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Traded C Maximiliano Ramirez to the Texas Rangers for OF Kenny Lofton

For all the wistful longing to bring back other Golden Agers, the stars finally aligned to allow the Indians to bring back a 1990s star.

When Kenny Lofton left Cleveland after the 2001 season, conventional wisdom was that he wasn't long for professional baseball. After all, Kenny was 34 years old, and played a position that isn't kind to thirtysomethings. Yet despite a nomadic post-Indians career which saw him live year-to-year on one-year contracts, Lofton remained a viable fielder, and he grew more comfortable with what he was capable of. In many ways, his offensive game is as good as it was after signing with the Indians in 1998.

What makes this work is that the Indians were without a platoon partner for Jason Michaels after David Dellucci's hamstring injury. Lofton has always had trouble against southpaws, but with Michaels around, that weakness shouldn't be exposed. A possible roadblock to making the deal work was Lofton's willingness to move out of center, but at this stage of his career, the draw of a championship far outshone a relatively minor position shift.

The deal not only brings to Cleveland an outfielder which filled a definite need, it also was a hugely popular move to a fanbase that has been living a decade behind the present. Before his first at-bat, the fans at Jacobs Field gave Lofton a 30-second standing ovation, and a warm round of applause in each subsequent appearance. Perhaps the juxtaposition of the old with the present may help remind the casual fan that the Indians are a good baseball team again. And the deal certainly won't hurt ticket sales the rest of the season.

Max Ramirez was a more than fair price to pay for Lofton; he's an outstanding hitting prospect who happens to be a catcher, though more Ryan Garko than Victor Martinez. His bat should play at first base or even DH, and although he's a couple years away, the Rangers got good value for a rental.

Optioned LHP Cliff Lee to Buffalo (AAA)

In order for the Indians to make this transaction, Lee needed to pass through revocable waivers. Most of the time, teams won't try to block this transaction. Cliff has an option remaining thanks to his early-career success, so he'll have an opportunity to hopefully regroup and figure out how to regain his former prowess. The Indians officially shipped him to Buffalo for Lee to work on his command, but judging from comments like this....

It's the right move," general manager Mark Shapiro said. "He's handled it extremely maturely. His competitiveness has always been a strength for him. He needs to use that competitiveness now to fuel himself to make adjustments."

..some of the adjustments have to come from Lee himself.

Barring the unforseen, Aaron Laffey will make at least one start in Lee's vacant spot. The Indians will go with four starters until August 4th, taking advantage of an off-day on Monday.

Recalled RHP Edward Mujica from Buffalo (AAA)

Mujica's here just to fill out the roster and maybe log some garbage innings until Laffey makes his start.

Optioned OF Ben Francisco to Buffalo (AAA)

Designated IF Hector Luna for Assignment

These two moves provided space for Lofton on the 40-man and 25-man rosters. Luna was hitting an awful .251/.297/.362 for the Bisons while playing poor defense. The decision to DFA him was an easy one, even though the organization is thin in high-level middle infielders.

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Nice recap of one of the best days (baseball wise) in recent memory.
Cleveland: It's like punching yourself in the face.

by fwembt on Jul 28, 2007 12:27 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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ETA on someone pleading for shapiro to acquire vizquel to be the utility infielder?

by Brick. on Jul 28, 2007 12:44 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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negative 5 years till someone here posts that as a genuine suggestion?  guess my post didn't totally make sense...

by Brick. on Jul 28, 2007 12:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Does anyone know where I can find the August Indians desktop calendar?

by supermarioelia on Jul 28, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Usually isnt completed until the last day of July or first of August.  It should be here though...I hope...I love them too!

by Tribe Alive on Jul 28, 2007 10:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Quick question...If Lee had an option remaining, why did he have to go through revocable waivers? Because of his service time? If so, what is the threshold for that?

Also, did Lee have any right(s) to refuse demotion?

Thanks for the great blog.

by ewoo on Jul 28, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I think because he's on a long-term contract.  And no, he had no veto (or he would have used it for sure).
ken from alexandria

by ken from alexandria on Jul 28, 2007 11:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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It had nothing to do with the long-term deal. It had been over 3 years since he first made an appearance on the 25-man, so he had to go through revocables.

by supermarioelia on Jul 28, 2007 11:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Mario has it right.  It's an obscure and confusing rule that frankly is not worth mastering the details.  It almost never comes up, and even when it does, players almost never get claimed in this situation.

Players don't have the right to refuse an optional assignment until they have five years of service time.  This was Lee's situation, so the answer is no.

Players don't have the right to refuse an outright assignment (off the 40-man) unless they've already been assigned outright earlier in their careers.

by Jay on Jul 28, 2007 2:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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This is more of a question than a declaration

But why don't we trade Jason Stanford? With the market so starved for Starting Pitching and players like Kip Wells being discussed in trade rumors why haven't we been shopping Stanford as a SP?

by world dictator on Jul 28, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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There's really no contrary reports to say we haven't.  For every deal made there are a thousand discussed.

by nickjs21 on Jul 28, 2007 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Probably this has less to do with the Indians' interest in shopping Stanford than it does with everybody else's interest in obtaining him. The market for starting pitching consists of guys of roughly Stanford's pedigree that can probably be had for less. Would you trade for him?

And there's a reason you'd have to pay something to get him. Given that baseball is a game of marginal improvement, I think the Indians have to be relatively pleased with Stanford. He's better insurance for the rotation than Sowers or Lee, he's as good a long-man as anybody they'd give the job to, and he's a more effective reliever than Cabrera or Mujica right now.

by fleerdon on Jul 28, 2007 2:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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If I needed starting pitching,especially as bad as some teams here do, then I'd definetely give him a through check out. Maybe I'm biased but I do think he's better or as good as some of the players being discussed given the current market.

by world dictator on Jul 28, 2007 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Sigh. Was Luna really the best we could do for Ronnie?

by fleerdon on Jul 28, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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You mean, for the guy who couldn't get a starting job on any team, or even a backup job on any team but the Nationals?  Yes.

by Jay on Jul 28, 2007 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'm not REALLY bitching about the Belliard-Luna trade. I guess Hector served his purpose by soaking up some meaningless starts. But if had been somebody younger and equally useless, at least I wouldn't have to have observed the EFFECTS of the trade. (Shield my eyes, Mark. I don't need to know.)

Your comment did, however, make me actually look at Belliard's stats, which surprised me. I thought he'd been decent-bad-decent-bad. The reality is more like marginal-miserable-All Star-marginal. Really, what the hell happened in 2004? I guess if I were to explain what I considered to be evidence of PED use, it's a 29-year-old who turns into a doubles machine on a one-year contract, and whose already limited range collapses entirely shortly thereafter.

by fleerdon on Jul 29, 2007 1:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Pretty good theory, I guess.

There's no point mincing words about Luna.  For what he seemed to be worth, it was a decent deal -- more than one national writer said at the time that it appeared that Luna was already a better player than Belliard.  But obviously his value has plummeted -- he hasn't worked out by a long shot.

I always wondered how much incentive he could really have to impress an organization that had dumped him twice before, and that seemed to have less interest in keeping him in the majors than his previous one.  Motivation is a mysterious creature, and not everyone can self-motivate.

by Jay on Jul 29, 2007 1:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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If and when the Tribe trades Sabathia, I'm expecting the headline will read "Traded Carsten Charles Sabathia for ..."

Or maybe - "Traded Edward "Bubbie" Buzachero for ..."

by SpringTrainingFun on Jul 28, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Am I right that when/if Laffey makes the start next week we have to move someone else off the 40-man?  If so, the candidates would seem to be:

M. Koplove
J. Koronka
J. Lara
J. Stanford
M. Aubrey
J. Inglett
S. Soo-Choo (to the 60-day DL?)
T. Nixon

We actually seem to have a lot of fluff on the 40-man right now, which I suppose bodes well for adding young guys to it in the off-season.

by APV on Jul 28, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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You are correct about when Laffey becomes the #5, somebody will have to be moved off the 25 and the 40.

Best guess is Muijica hops on that bus back down to Buffalo and Koplove or Koronka get the boot off the 40.

Choo would have to be added to the 25, put on the DL and then moved to the 60 since he is already on the minor league DL, not the major league DL. To add him to the 25, somebody would have to be sent down at least temporariliy. I think.

by talonk on Jul 30, 2007 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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