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ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee

ESPN Radio just reported the Indians Angels series will be played in Milwaukee.

Don't have a link yet.

Wow - this has to be a huge financial hit to the Tribe - will there be 5,000 people total for three games in Milwaukee?  Wonder what this does to the player budget later in the year.

Is there any contingency for MLB to help compensate the Indians for lost revenue?

[editor's note, by Ryan]: The PD confirms

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Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I don't know whether to laugh or scream.

by Ryan on Apr 9, 2007 12:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I, for one, am pumped. Miller Park is one of my top 5 parks in baseball and I live in Chicago. Yes.

by afh4 on Apr 9, 2007 12:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I decided to fly back to Cleveland from Chicago on Wednesday evening so that I could catch the game that night and then on Thursday afternoon. Looks like I could have just stayed in Chicago and driven the two hours to Milwaukee to watch what will certainly be one of the stranger series this season. Excellent. Thanks, Bud!
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by osoc13 on Apr 9, 2007 12:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Here is a link:

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/04/todays_indians_doubleheader_po.html

"Indians are packing their bags for a trip to Milwaukee tonight to prepare for a three-game series against the Los Angeles Angels in Miller Park."

by tborish on Apr 9, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I'm really looking forward to the LA Angels of Anaheim playing the Cleveland Indians of Milwaukee.

by Nat on Apr 9, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Somehow I can't help but think of all the scenes from "Major League" which were filmed in the old Milwaukee Stadium.

by APV on Apr 9, 2007 12:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Is there any precedent for what they might charge for tickets to a game like this?  I mean regular ticket prices can't apply, right?

by Thommy on Apr 9, 2007 12:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
In 2004 the Marlins played the Expos at US Cellular.  Tickets were $10, general admission.

The only problem is that there was only like a five beer vendors in the whole place.

by Scott on Apr 9, 2007 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Looks like they're doing the same thing for this game: $10 general admission.  (Found link via Brew Crew Ball)

by Rachie on Apr 9, 2007 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Megabus
for this in chicago wanting to take a trip to milwaukee i highly suggest taking megabus. for less than 20 bucks you could go up there on a coach bus not bad at all.

by threedeescene on Apr 9, 2007 12:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Megabus
Amtrak is still faster, though.  It was $40 bucks a few years ago.

by Scott on Apr 9, 2007 12:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Megabus
1 hr, 34 min each way.  $21 each way.

by Scott on Apr 9, 2007 12:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Megabus
Megabus is 1hr, 55 min each way.  Wow.

by Scott on Apr 9, 2007 12:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Still at 7, 7, and 12 I mean? And is that going to be CST or EST?

by afh4 on Apr 9, 2007 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
So there at 6 CST? That seems like yet another stupid decision. I think they'd do better to make it a little bit later and get some people from Chicago. Who else is going to go?

by afh4 on Apr 9, 2007 1:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
so we lose a week's worth of home game revenue?  i guess that's where the extra $5m from foulke retiring goes.  

i hope the team uses this whole ordeal to start playing with a chip on their shoulder and goes out to win like 16 of 20.  but the clevelander in me can't help but think that this weirdness is a harbinger of total disaster...

by mpstable on Apr 9, 2007 12:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Sadly, I understand where you're coming from
Come on Dorn, get in front of the damn ball! Don't give me this "ole" bulls**t!

by Turkmenbashi on Apr 9, 2007 1:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I still don't understand how they plan to make up 4 games versus seattle. I'm apoplectic about this disaster. I keep hitting refresh and hoping its not true.

by oxforddave on Apr 9, 2007 1:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Is making up the Seattle series during the All-Star break out of the question?

Unusual circumstances require unusual solutions.

Three days ago, who would have thought that 7 games in Cleveland would have been postponed or moved?

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 1:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
However it happens, I hope it comes with maximum disruption and discomfort to Seattle.  They won't be laughing and yucking it up so much if they have to fly cross-country a couple times to make up these games.

I know the union won't likely let it happen, but it's fun to dream.

Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

by woodsmeister on Apr 9, 2007 1:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I'm just disappointed that we won't get a chance to throw at Jose Lopez - hell, to throw at any Mariner - for quite some time.
Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

by woodsmeister on Apr 9, 2007 1:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
they may come to Cleveland on May 21 or June 11

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 1:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Or both (maybe they will both be doubleheaders).

I hope something like that is done because it would probably hurt us more in August and September if we are in the thick of things.

by Tribe Alive on Apr 9, 2007 1:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I think that may be the best possible scenario.  That will at least lessen the perceived impact of the games a little more than playing a number of doubleheaders in Seattle in the middle of a pennant race.  

Here's another potential option - Wednesday, July 11.  It's the day after the All Star Game, but Seattle is in Detroit on the 12th and the Tribe is off until starting a series at home on the 13th.

by mplswahoo on Apr 9, 2007 1:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
so 1 game May 21,
1 game June 11,
2 games July 11

Best scenario for Cleveland, but I bet at least 1 game is scheduled for Seattle and 1 game is held over to see if it matters

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 1:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I understand all of the "coulda, woulda, shoulda's" and "what ifs"....  Unfortunately, the only solution is to focus on winning each series.  Thus far, we are 1 for 1.  

How about a sweep in Milwaukee to pick up everyone's spirits?  

by mplswahoo on Apr 9, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Advantage Indians:

Indians played at Miller in 2006
Angels last there in 2002

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 1:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
So to celebrate Jackie Robinson Day, baseball decides to designate the Indians as the barnstorming club.

Nice...

by Mark on Apr 9, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
This sucks a lot...

But, OTOH, I think it's better to start playing again.  
If the option is between playing three games in Milwaukee or having to cancel another 3 games that we would have to make up who knows when...at least let's get the season going again.

BTW, the weekend's forecast looks unpleasant too...

by dave on Apr 9, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I'm sure that Wedge and the players are happy about the decision.  They would be getting awful rusty and subject to injury if they did not make the switch.

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 1:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why Milwaukee?
I smell Selig.

I know its a rush decision, but it seems like playing the game in a non-mlb city would actually bring bigger crowds.

by royalsreview on Apr 9, 2007 1:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why Milwaukee?
Like Kansas City?  

Kidding.

by Scott on Apr 9, 2007 1:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why Milwaukee?
Maybe Bud can get a couple of players or a member of the press to buy a car at the family dealership while we're in town.
Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

by woodsmeister on Apr 9, 2007 1:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why Milwaukee?
which non-MLB city has a roof?

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why Milwaukee?
actually, most of the population of the US now lives outside the Rust Belt, so a dome isn't necessary

by royalsreview on Apr 9, 2007 2:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I don't understand, why not just put the game in Anaheim where there is atleast going to be SOME crowd?  I mean the home crowd can't be THAT big of an advantage.

I just don't get it.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
why would the players want to fly all the way to the west coast, then fly all the way back.  it's worth doing it in milwaukee for that reason alone...

by Brick. on Apr 9, 2007 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
So I imagine you are upset about the Indians series with Anaheim in September?  Where they will be in the middle of 16 straight games, having to go from Minnesota to Anaheim back "central" to Chicago?

Again, travel is hardly a worry in this day an age.  The players are in a plane every 3 days as it is, so unless the worry of the time change is involved with Friday being an afternoon game, travel isn't much of an arguement.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this.  Unless the Angels were swapping Tues-Thurs home series with us (which is what I believe should have happened irrespective of the advance ticket sales - MLB really dropped the ball here), then there is no reason to fly to the other coast to give the Angels any kind of extra advantage.

by mplswahoo on Apr 9, 2007 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
*"you" = Brandini

sbricker, we're on the same page

by mplswahoo on Apr 9, 2007 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Neither team has a home field advantage in Milwakee.  So putting the game in Milwakee is a boxoffice bust!

Swapping a series is ridiculous.  The Angels have made their promotional scheduel, and have sold around 30,000 tickets for each of their Indians series.

As for home field, I'm not certain that there is any REAL advantage.  I have read that players "play better", however, there is no true advantage to home games in baseball.  Given the stadium in Anaheim is relatively nuetral, I would suggest that any advantage would be minimal.
However, how come you have no problem with the Indians going to Milwakee?  Wouldn't the Angels have an advantage there as they have gotten used to proper baseball conditions?  Isn't this a hindrance to the Indians who have now been in col weather for the last week plus?

Again, home field advantage is not enough of a reason to fret the location of a series.  Whereas dollars and cents, MAKE SENSE!

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I'm not saying a single thing about home field advantage as it pertains to the game.  And I, presonally, don't give a rat's ass about the revenue question.  What I am saying is that if I was an Indian Player, I'd rather fly to Milwaukee today where the time change is shorter than the flight itself than all the way out to the west coast... especially since I'd have to turn around and come right back in three days to play games back in Cleveland.

by Brick. on Apr 9, 2007 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Time change is a reasonable arguement, however is somewhat nullified by the fact that the Angels are playing at 10am local time in Boston this coming Monday...Essentially, the players are playing at 7am Anaheim time.  The next day they are in Oakland for a 10pm EST game...If that isn't going to drive their internal clocks inside out, I don't know what would.

The difference between flying to Anaheim and Milwakee isn't THAT big of a deal.  Consider that the D-Rays have to make drastic flights to NY, Boston and Toronto.  The difference between an hour plus flight and a three hour plus flight would not really affect anything.
Example, the Indians have a game IN New York on the 19th, the following day they play IN Tampa.  The travel from NY to TB is around the same as the travel from Cleveland to Anaheim.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I'm with Brandini. This is basically MLB screwing the Indians over to cover their own tracks. Again, if Selig had a spine, he'd send both teams to Anaheim post haste, play the three games, and then switch one of the two series scheduled for Anaheim to Cleveland. MLB pays the Angels for any losses incurred by the schedule change.

Now the Indians will be out at least three home games, and probably more if they can't make up all the Seattle games.

by Ryan on Apr 9, 2007 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
obviously 'trading' with Anaheim is the way to go, if it's a choice.  Clearly Anaheim is not willing to do that.  So why fly all the way out there for three games where they get to sleep in their own beds...

by Brick. on Apr 9, 2007 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
"So why fly all the way out there for three games where they get to sleep in their own beds..."

Own beds = Hotel in Milwakee?

Really, the only difference is the time change.  Which ballplayers just have to get used too.  Case and point, the Angels have a game at 10am next Monday - after a 4 game series on the extreme East Coast.  Their next game is in Oakland.

If a trade is possible, that is the best route, but since it more then likely is not, I say just play the games out there so atleast to generate SOME revenue for the Indians and have atleast SOME interest within the stadium.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 2:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
pardon my sloppy antecedents.  The Angels would be in their own beds, not the Indians.  And you must like sitting on planes, I know I don't and would prefer the shorter flight every time regardless of the time change.  I care more about winning these three games than the revenue from the ticket sales - which are pretty screwed whether they're played in Cleveland, Anaheim, or Milwaukee anyway...

by Brick. on Apr 9, 2007 2:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
re: Flight Times

Should MLB rid the Indians of their road trip that includes the following schedule:

  • Cleveland to New York
  • New York to Tampa Bay
  • Tampa Bay to Minnesota

Again, the flight is the least of the worries as teams regularly fly cross country.
Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 3:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Not what I'm saying.  I'm talking about this situation, and this situation only, which needless to say is not typical.

Given:
The Indians are supposed to be playing at home this series.

Given:
The Indians can't play at home this series.

Given:
The Flight to Milwaukee from Clevland is shorter than the flight to California.

Given:
The Flight From Milwaukee to Cleveland is shorter than the.

Based on only those criteria - and none that have anything to do with the fact that once last year they had worse flights or back in the day ballplayers used to have to ride trains so this should be no big deal or whatever you plan to drum up - I, if it were me, would pick the shorter trip regardless of what I'm used to or if it should or shouldn't be a big deal becasue I'm used to it.  Why do it if I don't have to in this one instance?

by Brick. on Apr 9, 2007 3:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
obvious typo, didn't finish off given #4 or deleted it somehow or somthing... anyway you get the idea...

by Brick. on Apr 9, 2007 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I definitely believe they should have swapped series with the Angels. But apparently the Angels were complaining that they did not want to play in LA and then fly to a game in Boston the next day, as even if it was a day game, the flight will be a red-eye. The tribe would face the red-eye also to get back to Cleveland. I don't think there is a way around the red-eye short of playing wed at 1 PM PDT and Thurs at 10AM PDT.

The way it works out is that the Angels aren't really bothered at all (in fact they gain an advantage, as the tribe won't really be at home). With the correct solution, the Angels would make major noise about hardship (losing revenue, red-eye flights). Besides (and we all know it is true), it is MLB's best interest to keep the teams on the coasts happy and in the playoffs. Selig is not going to take on Moreno on this issue.

by oxforddave on Apr 9, 2007 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Teams almost ALWAYS have better records at home than on the road.  Why are you advocating putting the Tribe at a competitive disadvantage for an extra three games against one of the better teams in the AL?  Dollars and cents make be a legit reason for MLB to do something, but for a fan to use it as "logic" seems pretty non-fan.

by CU Adam on Apr 9, 2007 3:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Game times
Tues/Wed  6pm local  7pm Cleveland
Thurs     12pm local 1pm Cleveland

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
So none of the games in Milwaukee will be televised? Am I reading the release wrong?

by Tribe Fan Matt on Apr 9, 2007 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
If none of these games are televised, I really will be apoplectic.

This is such bull.

by thejamootz on Apr 9, 2007 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Indians.com suggests that STO will be televising the series on their main "schedule" page, which also notes that the game will be played in Milwaukee....and thus, suggests it might be current AND accurate....  Let's hope....

by mplswahoo on Apr 9, 2007 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Pat Murray is on STO (Drennan's show) and just said they will be televised, they are flying out this evening at 7 PM on the Tribe charter.

by Fundamentals on Apr 9, 2007 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Can we borrow Bob Uecker for these games?  If we got the "just a bit outside" call for real, my brain might explode.

by Scott on Apr 9, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
We deserve a classic Milwaukee sausage race considering all this BS we've put up with lately.

Maybe Jason Michaels will pull a "Randall Simon"...

by mikebrowns26 on Apr 9, 2007 2:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
while obviously cased meat races are of the utmost importance, a big piece of info is found here in regards to the Seattle series:

"According to the Times, the players' collective bargaining agreement forbids West Coast to East Coast travel without a day off. The Angels play in Boston on Friday, and the Indians would have had to fly back to Cleveland."

meaning, those two common off days for SEA and CLE are irrelevant.  Seattle is at home on May 20th, and would have to travel to the East Coast without a day off.  On June 10th, Seattle is at San Diego, and again could not travel to the east coast without the off day.

more and more, it appears some of those games will be made up as double-headers IN Seattle, during their only trip there on September 25-27.  Hope the Indians don't plan on being in a pennant race then.

by rolub on Apr 9, 2007 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
yeah, yeah, yeah...what he said.  

But, dude, the sausage races are on!!!!

by Scott on Apr 10, 2007 3:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Well, at least Buffalo is playing this afternoon...and winning 7-2 after 5 innings. However, Adam Miller isn't pitching especially well with 7 hits and 2 BB.

by kov on Apr 9, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just hope he and the other Indians' pitchers...
aren't injured.

Hello kov, thanks for the update.

No offense, but I wouldn't read too much into Miller's start, being that he's had what, 7-8 days rest?  His command likely won't be pinpoint like it usually is with that much rest - that line you stated isn't that bad when you consider the circumstances.  Combine that with the fact that it's still cold in Buffalo, and I don't think that's a bad line at all.

I'd be more concerned with him, Lofgren, and the other AAA and AA pitchers staying healthy and uninjured, since they haven't pitched in 7-8 days, at least, and are still pitching in below-average temperatures.  I suspect that their performances will improve as they get back into a normal rhythm and the weather starts becoming more typical for April.

Miller's final line:

6.0 IP, 10 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 60 strikes out of 89 pitches

Not great, but still a quality start, and for the reasons mentioned above, I'm not going to read too much into his giving up 10 H or only striking out 2.  Heck, only giving up 3 R and 2 BB isn't too bad in temperatures that were probably no higher than the 30s at most, and probably wind chills in the 10s or 20s.  Miller will likely be fine in time.

According to a Google search for "Weather conditions in Buffalo," it's 33F with light snow and a SW wind of 15 MPH, so you can bet the wind chill was at least in the 20s, if not the teens.

Other notes from that game -

Jason Cooper is still with us, and didn't do well in his first start as the DH - 0-4, 3 K

Luis Rivas is still with us, and he went 2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 3B.

Brad Snyder had a nice AAA debut:
2-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 2B, 2 K (the Ks being the only bad part about his line.)

Francisco and Luna each had 2 hits, including a HR by Luna.  Choo, Mulhern, and David Wallace (another surprise AAAer) each had one hit, while Keith Ginter had 3 hits.  Lara, Koplove, and Sikorski each had a hitless inning out of the pen, with Lara striking out 1 and Sikorski striking out 2.

That's your Buffalo update.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two more notes about Buffalo's win!
Hello again everyone,

Three other notes:

The Bisons seemed to steal at will against Ottawa's catcher, Jason Jaramillo - Ginter, Snyder, Luna, and Choo were all successful on their attempts to steal 2nd base; there were no CS.

Also, Ginter made a throwing error playing 3B and Rivas made two errors playing SS, one a fielding error and one a throwing error.

Mulhern made the only defensive double play playing 1B, all by himself (I presume it was a line out, tag out of 1B.)

One other note:  Choo was thrown out trying to get to 3B from 1B on a single to RF by Ginter.  Perhaps not the smartest baserunning and/or 3B coaching there.

You can see the box score here and the game log here.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 9, 2007 4:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
My cowoker tells me that Bud is about to come on ESPN Radio (1000 here) and explain the Milwaukee decision...

by Brick. on Apr 9, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I'm just glad I'm not an Angels fan living in Cleveland missing my one chance to see the team.
Unofficial Andy Marte and Joe Borowski Apologist. My fantasy team - Swindon SpecOps 27.

by woodsmeister on Apr 9, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Stupid question -- why not just move it to Cincinnati? I realize they don't have a dome, but they're also not facing any snow days any time soon.  Cincy's away all this week, so there's no conflict there.. and I'd imagine the Indians will be a better draw in their own state than in Wisconsin.

by zempf on Apr 9, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I'm gonna assume/hope that MLB considered this considering its a pretty good idea.  Something must be conflicting.

by MikeCP on Apr 9, 2007 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Why limit it to major-league stadiums? What about Columbus or Toledo? Either place would attract a ton of Tribe fans.

by Ryan on Apr 9, 2007 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Indians/MLB probably not willing to take any risk of postponement

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
That's probably what it'd come down to, yeah. How stupid would they look if they rescheduled the series for Cincinnati & had a game rained out?

by zempf on Apr 9, 2007 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
per the Seattle reporter, Houston was the other option to Milwaukee

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 4:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
It's actually pretty nice (if cold) here in Cleveland right now.  There's really nothing extrinsically preventing them from playing the game.  The weather forecast shows some light flurries or rain this evening, but %ages are low (20-30%).

This leads me to believe that the problem today isn't so much the weather, but that clearing the field and making it playable is a practical impossibility.  I wonder if any of the readers work in Key Tower or somewhere like that that looks down over the stadium and can give a report.

This then leads to the question: how long ago should they have known that the field was going to be unplayable and that rescheduling these games is an exercise in futility?

And if so, considering this news, why didn't we try and play a couple of these games against Seattle somewhere?

*This is all just stream of consciousness irrelevence if the field conditions are relatively OK.

by dave on Apr 9, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

live in milwaukee
I live in Milwaukee and have season tickets to the brewers. Everybody here wants to go the games.

by baseballdan on Apr 9, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Man I had to wait 45 minutes to get tickets to the games and it seems like Milwaukee is coming to support the Indians.  It should also help that the Brewers were feuding with the Angels in the preseason.

by handrow on Apr 9, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
per ESPN, May 21 and June 11 are the top prospects
for rescheduling some of the Mariners games but it seems likely some of the games will move to Seattle

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
the more i think about this whole thing the angrier it gets me.  

it is already hard enough to win this division, and now we have to try to do it while having to play between 3 and 7 extra road games?  

add to that the fact that right now our guys have to basically start the season over after sitting in the cold for 4 days.  

i really think the season hangs in the balance starting right now.  we all knew a week ago that the indians could not afford to have another wedge april.  now that is infinitely more true.  i really hope these guys step up.  if this team goes on a tear starting tomorrow, we'll forget about this crap in no time

by mpstable on Apr 9, 2007 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Nearly 100 comments already in a thread about a relocation of a series.  I sense the natives are growing restless...

by APV on Apr 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We might have more of a home field adv. than
first thought!

Hello everyone,

I heard about this while checking out The Weather Channel, believe it or not.  I was expecting Jennifer Lopez (that is her name by the way, and no, not THAT one,) to say that the series was being moved to Anaheim.  When I heard Milwaukee, I'm like "Duh, what was that?"  

I'm over the initial shock, but actually, it seems like we might have a better crowd than some are expecting, and that might not be that big of a surprise - the Brewers fans get to see two teams they normally wouldn't see, and two of the better ones in the AL.  And, recall that Milwaukee used to be an AL city - they might appreciate some games where pitchers don't have to hit.  :-)  

Plus, if the Brewers were feuding with the Angels in ST, they might just adopt the Indians as their team for 3 days, certainly not a bad thing.  :-)

Just my 2 cents.  

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 9, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Convient excuse or not, if we end up missing the playoffs by a game or two, I may go apesh*t. If I was the commissioner, I think I'd offer one of two options (or possibly a combination of both): keep all of the team's regularly scheduled off days, and make up these games either during the All-Star break or after the "season" is over in September. The best part about option B is that, if both teams are out of the race or we've already won the division, then you don't have to make up these games! Those may seem a bit extreme to some, but in my opinion, taking away a team's off days is a far stupider solution.

by Kos on Apr 9, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I agree.  

I just hope that when discussions take place for rescheduling, Dolan and Shapiro make a stink about how they got screwed royally in 2000, and missed the playoffs BECAUSE of the MLB.  I never wanna see 32 games in 30 days again, let alone during a playoff race.

by MikeCP on Apr 9, 2007 4:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
They are nice options...
However

As the owner of the Indians, how would you feel about giving up 4 games of revenue?  1 or 2 yes, but 4?  I'm not certain on the dollar value for games off hand - BP wrote a chapter about it in "Baseball by the Numbers" - but losing 4 games is a substantial income.  This is also why I feel 3 games in Milwakee with $10 seats is useless.

This option carries another flaw in my opinion.  You are a playoff caliber team and are a couple games out(say 2). You've already played a 6 month season with little rest and have a grueling month ahead.  Now, in order to make the playoffs you have to face a team for up to 4 games and POSSIBLY may need a "play-in" type game.  What that does is gives the other first round teams nearly an added week of "off-days" to rest up.  The important thing is, those teams would not have to rest their players come the final weeks of the season as they would know there is a chance for a couple off-days after the season.

In my opinion, they are better served NOT playing the games on off-days or during the all-star break, as those days of rest are greatly needed (not only for "rest", but also for other make-up games).  Thus, playing them at the end of the season - despite all the presented issues - is probably the best route.

Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 5:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
The post-season will not be delayed (or at the most 1 day).

There are 2 possible common off days plus the day after the All-Star game and DHs in Seattle which will take precedence over delaying the post-season.

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 6:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
What about other rain-outs?
Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 10, 2007 1:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Again, the two common off-days will not be played in Cleveland.  The CBA won't allow west-to-east coast travel without a day off.  I don't expect the CBA to  give this up when it's the MLB that made this mess in the first place.

Also, the All-Star break is a great idea, but without looking at the CBA, but a double-header on a day scheduled for a "break" is likely not going to go over very well.

by rolub on Apr 10, 2007 8:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
errr, the second time i said CBA i meant to say MLBPA.

by rolub on Apr 10, 2007 8:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
This adversity is a test of Wedge's leadership
skills.

If can mold this into a team-building experience,
he may come out the better for it.

If he can't, he is doomed.

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Your premise makes no sense to me.  Doomed?  

by mkwng on Apr 9, 2007 7:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doomed to be fired is my guess!
Hello mkwng,

I think what palcal is referring to is, if Wedge can't navigate his team through this difficulty, he is as good as gone, which I think is a reasonable assumption.

Wedge doesn't have any more leeway - his team needs to get to the postseason or be so extremely close (like in 2005) for them to pick up his option for next year.  Anything less than that and I think Wedge will be gone, regardless of the weather and scheduling conflicts.

That's what I think palcal was referring to.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 9, 2007 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Doomed to be fired is my guess!
It's just a nonsensical premise to begin with.  You construct some imaginary obstacle and assert that if he can't get around it, Wedge is as good as fired.  If Wedge doesn't get us to the playoffs, he probably will be fired.  But saying that he's doomed if he can't turn this into a "team building exercise" is farfetched at best.

by mkwng on Apr 9, 2007 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Doomed to be fired is my guess!
What is imaginary about the current situation?

If the team does not have their heads screwed on straight, they will get blown away, and could potentially ruin a promising season.

Sabathia did not sound too confident in his interview today.

A big challenge for Wedge is to get the team and particularly CC, to focus on the game at hand, and minimize the effect of the distractions.

The Angels were expecting to be on the road and caught a break by going to Milwaukee instead of Cleveland.  The Indians could be drowning in their sorrows if they don't have an effective leader.

by palcal on Apr 9, 2007 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Doomed to be fired is my guess!
The only ones drowning in their sorrows are the fans, because we're pissed.  Nothing that happens in the next 3 days, absent a season-ending injury, will ruin the season.  Nothing.  

by mkwng on Apr 9, 2007 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You all have many sympathies
Really sux.  As a Reds fan, I've always kind of rooted for the Indians, too.  I've been trying to encourage Reds fans who live around that area to go to the games, because the Indians are getting screwed, all because the Angels whined about the "logistical nightmare" it would be for them to switch the games to Anaheim.  My opinion (conspiracy theory?) - the large market Angels are getting their way over the medium market Indians.  Typical of MLB.

Too bad they couldn't have switched the Seattle and Anaheim series - wouldn't have been so bad to play two series out west!

Come worship at the Church of Baseball with Sister Daedalus!

by Daedalus on Apr 9, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: You all have many sympathies
I think the Angels are more concerned with losing out on ticket sales then the logistics.
Governor's Cup in '07!

by Brandini on Apr 9, 2007 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Brewer fan here.  This is what I know about the situation...

  1. Selig talked to the Dolan's this morning and the Dolan's suggested Miller Park be used.  They called someone from the Brewers and the Brewers were more than accomodating for this and so it was a go.  So this isnt really a Selig move.  It was something the Indians asked about.

  2. Cleveland basically is Milwaukee (with a lot more recent success).  We love the Tribe here in Milwaukee and from what I can tell from listening to local radio, websites, newspaper etc. that baseball fans are pretty stoked and attendance should be decent.  I mean, come on, other than the offical home opener which you'll still have, how many people can you expect to sit outside on a weekday night in freezing temps with it raining and/or snowing?  5-10,000?  I think you might be surprised by the amount of people at the game.

  3. I bought tickets for Tuesday and Wednesday night and will be pulling (loudly) for the Indians both nights.  It also sounds like a lot of Indian fans from Chicago will make the trip.  As long as they are not stupid Cub fans, welcome! Who doesnt like to see two playoff caliber teams in town?

Anyway, this sucks for Cleveland, but the only way to be sure your schedule isn't royally f'ed up the rest of the year is to get these 3 games in, and playing in cozy Miller Park will assure that.  Make the trip, Miller Park is nice, I promise!

Besides, who doesnt love $10.00 seats 5-10 rows behind home plate!!!!  That's what I've got both games!

by RyDogg66 on Apr 9, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Oh, and the Racing Sausages will be making an appearaince. Sweet.

http://www.jsonline.com/blog/?id=92

The Indians, at least, should feel right at home. The forecast this week calls for highs in the low 40s, with some precipitation on Wednesday. And the Famous Racing Sausages will compete at all three games.

by RyDogg66 on Apr 9, 2007 5:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Ticket prices kind of remind me of after the 1981 strike when the Indians played the Pirates in an "exhibition" game at Three Rivers.  We had really cheap seats right behind the dugout.

RyDogg - thanks for coming out.  Perhaps the lure of $10 seats in the sections that probably sell out every game may get some neutral fans in the park.

Maybe a few Harry Doyle clips on the scoreboard between innings?  

by IndyDave on Apr 9, 2007 5:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Many people at brewerfan.net (where I post) are going, and many are making signs with Major League references...such as..

"Vlad Guerrero leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hairs"

Gotta break out my Wild Thing glasses.

by RyDogg66 on Apr 9, 2007 5:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I dropped by the brewerfan forum to see the conversation you guys were having about these games, and the conversation made me smile. I wanted to say something over there, but signing up for the forum was too much of a pain. Anyway, I hope all y'all have a good time at the game(s)! :)

by AngG on Apr 9, 2007 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
No shit - one of these Indians "home games" was supposed to be a "Wild Thing" glasses giveaway.

by Scott on Apr 10, 2007 3:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Another Milwaukee Brewer fan here. No longer live in Milwaukee, but grew up there and my father was actually a huge Cleveland Indians Fan. If I and my dad were still living out there, I definitely would have gone to a game.
For those of you here who think you might be able to attend a game, along with calling the Brewers Ticket office, you can also order tickets for the game online from both the Brewers and Indians Web sites.
There does seem to be some interest in Milwaukee to these games, but I still think that at most they might draw about 5,000 per game. And the folks in Milwaukee are usually pretty nice and friendly. I'm sure most of the fans in Milwaukee going to the games will be rooting for the Indians.

by oden on Apr 9, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info.!
Hello everyone,

RyDogg66 and oden - I echo IndyDave's sentiments when I say, "thanks for coming out" and for providing the info. - greatly appreciated!

I'm hopeful there will be nice turnouts for those games - I think we might be pleasantly surprised, and by the sounds of it, the Brewers fans will support us more than the Angels, so we might have a bit of a home feel.  

And like I said before, the Brewers' fans will get to see two of the better AL teams, something that hasn't occurred there in over 10 years, since Milwaukee was in the AL, so I think there could be a nice turnout.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 9, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why we didn't build roofs on our stadiums!
Hello everyone,

The recent weather problems make me think back to the decisions to not put retractable roofs on our stadiums, which is looking more and more like dumb decisions in my opinion.

A retractable roof wouldn't have detracted from the ballpark or the outdoor experience, yet would allow the Indians to contend with this troublesome weather without having to move home games.

As for the Browns, Browns' Stadium would be up for Super Bowls, which would have paid for the roofs many times over.

As for cost, at the time Gateway and Browns' Stadium was built, Cleveland was thriving, so I think the cost analysis didn't take everything into account - yes, the initial cost would have been a lot, but between having Super Bowls and other indoor events all year round, as well as preventing scheduling nightmares for the Indians in April like this year, the revenue would have far outweighted the costs in the long run, which makes me think that those decisions to not have roofs on those two stadiums were two of the biggest mistakes Cleveland politicians (specifically, Mayor Mike White) have made in regards to our city's financial well-being over the last 15 years.

From what I understand, they could still add roofs to those two stadiums, but they won't do it, supposedly due to the cost, which would be harder to swallow now because it would cost more due to the higher cost of materials and manpower in the 2000s compared to the 1990s, plus the fact that Cleveland is no longer thriving, but in the long run, Cleveland would likely benefit from the added revenue from Super Bowls, other events, and the lack of Indians' postponements (in regards to the vendors and the downtown establishments.)

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 9, 2007 7:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why we didn't build roofs on our stadiums!
Yeah, if any stadium needed a roof, it was Cleveland Browns Stadium. It could have served as a convention center, or hosted Super Bowls. The only reason to put a roof on Jacobs Field is to prevent the 3-5 rainouts that normally happen each season.

by Ryan on Apr 9, 2007 8:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why we didn't build roofs on our stadiums!
As far as Super Bowls go, there is a certain number of hotel rooms (those high-quality ones on Brook Park do not count) needed within a specific square mile radius of the stadium, and Cleveland fell well short of that at the time the new stadium was being built.

by rolub on Apr 10, 2007 9:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why we didn't build roofs on our stadiums!
Didn't know that, thanks. You'd think though that building a stadium/convention center would invite more hotels to the downtown area.

by Ryan on Apr 10, 2007 9:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1!
Hello rolub and Ryan,

Thanks for the info. rolub - I didn't know that either.

Like Ryan though, I would think more hotels would have popped up if there had been a roof on Browns Stadium.  If I'm correct, not too long ago, a Hilton hotel went up near Jacobs Field, and I'm pretty sure it was not there during the 90s, so even without a roof, hotels do pop up, so I'm thinking that a roof would have drawn hotels like a magnet due to the fact that Browns Stadium could have been an all-year round facility, as well as a possible Super Bowl site.

That arguably might have been Mayor Mike White's worst move (or one of his worst, at least) in his tenure (and for the most part, I liked most of Mike White's decisions and moves for the city of Cleveland, but I remember I vehemently disagreed with that decision, and now it's really costing the city a lot of money, money the city could certainly use, especially since Cleveland has been rated the poorest big city in America in 2 of the last 3 years.)

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 10, 2007 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: +1!
Are you kidding?

The economic impact of the snow-outs is goingn to be something less than a million dollars.  A big bummer, but in no way counteracting a decision not to build a roofed stadium 15 years ago.

by Jay on Apr 10, 2007 11:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm referring to Browns Stadium, not Jacobs
Field.

Hello Jay,

I did mention both originally, but when I was referring to Mayor Mike White, I was referring to Browns' Stadium, which would have been much more profitable if it had a roof on it, both for conventions and for Super Bowls.

Jacobs Field - I can understand not having the roof, though I think it could have made some sense to have one, since we do get some inclement weather from time to time, but I could see not going with that one, and from listening to Jim Donovan and Bruce Drennan on STO the other day, as well as what I recall from those days, the Gateway Project likely would have failed if the cost would have been higher due to a proposed roof.  The vote barely passed as it was, and we all know the Indians would have been gone if Gateway had not passed.

In fact, Donovan or Drennen mentioned the fact that a Tampa Bay investment group was ready to head its way to Cleveland the day after the Gateway vote if it had not passed, so it's very likely the Indians would have been gone, but fortunately, Gateway did pass.

No, the Browns Stadium is the one that should have had the roof, and as I recall, the voters didn't vote on that one; Mike White and city officials had the power to decide that one, but chose to go for the no-roof, cheaper cost.  I can understand the cheaper-cost argument, but it's cost the city A LOT over the last 7 years since the Browns returned - I'm sure we could have got some conventions here, even if Cincinnati and Pittsburgh already have had some, and it's likely we would have had a Super Bowl here as well - the extra cost from that roof would have likely been paid back by now, and then some, just from those events, let alone any musical concerts or religious gatherings, etc.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Apr 13, 2007 2:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: +1!
Hotels don't just pop up. there must be a market for them. Pittsburgh and Cincy (and many other places) beat us to the high-mid size convention center concept, so there goes that market.  Ohh well--a convention center is not a substitute for a major corporate presence.

A roof would have cost taxpayers around ~ $200 million additional dollars.  While there are creative ways of financing these projects, there's little proof that stadia ever ammount to a fiscal boon to the regional economy.  Their value is largely symbolic.

Cleveland is poor not because we don't have a roofed stadium, but because of a decline in basic industry (which isn't necessarily industrial. it can be anything that is transmitted elsewhere: banks, law, material, widgets, and so on).  and the trend is very, very long.  The USA Today rankings are old news by over 40 years.  It's just more of the same.

The 90s weren't as kind to Cleveland as they seemed; the bicentenial and the success of the Tribe lifted our spirits, but most of the new  was for public projects like Gateway; and lots of public subsidies and tax breaks carried the private stuff.  

There have been many encouraging signs over the last couple years, but they're lower profile than what we saw in the 90s.

by homelytourist on Apr 11, 2007 12:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Perhaps all of these off days will allow Martinez enough time to recover without having to serve a full 15-day stint on the DL.  

Has anyone heard anything new news (presumably, today) on that front?

by mplswahoo on Apr 9, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
I think there's a 99.9% chance that he's going on the DL before tomorrow's game. What is nice about the all the postponements is that the Indians could be without him for only 10 or so days if he's ready to go after the 15 days.

by Ryan on Apr 9, 2007 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Yeah, but he's not going to catch both ends of a double-header in those makeup games, so we essentially lose him for a couple of those anyway.

by Jay on Apr 9, 2007 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Yeah, but if we had played any of those doubleheaders it would have been Shoppach and Rose. When the games are made up, it will be Martinez and Shoppach. A tiny silver lining from this past weekend, but a silver lining nonetheless.

by Ryan on Apr 9, 2007 11:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
So how will the retro-active work on Martinez's DL'ing?  Since there was technically no game on Friday can they back date it to Thursday?  Not that it matters too much it's just one day. I'm just sort of wondering.

by ovss13 on Apr 10, 2007 9:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
They have to retro it to when the injury first took place - that was on Friday. They can't reto it before then, unless he was having problems with the quad prior to Friday.

by Ryan on Apr 10, 2007 9:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
They're still saying they're not sure, but my money's on him going on the DL.  It's the more cautious thing to do, for one.  And I don't think they fly Brian Rose to Milwaukee and sign another guy for Buffalo if they aren't at least leaning toward DL'ing Victor.  They still have two catchers on the roster with Garko around, they could play a man short for one day.

by Jay on Apr 10, 2007 10:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
Assuming under that scenario, of course, that Hafner playing first, and Garko sitting on the bench, is a good thing.  

But you're right, a silver lining in the midst of an otherwise big mess.  

Of course, our collective memories of this whole sad saga will likely go away if we just start playing like we're capable of playing and winning some ballgames.  

by mplswahoo on Apr 10, 2007 1:43 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
FYI - The Brewers have opened up their second level for tonight's game.  The lower bowl seats 9,000 fans, so I would guess that will be a good guess as to the attendance for tonight.

Also, I dont know anyone who is rooting for the Angels.  It's Indians all the way baby.  You guys have a fun team to follow.

by RyDogg66 on Apr 10, 2007 1:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
It looks like Cleveland has brought the Winter weather with them. How more ironic can all of this be. First, you have the Indians having to play their games in Milwaukee, with the first game being on the day that the DVD special of the movie, "Major Leagues" comes out. Also, where the promotion for the game was going to be, "Rick 'Wild Thing' Vaughn" glasses night.
Now, it looks like there is a snowstorm heading towards Milwaukee with their be a chance of 8-10 inches of snow being forecasted.
The games will still probably go on, but it's going to hurt the number of people who actually do attend the games.

by oden on Apr 10, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: ESPN Radio reports games to Milwaukee
The Mariners are getting hammered in Boston today, 13-1 at the moment.  Hopefully, that has more to do with Weaver and other quality members of the Seattle pitching staff . . . . and less to do with rust from 3+ days of no baseball . . . .

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