns' Stadium, which would have been much more profitable if it had a roof on it, both for conventions and for Super Bowls.
Jacobs Field - I can understand not having the roof, though I think it could have made some sense to have one, since we do get some inclement weather from time to time, but I could see not going with that one, and from listening to Jim Donovan and Bruce Drennan on STO the other day, as well as what I recall from those days, the Gateway Project likely would have failed if the cost would have been higher due to a proposed roof. The vote barely passed as it was, and we all know the Indians would have been gone if Gateway had not passed.
In fact, Donovan or Drennen mentioned the fact that a Tampa Bay investment group was ready to head its way to Cleveland the day after the Gateway vote if it had not passed, so it's very likely the Indians would have been gone, but fortunately, Gateway did pass.
No, the Browns Stadium is the one that should have had the roof, and as I recall, the voters didn't vote on that one; Mike White and city officials had the power to decide that one, but chose to go for the no-roof, cheaper cost. I can understand the cheaper-cost argument, but it's cost the city A LOT over the last 7 years since the Browns returned - I'm sure we could have got some conventions here, even if Cincinnati and Pittsburgh already have had some, and it's likely we would have had a Super Bowl here as well - the extra cost from that roof would have likely been paid back by now, and then some, just from those events, let alone any musical concerts or religious gatherings, etc.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Apr 13, 2007 2:55 AM EDT
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Re: +1!
A roof would have cost taxpayers around ~ $200 million additional dollars. While there are creative ways of financing these projects, there's little proof that stadia ever ammount to a fiscal boon to the regional economy. Their value is largely symbolic.
Cleveland is poor not because we don't have a roofed stadium, but because of a decline in basic industry (which isn't necessarily industrial. it can be anything that is transmitted elsewhere: banks, law, material, widgets, and so on). and the trend is very, very long. The USA Today rankings are old news by over 40 years. It's just more of the same.
The 90s weren't as kind to Cleveland as they seemed; the bicentenial and the success of the Tribe lifted our spirits, but most of the new was for public projects like Gateway; and lots of public subsidies and tax breaks carried the private stuff.
There have been many encouraging signs over the last couple years, but they're lower profile than what we saw in the 90s.
by homelytourist on
Apr 11, 2007 12:57 AM EDT
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Has anyone heard anything new news (presumably, today) on that front?
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by Jay on
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But you're right, a silver lining in the midst of an otherwise big mess.
Of course, our collective memories of this whole sad saga will likely go away if we just start playing like we're capable of playing and winning some ballgames.
by mplswahoo on
Apr 10, 2007 1:43 AM EDT
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Also, I dont know anyone who is rooting for the Angels. It's Indians all the way baby. You guys have a fun team to follow.
by RyDogg66 on
Apr 10, 2007 1:25 PM EDT
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Now, it looks like there is a snowstorm heading towards Milwaukee with their be a chance of 8-10 inches of snow being forecasted.
The games will still probably go on, but it's going to hurt the number of people who actually do attend the games.
by oden on
Apr 10, 2007 4:19 PM EDT
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