Cabrera DFA
After the game, Cabrera was notified that he was designated for assignment.
The link has the following quotes from Cabrera:
A frustrated Cabrera said he hopes to get another chance in the big leagues.
"I trust in myself and what I can do in this game," he said. "Nobody's going to take that from my mind."
"We'll see what happens," Cabrera said. "There are 29 other teams, and everybody's looking for pitching."
He seems to think he had only one bad outing, July 16.
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by E5 on
Aug 1, 2007 12:42 AM EDT
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by AngG on
Aug 1, 2007 12:43 AM EDT
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Aug 1, 2007 1:43 AM EDT
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by CarnegieAndOntario on
Aug 1, 2007 1:59 AM EDT
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Aug 1, 2007 2:12 AM EDT
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by new zealand tribe fan on
Aug 1, 2007 4:31 AM EDT
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I guess in the bigs you never know.
by ploni on
Aug 1, 2007 10:45 AM EDT
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by drerikbrady on
Aug 1, 2007 7:03 AM EDT
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Gotta nagging feeling that I'm missing something, but I think that's it, isn't it?
by ManchildinBeantown on
Aug 1, 2007 1:02 PM EDT
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Oops.
by ManchildinBeantown on
Aug 1, 2007 1:04 PM EDT
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by Fundamentals on
Aug 1, 2007 7:56 AM EDT
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We all have this feeling...it's just not the right time and place for him right now.
by supermarioelia on
Aug 1, 2007 8:21 AM EDT
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I hope he somehow sneaks through without being claimed, because I think he is going to be back to dominating sooner rather than later.
by Jackdaw on
Aug 1, 2007 10:25 AM EDT
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We've been questioning what's between his ears all season, and I think that in itself may prove that he clearly did not have the bullpen mentality that we would've needed in the playoffs. He probably figured allowing 1 run/inning was a success.
This is actually quite amusing, because I can definitely see Willis and Wedge commending Cabrera after an outing for an improvement in his stuff (even if he allowed a run or two) because they were so desperate to see any signs of life, and he took that as being an indication that it was a genuinely succesful outing.
by supermarioelia on
Aug 1, 2007 8:26 AM EDT
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It's disappointing in the sense that many
I too wonder about his comment regarding just one bad outing; maybe it was from Willis and Wedge encouraging him after he showed "some" improvement, even though you'd think Cabrera would remember those days from 2005 when he allowed few runs, and didn't give up many hits or walks - that body of work is what he should have considered to be good - anything less than that is really not good, especially for a front-end reliever trying to keep his team in the game when the starter has been knocked out early or a back-end reliever trying to shut down the opposition before giving the game to your closer.
It will be interesting to see if he can have success elsewhere or if his mechanics and/or his mental approach will prevent him from having any consistent success anywhere. And, of course, perhaps he could still wind up in Buffalo. We'll see.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
by indiansfan on
Aug 1, 2007 8:41 AM EDT
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Maybe he clears waivers. I would think Shapiro has been trying to trade him. So maybe there won't be a lot of interest from other teams putting a work in progress on their 25 man roster.
by zigsmom on
Aug 1, 2007 8:45 AM EDT
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by tribemountain on
Aug 1, 2007 8:50 AM EDT
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by JK in CBus on
Aug 1, 2007 9:01 AM EDT
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by tribemountain on
Aug 1, 2007 9:47 AM EDT
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He was a starter that season, even though they already knew he'd eventually move the bullpen. He moved up to Akron late that season, and while his ERA was mediocre, he struck out 136 in 137 innings. Based on the K rate and his pure stuff, he would have been considered one of the top targets in the Rule 5.
That is the reason he was out of options after 2005. But they obviously would have had to add him after 2003, when he struck out 9.5 K/9 -- still mostly as a starter -- in Double-A at age 21. So any way they handled it, he would have been out of options before 2007.
So the only second-guess you can make is not rolling the dice on the Rule 5 in 2002. That would have given them the ability to send Cabrera down to Buffalo for most of 2006, and there is a possibility that would have helped him. Fact is, though, Cabrera got into 51 games in Cleveland last season, and four games in Buffalo on a dubious "rehab assignment." The noncontending situation meant that the Indians weren't afraid to try to straighten him out in major league games, so maybe the option thing becomes a wash at that point.
Every out-of-options case reminds us that the new CBA gives teams an extra year with these guys, but there's always a chance you run out of time anyway. You can always end up with a player who is just barely good enough to be a Rule 5 risk, one year earlier than you'd have liked, and then just barely good enough to be in the majors, but not yet truly ready, and out of options.
You can also note that this is an inherent problem with signing players under 18. Cabrera had to be placed on the 40-man just days after his 21st birthday -- it would be his 22nd under the new CBA -- and many players are just not close to being major league contributors by that point, though they may be eventually. There isn't anything that can be done about that, because you're not going to pass up a high-ceiling player -- i.e., one who can throw in the high 90's -- just because you might eventually lose him on the waiver wire.
by Jay on
Aug 1, 2007 9:58 AM EDT
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If anyone knows of a good resource for this stuff, please pass it on.
by tribemountain on
Aug 1, 2007 10:20 AM EDT
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by Ryan on
Aug 1, 2007 10:44 AM EDT
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A player on a minor league deal must be placed on the 40-man roster (given a major league contract) within 4-5 years of his signing, or else another team can select him in the Rule 5 draft. Until last year, it was only 3-4 years.
A player can only be optionally assigned in three different seasons -- "out of options" means that the player has already been sent to the minors in three prior seasons, since being added to the 40-man roster.
For prospects signed out of high school like Cabrera, this generally means that the option years are spent somewhat hurriedly getting the player ready for the majors by the end of his 6th year as a pro. This comes up much less often for college signees, who are often drafted at 21 and may not run out of options until they're 27 or 28.
Cliff Lee was signed in 2000 and added to the 40-man roster in 2002, when he was called up in September. He was not sent back down in 2002, however, so no option was used. He actually has two options remaining, because 2003 was the only season in which he was optionally assigned.
by Jay on
Aug 1, 2007 11:25 AM EDT
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by jdudas on
Aug 1, 2007 12:39 PM EDT
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by JK in CBus on
Aug 1, 2007 10:24 AM EDT
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by Jay on
Aug 1, 2007 11:27 AM EDT
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Can anyone tell me why Matt Miller continues to languish in Buffalo? His ERA is 2.10 right now after he struck out all batters he faced in an inning last night (Lara allowed an inherited runner to score).
What the hell are we waiting for? Is he in Wedge's doghouse because he didn't want to go to Buffalo in the first place? Is there some sort of roster machination I'm not seeing? I can't figure it out.
by cheech99 on
Aug 1, 2007 9:46 AM EDT
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by zempf on
Aug 1, 2007 9:48 AM EDT
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But there's no way I envision him not being a key piece of our bullpen in late August and September.
by supermarioelia on
Aug 1, 2007 9:56 AM EDT
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by Jay on
Aug 1, 2007 9:59 AM EDT
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by cheech99 on
Aug 1, 2007 10:04 AM EDT
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It's always sad to see talent unharnessed and failing.
by afh4 on
Aug 1, 2007 11:38 AM EDT
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My best guess is that Shapiro was trying to trade him at the deadline, couldn't find what he exactly liked, and now that the deadline has passed, he'll use the DFA process to try and finish off whichever deal(s) he was previously working on.
I wish him well, but preferably in the NL as a setup man (once he gets his head straightened out, if that's possible, that is). I don't want him coming back and throwing in late innings against us if he figures it out.
by talonk on
Aug 1, 2007 11:44 AM EDT
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by Joe. on
Aug 1, 2007 1:05 PM EDT
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I figured FC + Andrew Brown would dominate by now... oh well.
by homelytourist on
Aug 1, 2007 1:23 PM EDT
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Worth trying to acquire from the NYY? His days there appear done. Now, I know he's a bit of a head case, but at least he has some fire.
Plus he can beat the snot out of people, if the need ever arose.
by gte619n on
Aug 1, 2007 1:58 PM EDT
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by zempf on
Aug 1, 2007 2:02 PM EDT
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by CarnegieAndOntario on
Aug 1, 2007 2:10 PM EDT
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by Turkmenbashi on
Aug 1, 2007 2:53 PM EDT
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Time to throw'em all against a wall and see who sticks.
by ManchildinBeantown on
Aug 1, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
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by oxforddave on
Aug 1, 2007 2:28 PM EDT
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by NickFantana on
Aug 1, 2007 2:30 PM EDT
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by supermarioelia on
Aug 1, 2007 2:40 PM EDT
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by zempf on
Aug 1, 2007 3:41 PM EDT
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See Jay's post, re: dog poop.
by nickjs21 on
Aug 1, 2007 4:13 PM EDT
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what are the waiver rules for guys in the minors with trades after the 31st? the same?
by Brick. on
Aug 1, 2007 6:10 PM EDT
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by talonk on
Aug 1, 2007 7:07 PM EDT
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by palcal on
Aug 1, 2007 8:32 PM EDT
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- A player out of options can't be "optionally assigned" to the minors.
- Therefore, he needs to be off the 40-man roster to go to the minors.
- A player has to clear waivers in order to be removed ("outrighted") off the 40-man roster.
The deadline-waiver rules apply to anyone on the 40-man roster. If Cabrera somehow makes it to Buffalo, he'll be off the 40-man, so he can be traded to anyone, anytime.
by Jay on
Aug 2, 2007 11:20 AM EDT
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In order to be traded without being sent to the minors, Cabrera now has to clear "Major League waivers," that is, revocable waivers. But I think it is very likely that he would clear those, as no contending team is likely to want him.
If he were claimed on revocable waivers, the Indians would be free to work out a deal with that team, or to pull him back. It seems likely to me that a deal would happen in that situation -- the Indians would be expecting a player back who isn't on the 40-man anyway, so that guy wouldn't have to clear any kind of waivers.
by Jay on
Aug 2, 2007 11:23 AM EDT
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Prior to July 31, can trade Cabrera to anyone no waivers, nada (just like everyone else)
After July 31, he would go thrrough revocable waivrs to get dealt. If someone claimed him we could pull him back, but he'd still be on the 25 since he's out of options.
Since Shapiro DFAed him, he is going through irrevocable waivers. If we don't make a trade at end of 10 days, another team can claim him without giving anything up (this would also have occurred before July 31). My guess is irrevocable overrides revocable.
by talonk on
Aug 2, 2007 11:31 AM EDT
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I believe that typically, you don't put a player on outright waivers immediately when you DFA him, because you can't trade him once you do that. You have ten days total, so you spend up to seven days exploring trades, and if you don't make one, then you put him on irrevocable waivers.
So the wrinkle after July 31 is that sometime during those first seven days, if you have any serious interest in trading him, you probably put the player on revocable waivers to see how that pans out.
by Jay on
Aug 2, 2007 11:57 AM EDT
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if he clears we can trade him to anyone in the remainder of the 10 days or try and then place him on revocable wiavers to get him in the minors on the 40 man?
if he's claimed off the revocable we can trade him to that team or pull him back and........ now i'm lost agian. i think i get it mostly. thanks jay.
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Aug 2, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
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Aug 2, 2007 12:21 PM EDT
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Aug 2, 2007 12:23 PM EDT
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Aug 2, 2007 12:25 PM EDT
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by Jay on
Aug 2, 2007 1:10 PM EDT
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by Brick. on
Aug 2, 2007 1:21 PM EDT
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If you use Cabrera is '2A3,' it's all gravy.
by CarnegieAndOntario on
Aug 2, 2007 1:36 PM EDT
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Aug 2, 2007 1:40 PM EDT
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Aug 2, 2007 3:44 PM EDT
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Aug 2, 2007 3:45 PM EDT
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by palcal on
Aug 1, 2007 10:05 PM EDT
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i still want to know what the waiver rules are for non roster guys after the deadline...
by Brick. on
Aug 1, 2007 10:33 PM EDT
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