Let's Go Tribe!: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:



Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
New Blog: Backing the Pack for NC State Fans!


Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0

Monday: Indians 6, Tigers 5 (11 Innings)
Tuesday: Indians 7, Tigers 4
Wednesday: Indians 4, Tigers 2

With today's win, the Indians didn't officially clinch the AL Division, but with ten games to play and a 7.5 game lead on the Tigers, it's just matter of when, not if.

Think about this for a moment: Just over a month ago (August 16th), the Indians weren't even in first place, and they may clinch the division with a week to spare. They are now tied with the Angels for the best record in baseball. They've gained 8 games in the division standings in 33 days.

Things have gone right for the Indians, most notably the relative health of the club. Detroit's two key setup men, Fernando Rodney and Joel Zumaya, spent much of the season on the Disabled List. Zumaya gave up the key hit of the series on Monday, a game-tying home run off the bat of Jhonny Peralta. David Dellucci was the only position player to lose any appreciable time to injury, while Gary Sheffield was on and off the DL all season, and still isn't 100%.

But the Indians also had bad surprises in 2007, most notably the ineffectiveness of two of their starters (Cliff Lee and Jeremy Sowers), and a first-half DL stint to a third. Of the four free agents they signed for their bullpen, one (Keith Foulke) retired before the season started, one (Roberto Hernandez) was released a couple months into the season, and a third (Aaron Fultz) has been little more than a mopup man down the stretch. Josh Barfield, who was supposed to be the Indians' everyday second baseman, hit .246/.273/.326 and is currently useful only as a pinch runner. Andy Marte didn't even make it to Memorial Day.  

Marte's replacement, Casey Blake, won Friday's game with a home run. Jensen Lewis, who made his MLB debut just two months ago, pitched three high-leverage innings yesterday, allowing one baserunner. Asdrubal Cabrera, who was on the prospect radar but generally thought too young to be of any service this year, scored the first run on Monday and made an impressive defensive play to help finish the game today.

You'll notice thus far that I've said nothing about Leyland's wizened wisdom, or Eric Wedge's nervous tics. Of course the convenient narrative would be that Wedge learned the secret art of fundamentals and clubhouse tirades. Moving on...

When you're facing the second-best offense in baseball, having good starting pitching is going to be crucial. The first two games of the series featured two yeoman-like efforts by Indian starters. Paul Byrd gave up 5 early runs (not entirely his fault), but stuck long enough to have the bullpen set up for extra innings. Jake Westbrook had nothing as far as stuff was concerned, yet toughed it out for five innings. Neither got wins for their effort, but they played pivotal parts the victories. CC Sabathia pitched a strong seven innings today, and won his 18th (important for Cy Young voters, not so much for us).

The bullpen was even better than their usual selves, holding the Tigers scoreless over the course of the series. This included seven scoreless innings on Monday. And this came without Rafael Perez making a single appearance.

The Indians offense made the most of their opportunities, hitting eight home runs, four off Tigers ace Justin Verlander in Tuesday's win. The offense wasn't clicking, but took advantage of enough mistakes to stay in and finally win games.

The magic number is now 3, and with any luck, the Indians should leave Cleveland with a division flag hanging at the Jake.

Next Up: The first game of the rest of the season. Carmona vs. Blanton, 7:05 PM.

0 recs | Comment 65 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Clinching at home would be totally sweet. Ya know, if you had asked me in August, I couldn't have imagined the Indians being the first team in baseball to clinch a playoff spot, but here they are (with the Angels) down to a magic number of 3.

p.s: Barfied, of the Maybin school of baserunning, seems to be making himself less useful even as a baserunner.

by crazymoloh on Sep 20, 2007 1:23 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Barfield, of the Maybin school of baserunning

QFT.

Where'd my sig go.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 20, 2007 4:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
The best part was seeing Sheffield do the SAME THING. At least we know where he gets it from.

by zempf on Sep 20, 2007 9:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
it would be a fitting end to the playoff push this year if we clinched "at home" in seattle on tuesday.

here's to having the tribe clinch before then.

by fivekmd on Sep 20, 2007 8:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I love that it is a known fact in the media that the Yankees are the hottest team in baseball.

On other things. How does the tribe set up their playoff rotation? Do they skip days before Sabathia and Carmona's (after tomorrows) next start? They will not be in line to start games 1 and 2 unless they go on short rest before that, and that does not seem to be a good idea. Anyway, they will not be on their usual 5-6 days the next week and a half. I expect that Lee will get a start to make up the gaps.

by oxforddave on Sep 20, 2007 9:17 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Yes, those Yanks sure are hot!!  Killing the Orioles deserves headlines; beating Boston without Ramirez or Youkilis is also tough (especially with a beat-up bullpen in Boston).  It's hard to imagine who could ever beat them.  Maybe we should just cancel the World Series -- after all, it's a known fact that the Yankees ALWAYS win it.

by peter m on Sep 20, 2007 9:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps ESPN should consider this!
Hello everyone,

ESPN, with all their raving about the Yankees being the hottest team and just steamrolling up the standings, obviously missed this:

In the month of September:

NYY:  13-4
CLE:  13-5

Last 25 games:

NYY: 17-8
CLE: 20-5

NYY:  4 games vs. DET (above  .500)
      3 games vs. BOS (above  .500)
      3 games vs. TB  (below  .500)
      3 games vs. SEA (above  .500)
      3 games vs. KC  (below  .500)
      3 games vs. TOR (around .500)
      3 games vs. BOS (above  .500)
      3 games vs. BAL (below  .500)

9 games vs. below .500 teams  (7-2)
3 games vs. around .500 teams (2-1)
10 games vs. above .500 teams (6-4)

CLE:  6 games vs. CHW (below  .500)
      7 games vs. MIN (around .500)
      1 game  vs. SEA (above  .500)
      4 games vs. LAA (above  .500)
      3 games vs. KC  (below  .500)
      3 games vs. DET (above  .500)

9 games vs. below .500 teams (6-3)
7 games vs. around .500 teams (7-0)
8 games vs. above .500 teams (6-2)

Seems to me the Indians have pretty much matched the Yankees, if not outdone them by a slim margin due to the fact that we faced Minnesota, a .500 team, 7 times, including Johan twice, versus the Yankees facing the Blue Jays, another .500 team, just 3 times, and they didn't face Halladay and lost the one game in which Burnett started in that series.  Plus, we swept the around .500 team (Minnesota) and have a better winning percentage against the above .500 teams, while the Yankees mostly feasted on the below .500 teams, the quality of which they WON'T be facing in the postseason.  

So, the Yankees may not be QUITE as good as ESPN and others are believing - you're supposed to beat the cupcakes, but you don't face cupcakes in the postseason.  Analyzing how ones have done against quality competition, especially against ones you'll see in the postseason, likely would tell more about how good a ballclub is really doing.  That's why I like our chances.  :-)

Just something to think about when it comes to ESPN's propaganda regarding the Yankees' hot streak.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Sep 20, 2007 10:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Perhaps ESPN should consider this!
This is exactly the kind of post that keeps me reading this board day in and day out.  Nice work.

by Seattle Tribe Fan on Sep 20, 2007 10:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Perhaps ESPN should consider this!
Not to be a wet blanket  .. but the Yankees are 66-35 since June 1. The Indians are 57-43.

The Yankees have won 44 games by blowout (5+ or more runs). The Indians only 25.

They are a very dangerous team .. and have been so for 4 months straight now. We actually had a 6 week period where we were fortunate to be .500 (because of our incredible pitching).

by Toxicadam on Sep 20, 2007 11:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Perhaps ESPN should consider this!
Funny how we were "lucky" to have our great pitching, but their blowouts are purported to be extra-winner-ly.

The Yankees had a ten-week period where they were under .500.  Both teams have put their dry spells pretty convincingly behind them.

The Indians are plenty dangerous.  Ask the Tigers.  Ask the Twins.

by Jay on Sep 20, 2007 11:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying they're not dangerous, but
we're dangerous in our own right, and I believe we have the better pitching, and usually, good pitching will beat good hitting in October.  Not always, but usually.

Plus, as I showed in my post above, we've faced better competition over that same stretch the media talks about (the last 25 or so) and we've posted a better record.  And like I also said, it's not so much if you can beat the cupcakes; can you beat the quality competition, and in the recent stretch, the Indians have matched or outdone the Yankees in that category, against tougher pitching.  We've beaten Johan twice and Verlander twice in the last month, while the Yankees didn't beat Burnett or Beckett, nor faced Halladay.  

Essentially, as Jay put it, we are just as tough as the Yankees are, with better pitching, and usually, better pitching is what leads to victories in October, not better hitting.  The '95 Indians had as good of an offensive club as this Yankees' team does, yet did they tattoo Greg Maddux or Tom Glavine?  No.  Sabathia and Carmona both throw harder than those two and have comparable stuff to those two, which is why I think the Yankees won't be scoring that many runs off these two, whereas I think our offense is capable of scoring 4-5 runs off any of the Yankees starters.

In fact, wasn't one of the main complaints against the 90's Indians the fact we lacked a dominant ace?  Well, by my count, this 2007 edition has not 1, but 2, dominant aces.  Also by my count, the Yankees have essentially zero.  In my opinion, Pettitte/Clemens/Mussina remind me very much of Orel Hershiser and Dennis Martinez - quality veterans who are past their primes.  They can still deliver quality outings, but can't be counted on consistently to put up the dominant starts they were once able to do with regularity, much like Hershiser and Martinez in the mid-90s.

Combine that with a Mariano Rivera who hasn't been the same dominant closer he's been in the past (good, certainly, but not where you think the game is automatically over when he comes into the game - he nearly blew the lead against Baltimore on Wednesday, luckily able to strike out Scott Moore, who has limited ML experience, on an outside strike call with the bases loaded) and I think the Indians have at least a solid shot of defeating the Yankees in the postseason.  

The national media and many still think the Yankees have that invincible aura from past Octobers, but that hasn't helped them go all the way the past 6 seasons.  Plus, the Yankees haven't gotten out of the first round the past two years, to both the Angels (who have not been mystified by the so-called Yankee mystique) and the Tigers (who had no recent playoff history success against the Yankees, yet defeated them in 3 straight games after losing Game 1 if I remember correctly.)  

So, I'm not saying the Yankees aren't dangerous, but all this national media talk about the Yankees being the hottest team is incorrect, nor are they without their weaknesses, just like all the postseason participants have their strengths and weaknesses.

Just my 2 cents - no offense.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Sep 21, 2007 12:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Not to get ahead of ourselves, but yes, this is the question on my mind. It looks like it'll be Carmona, Byrd, Westbrook this weekend. C.C. could go in the first game in Seattle, but that would leave at least 7 days between that start and a would-be Game 1. Perhaps you give him an extra day or two now and set him to pitch in the playoffs on 5 or 6 days rest.

I don't know about Lee, as he's not "stretched out" to start. But Sowers and Laffey will definitely get a start in there somewhere...

My bet is that it'll become a lot clearer by Monday.

>> I reserve the right to extend and revise my remarks.

by paul sorrento to cooperstown on Sep 20, 2007 10:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I've been thinking about this, too.  Mainly because there is nothing else to worry about now.  I mean, other than whether our pitching will regress next year like the last two division winners.

Anyway, I think it depends on how much Wedge wants to invest in trying to get a top seed.  I would love to run our two studs out there at home in the first two games.  But it is also important to have them set up, regardless of where they are pitching.

Adding to the confusion is that we won't know until the very end which starting date we will have for the ALDS.  That's true, of course, for everyone.

by SuddenSam on Sep 20, 2007 11:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I'm actually less concerned about how our pitching sets up, and more concerned about how our lineup projects against the opposing starters.  I feel like our pitching is going to be solid regardless of who is on the hill, but I'm not so sure I feel the same way about the bats.

That said, who would we rather face?  

Boston's pitching has clearly been the class of the AL all season, though they've struggled some of late.  Beckett will be tough, Schilling has looked pedestrian, Dice-K is a giant question mark, and Wakefield is his usual junk balling self (a terrifying thought assuming he starts instead of Matsuzaka).

New York has obviously been going through starters the way the Tribe went through relievers last year, but their rotation has settled down of late.  Wang is another soft tosser, Pettite and Clemens have the postseason experience and are scary in a short series, and Mussina has looked better as of late (though I'd expect we'd see him in long relief).

As of now, I'd rather see the BoSox (the season series with NYY scares me), but I'm curious what others think.

by jjfoosk on Sep 20, 2007 12:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I'm fine with either, just so long as we're the away team. For whatever reason, Jake's home/away splits suggest that pitching him at Jacobs field would give us a better shot at winning his game.

  YEAR     Home/Away
  2007     4.06/4.83
  2006     2.88/5.40
  2005     4.31/4.66
  2004     2.37/4.34 [first season where Jake started the season in the rotation]
 04-06     3.22/4.70

Then again, anything can happen in the playoffs! But I do like the idea of lining up all the little match ups in one's favor and letting the results play out.

I don't it matters whether we pitch C.C or Carmona in NYY or BOS or the moon. Their Home/Away splits don't reveal much. Although Byrd's Home/Away splits for this season and 2006 suggest that he could benefit from pitching on the road.

In the end, I just want a rested and hungry rotation going right at the Yanks throat. I think they would have an advantage over us in the longer series (7 games) because we'd have to get 3 starts from Byrd and Westbrook. However, in the ALDS (8-day affair), they'd have to face C.C and Carmona 4 times. I don't care how good their offense is, facing our guys guys ain't no picnic.

by crazymoloh on Sep 20, 2007 1:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I can't see Westbrook starting, especially not with the more drawn-out schedule:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps_07.jsp

Unless they go with Westbrook over Byrd as a 3rd starter, but - again - I can't see that happening.

>> I reserve the right to extend and revise my remarks.

by paul sorrento to cooperstown on Sep 20, 2007 5:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
A 7 game series for the Yankees only exposes New York's starting pitching even more than a 5 game series does.

Today's debate on Mike and the Mad Dog on WFAN in New York was who will be the #4 starter in the Yankee's post-season rotation, Hughes, Kennedy or Mussina.

They figure it's Wang, Pettite and Clemens as the first three.  Matching either Byrd or Westbrook against The Rocket is a winnable affair for the Indians.

I see no way Cleveland could enter game 4 of a seven game series against the Evil Empire any worse than up 2-1.  That leaves us with the later of the Byrd-Westbrook combo for one of those three yahoo's.  I'll take that, especially with C.C. and  Fausto around the corner.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 20, 2007 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
NK, ALOLATJYJM. (Not kidding, actually laughing out loud at that joke you just made.)

by fleerdon on Sep 20, 2007 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I hope you don't think I'm going to search the web for visual representations of the number 1,000.

by Fiddlesticks on Sep 20, 2007 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
The geniuses at ESPN deem the Tribe to be one of the most surprising team of the year.

What know-nothing bullshit. What passes for anaylsis and knowledge in Bristol is criminal.

I had Cleveland penciled in to win the Central with at least 93 wins in April. I'm just surprised that after June and July, they've been able to pull off a hell of a run to get to 90.

by emd2k3 on Sep 20, 2007 11:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I wouldn't get too worked up about it. That's just ESPN marketing us as the "underdogs", so they can sell it to the rest of America (since we all love rooting for the underdogs) in case we win.

That's why ESPN will always be crap .. now they use Sportscenter and BBTN as a hype machine to sell their "product".

by Toxicadam on Sep 20, 2007 11:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Whatever, I'm all about being the underdog. Even in '95, I felt like we were underdogs. I just like like the "little guys" win.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 20, 2007 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0

Seems he'd fit in well in the old Sea of Red.

LET'S GO TRIBE

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 20, 2007 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Here are reasons to be be surprised...

  1. The 1-10 disaster of 2006, is now the staff's #2 pitcher and leading the AL in ERA.
  2. Sowers and Lee struggled so much that they were booted out of the rotation.
  3. Westbrook was injured for a while.

Now if they considered the above facts, then I would give them some credit, but I doubt it. I mean, a rotation losing 3 of 5 starters and having an afterthought step up to become a #2? Picking the Indians after that is serious crystal ball stuff. As fan, you could trot out the Royals 25 man roster, slap on an Indians uniform and I'd still believe that they'd make the playoffs.

p.s: I was never on the Tigers bandwagon though. Too many things went right for them last year. I actually thought the White Sox would be our nemesis for the division. Clearly wrong on that one.

by crazymoloh on Sep 20, 2007 12:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
One other thing to consider when structuring the postseason rotation is the style of pitcher we are throwing back-to-back. Do we follow Carmona's heavy sinker with a junkballer like Byrd? I think that would be a tough change of pace for a team to have to go up against. Byrd has also been healthy the entire year and in my opinion deserves the third spot at this point. One consideration that I have for Westbrook is that I definitely feel more comfortable with him pitching at home and may be enough for him to get a start ahead of Byrd depending on the circumstances.

by Roger Dorn on Sep 20, 2007 3:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Here's something interesting for you ... post-All-Star ERA for starters on AL postseason teams:

2.19  CLE  Carmona
2.68  CLE  Sabathia
2.91  BOS  Beckett
3.23  NYY  Pettitte
3.43  LAA  Lackey
3.45  CLE  Westbrook
3.55  BOS  Schilling*
3.83  LAA  Escobar
4.14  LAA  Weaver
4.21  LAA  Saunders
4.29  CLE  Byrd
4.39  NYY  Wang
4.45  BOS  Lester*
4.45  BOS  Clemens*
4.73  LAA  ESantana*
5.05  BOS  Wakefield
5.37  BOS  Matsuzaka
5.52  NYY  Mussina

* technically does not have enough IP to qualify

Nine weeks of data, take it as you will.

What it says to me is:

  • We have the best two starters.
  • Even if you took away Carmona or Sabathia, we would still have the best three-man rotation.
  • Not only that Westbrook is our Game Three starter, but he possibly would be the Game Two starter for any of the other teams.
  • Our worst straight slot-vs-slot matchup would be Byrd vs. Saunders, 4.29 vs. 4.21.

We've got the arms.

by Jay on Sep 20, 2007 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
when I go to argue this with some of my baseball snob friends who laugh at ERA as a meaningful statistic, what else can I use?

by ASP on Sep 20, 2007 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Out of curiosity, what is a meaningful statistic to your baseball snob friends?

by crazymoloh on Sep 20, 2007 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
You could use FIP, a stat on display at THT here=1&orderBy=fip&direction=ASC&page=1].
Beckett is narrowly edging CC right now, but both's FIP are remarkably close to their actual ERA. By this measure, Santana, Carmona, Lackey, and Haren have all been lucky to get to their super low ERAs. I also checked Westbrook's history to see if groundball pitchers have a naturally higher FIP, but there was no evidence to suggest this. Ditto for Webb. Anyway, interesting food for thought I guess.  

by The Animal on Sep 20, 2007 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
ok i obviously have link issues

here's the html:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=pitching&league_filter[0]=1&orderBy=fip&direction=ASC&page=1

by The Animal on Sep 20, 2007 4:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0

You think you have "Link issues"?????

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 20, 2007 4:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Would they accept ERA+? Fausto leads the league in that, too.

by Voltaire on Sep 20, 2007 3:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Your friends need to get over themselves.

This was a quick and dirty list.  I doubt using a more accurate stat would change it much.  All these pitchers are in the same league, and it happens that their four home parks have been the four highest run-scoring environments in that league this season.

If they have a more specific point to make, let them make it.

by Jay on Sep 20, 2007 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Pitching Runs Created.  Our pitchers probably aren't too high on the first list.

by nickjs21 on Sep 20, 2007 11:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I guess I didn't realize how good Westy has been the second-half. Get him on the hill

by Roger Dorn on Sep 20, 2007 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I love that you have "BOS Clemens" in there.

by zempf on Sep 20, 2007 4:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I guess that means he may not show up to accept this list in person.

by Jay on Sep 20, 2007 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I may get a little emotional if we clinch at home.  I was at the game the last time we clinched anything--2001, when Kenny Lofton and Chuck Finley carried the flag out to center field.  Unfortunately I'll be out of town this weekend, so it won't be possible to attend.

I'll be drinking one or two or twelve for all the Tribe fans when it happens.

by nickjs21 on Sep 20, 2007 9:35 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
As I only became a hopeless Tribe fan in 2003 (yes, 2003) I was only a bandwagon fan in the 90's (in addition to being rather young). What's it like when a team clinches at home? I've never seen a celebration on TV. What kind of thing is to be expected?

by Voltaire on Sep 20, 2007 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.

by mrich on Sep 20, 2007 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 20, 2007 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Lots of ovation, the team comes on the field and raises the "(Year) Central Division Champions" flag up the centerfield flag pole.  Clapping for about 30 consecutive minutes.  I think they say something on the scoreboard.  

In 2001 my father and I did the Fancast in the broadcasting booth during the 7th inning of that game.  On the elevator down, we were with Rick Manning as he made his way to the clubhouse with a mic in hand.  I told him this was all very exciting and he said, "You betcha."  He signed my dad's scorecard.  It was all pretty swell.

by nickjs21 on Sep 20, 2007 11:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I predict disappointment by me when they are about to unveil the new banner/flag and Extra Innings turns off the feed.

by ASP on Sep 21, 2007 9:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
'm quitting my job. I was just talking to a guy here and saying that if the Tribe won the World Series, I would get a big ol' Chief Wahoo tattood on my arm. I asked him if he'd ever consider doing that, and he went into the "no, since the yankees have won it so many times..." and I started razzing him for that, so he says "hey, we aren't the ones who choked in '97."

So, I think I'll put in my two weeks tomorrow. I can't work with "people" like that. I'd rather he made fun of my dead grandmother than bring up the '97 series.

Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 20, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No offense, but remind your "friend"
that the Yankees choked in the 2001 WS with the "best closer in the game" on the mound.  And, speaking of Rivera, he did give up the game-tying HR to Sandy Alomar in that '97 playoffs, so you could even make an argument that they choked in that '97 ALDS against us too.

So, it's not like we're the only ones who "choke" - so have the "great" (and yes, I'm being sarcastic here) Yankees.

Just my 2 cents.

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Sep 20, 2007 9:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
You might ask him, as long as he's bringing up choke jobs, if he can recall the identity of the only MLB team ever to lose a playoff series after leading it 3 games to none.

by Jackdaw on Sep 22, 2007 12:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
Ryan,

These were great insights.  It's almost scary how close they are to those
of Anthony Castrovince on indians.com.  

BTW, yours are time stamped. His are not.  Perhaps he's a fan?

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 20, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
It's probably just a coincidence. Last night's win seemed the culmination of the season to date, and a good opportunity to look back on what went right and wrong.

by Ryan on Sep 20, 2007 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
The Indians aren't any good. Just ask Joe Morgan! He's not yet convinced the Indians will clinch the Central.
"Albert Belle blooped the ball over the fence." -- Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox after Game 5 of the 1995 World Series

by Eric Plunk on Sep 21, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
from his recent chat, along with commentary from FJM stalwart Ken Tremendous:

Derrick Cleveland Ohio: Did Cleveland basically clinch it last night? First Cavs, here comes the Tribe, and let's go Browns!

Joe Morgan: Well no one has clinched, but they are in better position and if you are a betting man you are feeling good about Cleveland. But Cleveland could lose a couple here, so don't get ahead of yourself. Obviously Cleveland looks good, but the Mets looked good a week ago.

KT: Yes, let's not get ahead of ourselves. For example, this site says that there is only a 99.96% chance of the Indians making the playoffs. So be cool, everyone. No celebrating yet.

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/09/joseph-leonard-chat-morgan.html

by rolub on Sep 21, 2007 11:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
According to that report, if the Indians lose nine games, the Tigers still have only a 1-in-60 shot at catching them.

"That's how bad."

by Jay on Sep 21, 2007 12:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
In fairness, this was Wednesday morning so the Tigers still could have won the series.  Still, Joe Morgan is a complete idiot.

by NickFantana on Sep 21, 2007 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
My favorite two things from that blog are:
a) Morgan thinks that the word is concetrate and not concentrate
b) Joe is totally obsessed with Gary Sheffield. I laugh uincontrollably every time Ken Tremendous points it out

by Roger Dorn on Sep 21, 2007 6:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No offense, but if this was Wednesday morning,
the Tigers COULD NOT win this series because we had already won the first two.

Hello NickFantana,

Even if the Tigers had won that 3rd game, the lead still would have been 5.5 games, the magic number would have been 5 (now 4 after tonight's game,) and the Indians would still be a pretty strong bet to clinch the AL Central.

Just my 2 cents.  :-)

Go Tribe! :-)

by indiansfan on Sep 22, 2007 12:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
I was at the game Tuesday night and had Hafner's HR land right next to me.  My utter awe in watching the ball fly right towards us, and my girlfriend's complete state of oblivion (combined with small-luggage-sized purse on the ground between us) prevented me from getting into the aisle for a chance at it.

Hope I can redeem myself Saturday night, in addition to watching the division be clinched.

by rolub on Sep 21, 2007 11:03 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
No, no, that's to happen on Sunday, when I'LL be there.

by Voltaire on Sep 21, 2007 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Series in Review: Cleveland 3, Detroit 0
well if it works out the way rolub calls it, you'll be there for AAA night at the Jake.

by hans on Sep 21, 2007 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Constantly updated CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Start posting about the Indians »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Junkballer_small
Anatomy of a Wasted Season

Recent FanPosts

Dv-pabst_small
Your 2009 American League All-Stars
Hansonnnnn_small
In regards to Victor Martinez and Ryan Garko
Junkballer_small
The Struggles of Uncle Jhonny
Burgandy_1__small
Is Our Fans Learning?
Indiansfan-possibleavatarforlgt_minorleagueball__small
It's Time to Begin Working Toward 2010!
Hand_small
Shapiro's Latin American Endeavors
Small
Seeking Jamie Moyer
Jaketaylor_small
Start it with Shapiro
Jaret_small
Kerry Wood - 3 and out?

Post_icon New FanPost All FanPosts Carrot-mini

Featured Poll

Poll
Biggest 2009 Breakout
Asdrubal Cabrera
84 votes
Jhonny Peralta
63 votes
Anthony Reyes
51 votes
Jensen Lewis
4 votes
Matt LaPorta
70 votes
David Huff
25 votes
Scott Lewis
14 votes
Aaron Laffey
12 votes
Tony Sipp
13 votes
Ben Francisco
28 votes
Travis Hafner
96 votes

460 votes | Poll has closed

BUY THE BOOK

Indians Annual 2009 from Maple Street Press

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Wedge Won't be Fired Midseason
Martin Shines at AAA Syracuse
Gotta love the media
Herges DFA, Abreu Up
Independence Day Rumor Rundown
View From the Booth: Carmona to the Clippers
Meloan dealt to Rays
Newsflash: Zombie Marte Sighted by Fangraphs
Nyjer Morgan is a Valuable Asset...
Indians international prospect ages three years overnight

Post_icon New FanShot All FanShots Carrot-mini

SweetBabooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Sweet Baboo, now with glitter


Managers

Seagull_on_sale_pier_small Ryan

Walter_small Jay

Authors

3444ant_black_small APV

47b8dd28b3127cceb64839d9746800000026102bauwjrq3za_small afh4

Official Partner of Yahoo! Sports