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Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch

Lee's start tomorrow will be our last piece of data to base the 25th and 30th decisions on. Let's say for the sake of simplicity that we're choosing one pitcher for both starts.

So who ya got?

My pick is Sowers by a nose over Laffey.

His success in AAA over the last month or so has been well-documented here. He's given them 6+ innings consistently, seen his K rates increase, kept his walks down, had great movement on his pitches, and allowed only 9 ER over his last 5 outings. I think we can all agree he's been great down there.

And his success against the M's and Royals doesn't hurt. 2.50 ERA career against KC in 18.0 IP (including a gem this year) and a complete game shutout last year against the M's. Yeah it's only 4 games, I know. And you could argue that Laffey being a new pitcher to both teams could be just as useful as Sowers' success. Laffey has been good in his last two starts in Buffalo as well. A few too many baserunners today for my liking, but he's been just as solid. Either way, I'll be happy seeing Sowers or Laffey on Saturday.

I can say pretty confidently that Cliff won't be chosen based on his career stats against KC. 5.35 ERA, 1.42 WHIP in 79.0 IP. I think he could still use a few more starts in Buffalo too....not everything is ironed out with him just yet.

Let's hear it...who ya got?

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Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I've read that Sowers really isn't in consideration for the promotion, for whatever reason.  That disappointed me.  If that is the case, I'd bring Laffey back up over Lee, based largely on walk rates. I honestly think I'd take Laffey either way right now, but Sowers deserves some consideration.

by Fundamentals on Aug 19, 2007 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I thought someone said they heard Wedge remark about not wanting to send down any of the position players when the call "Lee" back up?

by hans on Aug 19, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Wedge said on the pre-game show that he would like to keep 5 position players on the bench if he can swing it.  It sounds like it depends on the condition of the bullpen on August 25.  If they can make the 24th a laugher against KC, they can throw Mujica for 2-3 innings before they send him down.  As it is, he has gone a week without pitching twice this month.

by palcal on Aug 19, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Wedge's bullpen use has been pretty frustrating. I mean, I get that we're in a playoff race, but goodness me would I like to know if Jensen Lewis can hold a tight lead. We'll need somebody else eventually, right? Fatigue? Injury? Either they're major league pitchers or they're not.

by fleerdon on Aug 19, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I don't think that Sowers is even in consideration. From all of the comments it seems like they want Lee to get the start. If he does well tomorrow I think it will surely be him.
I heard that L.Carr is only going to dress 25 players this Sat........the rest can dress themselves!

by gahnki on Aug 19, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I sincerely hope that it's not Lee.  While he's shown improvement, he's nowhere near what a established, injury-free, competent ML starter should be doing in AAA.  I could make some KC being a AAAA team, but they're actually much improved this year.

That said, I really do wish that Sowers is brought back - read all those things Lee is supposed to be above, place those expectations on Sowers and throw in the fact he's actually showing what he's supposed to?  Yeah, give him the nod and let Laffey continue to grow and learn his craft down in the minors.  This will also be a good gauge to see how much Sowers has improved.

Back to being in 1st place in only one LGT Fantasy League. I have faith that'll soon regress back to the norm.

by mjmarble on Aug 19, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I don't really feel that strongly one way or the other.  Obviously Lee has had a lot more success in the majors than Sowers, but then again, Sowers is less of a dick.

He may not get the call, but Sowers is finally showing some adjustment to Triple-A by raising his K rates.  He's up to 6 K/9 on the season, but more significantly, he's up to 7.5 K/9 for his last six starts -- along with 6.2 IP per start and a 2.04 ERA.

I still wouldn't say he's dominating, but he's starting to put up numbers that look more like they can translate to sustained success in the majors.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
what influence will the playoff elligible roster considerations have, if any, in which one gets the call?

i'm less worried about who gets this call than i am with what the indians do if said pitcher sh!ts the bed in that start.  then what?  seems to me, lee has the most to prove.  sowers has the least to loose, and laffey would have the most slack.  now i'm rambling.  i guess i'm asking what's plan B?  probably need plan A to play out first, i guess.  ramble complete.

by Brick. on Aug 20, 2007 1:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I'm not sure any of these guys make the playoff roster.  Do we really need five starters in the playoffs?

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
This is a tough one because the performance of these three players certainly isn't going to be given equal weight in the decision making process.  One guy is a veteran on a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract, one is a former top draft prospect with established big-league success, and the third is an up and coming prospect.  This is made more difficult because they're numbers in Buffalo are almost inversely related to their "established" big-league success, as Laffey has certainly been the best and Lee has been the worst.  Lee is coming off of his worst start.  Sowers has put together two of his best and his generally (if not dramatically) improved throughout his Buffalo stay.  Laffey has been the best all season and his August 14th start was better than anything Lee or Sowers has done in Buffalo.  My inclination would be to go with Laffey or Sowers, depending on hwo the front office thinks the Buffalo-Cleveland yo-yo dance is going to affect their long-term likelihood for success.  I just have no confidence Lee gives Cleveland a good chance of winning right now.

by APV on Aug 20, 2007 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
My spelling was terrible in that.  

/shamed

by APV on Aug 20, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I don't think the contracts are going to be given much weight in this.  I think the track records will be given weight -- Lee has the clear edge -- but that's not the same thing as considering "veteran status."

Nice "big picture" game for Buffalo yesterday ... box score ... Laffey actually struggled, 97 pitches in six innings with 11 baserunners, but still allowed only one run.  I love "bad starts" like this from prospects.

Then Adam Miller comes in, strikes out the first two batters he sees, third guy out on an infield fly.  Then Matt Miller comes in, allows two singles and a sac bunt, gets two groundouts to end the inning with no runs scored.  Finally, Koplove, another scorless inning.

Also!  Mike Rouse is on the roster, playing shortstop every day, and he got a double and a walk.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Just a quick correction on Matt Miller, he did allow one earned run.

by supermarioelia on Aug 20, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Thanks for the correction.  A run scored, of course, on the first groundout, with men on second and third.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Will Cliff have to clear revocables again if we decide to send him down after a disastrous start on the 25th?

by supermarioelia on Aug 20, 2007 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I don't know, but I suspect not.  Generally you don't need to get a waiver on the same player twice in the same waiver period, and we definitely are in the same one.

It doesn't really matter, though, because rosters expand to 40 a few days later.  We're going to want to start the same guy on the 25th and 30th, but after that, we can call up everybody if we want.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
too bad they're all lefties.  in september they could've 'platooned' the 5th spot of the rotation.

by Brick. on Aug 20, 2007 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I think it almost has to be Lee.  In the absence of him pitching horribly tonight, there are personal issues that play into a move like this.  While the cost of not calling up either Laffey or Sowers is small, there may be a long-term attitude cost involved in not calling up Lee.  

Then again, I can't say that I terribly care who we call up, as there are good arguments for all 3 guys.

by Thommy on Aug 20, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
So is it morally wrong to hope Lee craps the bed tonight?

by supermarioelia on Aug 20, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Haha of course it's dumb. But even with a good outing tonight I just don't think he's ready...tough decision all around. It's times like this I'm thankful I'm not the GM but rather a fan who is allowed to criticize the GM.

by supermarioelia on Aug 20, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I'm confused as to your stance. You really think Sowers (or Laffey) gives the Indians a decidedly better chance at winning games?

I can't get behind that. It's a toss up considering the low number of starts and the fact that none of these guys are doing much in Buffalo to indicate an ability to succeed at the major league level. Lee and Sowers are both putting up decent numbers but they're both doing it with peripherals that don't look great. They each look great on occasion but neither has fully conquered the big problems pitchers have in transitioning-not enough K's, too many flyouts, too many walks, too many hits, etc. Sowers is on a decent run right now but is there any reason to believe that's any better predictor than Lee's decent stints in the majors this year?

And Laffey is just not ready.

I guess my point is, how can you be strongly against any of these guys right now? To me, it's a roll of the dice as to what we're going to get out of any of them and unless you really believe in trying to ride a hot hand (i.e. Sowers) from AAA to the majors they all look like similarly not so great bets.

by afh4 on Aug 20, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I think we can all agree we're going to need some runs on Saturday.

by supermarioelia on Aug 20, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Meh, I don't know. Baseball is a weird, weird sport. It would certainly be surprising, but not exactly shocking, if one of these guys goes a solid 7 innings. I mean, Cliff pitched a complete game in Anaheim, right?

by afh4 on Aug 20, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense, but how can you say Laffey is not
ready?

Hello Andrew,

No offense, but I think this statement:

"And Laffey is just not ready."

is way too strong; really, did Laffey do anything to knock himself out of the #5 spot?  He gave us a chance to win both games, which is essentially what you ask for from your #5 starter.  The main reason Laffey was sent back to Buffalo was because the Indians felt Laffey would be better served continuing to pitch every 5 days, rather than being skipped over.  I don't think the Indians were disappointed by his performance or thought he wasn't ready to handle the Majors - otherwise, why didn't they bring up Sowers or Minor League veteran Jeff Harris, or even bring back Lee after just 1-2 AAA starts?

Looking at Laffey's AAA ratios:

H/9 IP = 8.32
BB/9 IP = 2.15
K/9 IP = 7.01
HR/9 IP = 0.47

I don't see why he couldn't handle the back-end of a rotation right now and do a decent to solid job back there.  Like I said, did he really do that badly in two ML starts up here to declare "he's not ready"?  I don't think so.  

And Lee's great start against Anaheim was several months ago, by a guy who should be experienced enough to be doing better than what he is doing at this point.  While most of his AAA stats are solid, his BB/9 IP definitely concerns me - 15 BB/25.0 IP, a 5.40 BB/9 IP ratio?!  I don't see him pitching much better at the ML level than when he left.  Even if he's working on his pitches and his sequence of attacking hitters, you'd think he wouldn't have that high of a BB rate against AAA hitters, not near the caliber of ML hitters.  If AAA hitters are drawing that type of BB rate off of him, what would ML hitters do against him?  Even if his BB rate would be lower, chances are, they'd hit his pitches coming over the plate better than the AAA hitters are doing - i.e. Lee can survive with a high BB rate down at AAA, but I doubt that translates well to the ML level, which says to me that Lee is not ready to return yet.

So, essentially, as you mentioned, all three have their strengths, but I don't think Lee is superior to the two just because he had some success at the ML level a while ago.  He's really not the same pitcher, much like Sowers wasn't showing himself to be the same pitcher as he was last year when he was up earlier this year.  

Personally, my order for that #5 spot would be:

  1. Laffey - was the #5 starter before he left and really did nothing to think he couldn't handle it.
  2. Sowers - has shown improvement at AAA and the Indians need to see if that improvement translates to the ML level.
  3. Lee - his BB rate must improve, or he'll likely get torched at the ML level just like he did before he was sent down.  

Besides that, I'd think Lee would translate the best of the three to the bullpen, as his stuff might regain the bite it once had when he was averaging 7-8 K/9 IP as well, and that would be far better than what he has been showing lately as a starter.  Therefore, I'd consider even transferring him to the bullpen; as Jay mentioned, we won't need 5 starters for the postseason rotation, and probably only 3 for the first round, and really would Lee beat out Byrd or Westbrook at this point for that #3 spot or the other for the #4 spot if we make it to the ALCS?  Not likely at this point in my opinion.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 20, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No offense, but how can you say Laffey is not
I agree with you indiansfan on this. Laffey is in my opinion is the best option of the three. I'm going to stand by my point that C. Lee needs to decrease his BB/9 rate under 3.0 for him to be anywhere near  a better choice than Laffey. If Lee can cut down on the BBs he'd be a perfectly fine fifth starter for our needs. Laffey can get by because of his GB% (68.6% in the two starts), Lee can't.

by hans on Aug 20, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No offense, but how can you say Laffey is not
I don't think "not being ready" and "being the best choice" are mutually exclusive. Maybe I should've said Laffey isn't fully developed, or even close. You hope to get 5 or 6 decent innings out of Aaron, which is not his ultimate ceiling. That's more what I was driving at-he's not ready to be the pitcher he can be and he's not ready to be a real contributor.

by afh4 on Aug 23, 2007 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No offense, but how can you say Laffey is not
'He's not ready to be the pitcher he can be and he's not ready to be a real contributor."

I can agree with the first part that he's not reached his ceiling based on age and what have you, but, the second part about whether he can be a contributor or not is more of a question of alternatives. If he, Lee, and Sowers are vying for the same 5th starter/playoff bullpen role, as of right now I think Laffey is the the one performing the best and deserving of the role. You can say that he might be able to perform at a level that meets your criteria of "contributing" but, I would argue neither would Lee or Sowers based on anything we've seen of them in the recent months.

by hans on Aug 23, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No offense, but how can you say Laffey is not
I think we understand each other. MAybe it would've been better if I'd said "he's not ready to be a full time major leaguer." That doesn't mean he can't contribute to this major league season it just means that, as he is today, he's probably not good enough to be in a rotation all season.

by afh4 on Aug 23, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes sense!
Hello Andrew,

I see what you mean now - Laffey is not as good as he could be someday.  That makes sense.

Still, with the way Lee has pitched for most of this season, and even parts of last season, I'm not sure he'll ever consistently find the form he had a few years ago, which is why I wouldn't mind trying him out in the bullpen - I think the increased velocity, just needing one breaking pitch, and going through a lineup 1-2 times at most could do wonders for him.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 23, 2007 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No offense, but how can you say Laffey is not
Actually, under the TNSTAAPP rule ... Laffey is already there.  Given how mediocre the average 4th starter is, how can we not consider him a major league pitcher right now?

We are simply choosing to have him do a little more developing in the minors.  He may get better still, but he's already a big leaguer in every way that's meaningful.

by Jay on Aug 23, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that!
Hello Jay,

I certainly think Laffey could hold his own at the back of a ML rotation right now; granted, he'd probably have his ups-and-downs, but what #4 or #5 starter doesn't?  Heck, the #3s in many rotations have their ups-and-downs, and even better pitchers than that (i.e. #1s and #2s; look at Jeremy Bonderman's season as one example.)

I certainly don't think Laffey would be a bad choice for the #5 spot for the rest of this year if the Indians decide to go that route; besides that, Lee has given him this opportunity by pitching as poorly as he has - if Lee had pitched like we all expected him to pitch, Laffey or Sowers wouldn't have the chance to make the rotation at this time, which also suggests that Lee is no more of a sure bet to hold down that #5 spot better than Laffey or Sowers at this point because Lee hasn't looked anywhere close to what he was 2-3 years ago when he was striking out more guys and looking more like a quality #3-#4 starter.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 23, 2007 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I don't think there is a really clear decision here.  Laffey looks like the hotter hand, but you have to give Lee the benefit of the doubt at some point.  I have to think, with the postseason in mind, that even if Laffey gets the 25th, Lee is the one they're going to want on the roster on the 30th.

Sowers isn't at all lined up for the start and doesn't look like a better choice than the other two, anyway.

Main thing in my mind is that once they pick Lee or Laffey, the other one should move to the bullpen immediately, for possible use in September or postseason.  (In either case, the move would be considered temporary.)  Sowers is pitching well enough to be the #6 starter when we need him next month, and we'll be swimming in other available arms in case of some kind of pinch.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Looking back at Lee's numbers in Buffalo, maybe I was a little harsh in my initial assessment.  He actually has pitched pretty well, except for his terrible control and inability to go deep into games.  He's been averaging just 5 innings a start and allowing 3 walks in those 5 innings.  He's got better stuff than either Sowers or Laffey, but I don't see those numbers translating well to Cleveland and our already endangered bullpen.  Maybe he would be better served coming out of the pen where his K% would better compensate for his BB%.

by APV on Aug 20, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Service time rears its ugly head ...

Sowers, by my count, has 169 days.  That puts him just three days away from being credited with a full year, which means he hits free agency a year earlier.  Then again, this assumes that he spends all of the next two seasons in the majors, which is by no means a given.

At any rate, the Indians may not see any great reason to give him an extra 25-30 days of service time when he isn't really in a position to help.  That is, not necessarily one of our best five starters and seemingly not much of a fit for a significant bullpen role.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
My other thought is that Laffey, who started last night, gives them the option of inserting the #5 man on the 24th and 29th rather than the 25th and 30th, giving everyone an extra day of rest that they haven't had in a while -- and won't have again for weeks.  That would also allow them to skip the #5 man on September 13 if they wanted.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
They can skip him again on Sept 24 as well.

by Jay on Aug 20, 2007 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I'll admit that some of my dislike of Lee is based on the fawning his won/loss record gets from people like Matt Underwood.

Has he really gotten that much worse, or has his luck (massive run support) just run out?

I lean toward Laffey.  I won't scream if it's any of them, but I'd prefer Laffey.

by Julie on Aug 20, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
"He pounds the zone with a ton of confidence"

confidence = sinking fastballs.

nice write-up.

by hans on Aug 20, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
This really doesn't have anything to do with Lee/Laffy/Sowers, but can we keep Miller in the 'pen until rosters expand then have him throwing 100mph heat to close out the four game sweep of the Mets in the World Series?

Please?

by gte619n on Aug 20, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Well actually if you go by the Fox radar guns he'd probably be throwing 154 MPH with digitally added flames trailing the ball to the plate. They may even add a little graphic where the ball explodes in the catchers mitt.

by hans on Aug 20, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I thought if you added someone through expanded rosters, they couldn't play in the playoffs?
The poster formerly known as JRam.

by Joe on Aug 21, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Unless they're subbing for an injured player.

by Jay on Aug 21, 2007 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
are the rules on this worth a thread?

(insert obligatory not meaning to suggest work for you comment here)

by Brick. on Aug 21, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I don't think so.  They're not that interesting, and we don't really face many significant roster decisions.  They're going to keep Dellucci on the DL until September 1, so they'll get to choose from any of the position players they could want.  
Basically, they're using the unneeded fifth starter spot to add a man to the bench, both now and in the postseason.

That leaves 11 spots for pitchers, with four starters and four relievers locked in.  It's the last three spots that are interesting.  They may fill all four spots with relievers -- leaving Lee and Laffey and Sowers off the 25-man on August 31.  They can always pull one of them later in if there's an injury in the rotation, but if there isn't, and if one of them can't switch to the bullpen, then who needs them?

by Jay on Aug 21, 2007 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
so they will have to bring one of them up for the 25th start, then send them down again till after the 31st?

by Brick. on Aug 21, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
No, send them down after the second start.

by Jay on Aug 21, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
geeze, duh, the other start falls before.  but yeah the answer i was looking for was that you do have to send him down again.  thank you, once again.

by Brick. on Aug 21, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Unless you think one of them fits in the bullpen.

Who would you rather have in the bullpen, just through the end of the year, Lee or Laffey?

by Jay on Aug 21, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
lee actually - to try it on for size anyway.

you know, see if giving him a different mental approach (mental big with him apperently) makes a differnce.  "go in there and give everything you've got into these three batters and we'll leave you alone till the day after tomorrow".  He could throw harder and be more aggressive - perhaps he could gel this year and beyond in that role.

laffy i just assume start or rest.

by Brick. on Aug 21, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Lee with another spectacular start last night.

5IP, 3R (2 earned), 10 baserunners, 4BB, 5K

Saturday should be fun times.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I really don't think this warrants two starts later this month in the bigs.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I say Laffey, by the way. Seeing his first ML start, I was impressed.

by Gradyforpresident on Aug 21, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
"Spectacular" meant in sarcasm, I assume.

It really looks like Laffey, doesn't it?

Bitter pill for Lee if he's not on the August 31 roster.

Meanwhile, Elarton put up two 0's, allowed a single and a double, no walks and 3 K's.

by Jay on Aug 21, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Haha I was going to add in jest that I would rather have Elarton pitch against his former team on Saturday than Lee at this point.

by supermarioelia on Aug 21, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I couldn't say why, but I am intensely interested to see if Elarton ends up contributing some high leverage innings to this bullpen.  Darkhorse closer candidate?

by NickFantana on Aug 21, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
I wouldn't bet on it ... but I've heard crazier.

Elarton probably should have reinvented himself as a reliever two years ago, but the money he got as a starter was too good to pass up.

by Jay on Aug 21, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
It has been officially announced that Laffey will start Saturday.

by palcal on Aug 21, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
Hooray, sanity prevails!

Now work on this Wedge fella and his batting lineup where Blake and Lofton should bat ahead of Grady.

by hans on Aug 21, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sowers vs. Lee vs. Laffey in a SP Deathmatch
If it was me, I'd do the following:

  1. Have Lee start the game on the 30th so he could be eligible for the postseason, just in case one of our top 4 guys go down to injury and we need a veteran starter in the playoffs (I don't trust Sowers or Laffey to be a starter in the playoffs).

  2. Add Adam Miller to the 40.

  3. DL Mujica with a forarm strain/tendinitis/whatever to open a slot in case we want to use Miller ala Frankie Rodriguez in 2002.

by talonk on Aug 22, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts on your points!
Hello talonk,

Regarding #1 - Though Lee has more ML experience than Sowers or Laffey, he has no more playoff experience than those two; personally, I'd rather ride the hot hand.  Plus, we'd probably only need 3 starters for the first round.  

Now, in terms of becoming a reliever, Lee would probably be my first choice; there, I would agree, but not as a starter - Lee would be just as likely to implode as either Sowers or Laffey in my opinion, since NONE of them have playoff experience.

  1. I agree with this one, though I wouldn't rush him back, as I'd want to make sure he's healthy first.

  2. I agree with this point, though I'd think I'd rather DL LHP Aaron Fultz (yes, he has experience, but I'm not that comfortable with him; Mujica had also been better of late, though I'm not totally convinced about him yet, either, but despite Fultz's experience level, I'd be more willing to lose his arm than I would Mujica's if he proves he can get ML hitters out consistently - i.e. take the power arm with good control over the ML experience who has gotten ML hitters out more often than not this year, but has trouble getting out of bases loaded and runners on situations unscathed.  Plus, Wedge hasn't used him much lately, making me think he's lost confidence in him, plus the fact Perez has been terrific in the set-up role.)

Just my 2 cents.  :-)
Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Aug 23, 2007 12:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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