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Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twins 0

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Highest WPA:

CC Sabathia .329
Ben Francisco .079
Travis Hafner .069

Lowest WPA:

Franklin Gutierrez -.037
Chris Gomez -.025
Casey Blake -.004

That was quite a reversal. A day after playing one of the worst games of the season, the Indians beat Johan Santana for the fifth time, dominating the Twins in virtually all aspects of the game. Everything worked, whether it be starting Victor Martinez with Ryan Garko at the plate, getting runners home with less than two outs, or even sitting Grady Sizemore.

CC Sabathia was great again, going eight innings on exactly 100 pitches, allowing seven base runners on six hits and a walk. Of course, the Twins lineup included Rondell White and Nick Punto, who apparently were in the lineup because they were right-handed.

Even in the era of expanded divisional play, it's rare to face a starting pitcher six times in a season. It's even rarer still to beat him five times, no matter how good or how bad he is. It hasn't happened to a Twins pitcher since 1974. This is probably on the same plane as the 2006 grand slam bonanza: it's a great accomplishment, but it's not happening again.  

Six up. Twenty-five to play.

Next Up: Laffey vs. Slowey, 8:10 PM

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Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
You have to give Francisco credit...when he got sent back down to Buffalo he kept on raking.

by APV on Sep 3, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
I thought he was doing as well as Gootz was (maybe even better with his power).

In a perfect world, Trot Nixon would have been DFA'd or pulled a Dellucci and allowed for Ben to stay with us the entire time.

I do NOT want to see this guy being traded in the off-season. But, the reality is that he may very well be.

by Toxicadam on Sep 3, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
why not trade Michaels, and slot Ben in a platoon in LF with Dellucci? You could swing him over to right field to give Gutz days off when Gutz is facing tough righties (if you believe Ben's reverse splits).

by hans on Sep 3, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
Why not trade Michaels AND/OR Dellucci?

The Kids Are Alright!

by JulioBernazard on Sep 4, 2007 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
This debate entirely loses its meaning when you pit large groups of players against each other. Compare players, not ages or characterizations.  

That being said...

Francisco's turning 26 in October. He just got done dominating AAA (which he should have done, by the way, considering his age and experience). There's little the Indians can find out by sending him back to AAA. So they should definitely explore dealing Jason Michaels if they can get a good return because they have a cheaper and possibly better option in Francisco.

by Ryan on Sep 4, 2007 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
I agree, Fransisco's a better option - mostly for monetary reasons but he's also got a better upside.

So why not Guterierez instead of Dellucci too?  Mostly for the same reasons.

Course I'd still like to keep Kenny - for nostolgia purposes mostly - but the boy still can play.

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
I don't really see Gutierrez and Dellucci in direct competition - the one is only a left fielder, the other would be wasted in left field.

It's a given that Nixon will be gone, and a good chance Lofton won't even play next season.

The reason I'd advocate both Dellucci and Francisco on the same roster is reducing your risk. Dellucci if playing up his career averages is a decent starter. Besides, with his platoon splits, it gives a natural opportunity for Francisco to get at least semi-regular playing time. There's no need to make a rash move when you can have the two players compete for a spot during the season.

by Ryan on Sep 4, 2007 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
I agree with this completely, plus we'd wouldn't get much for Dellucci right now, and he certainly shouldn't be judged on what he did in a short stint with us before being injured.

by hans on Sep 4, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
I agree that competition between BF and DD would be good, and either can be traded during the season next year.

I disagree that Kenny might shut it down next year: someone will be willing to give him a look.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 4, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
Good return for J-Mike = bag of baseballs to throw to Francisco in BP

by JulioBernazard on Sep 4, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
Michaels is hitting .264/.313/.404 as a player who doesn't get regular playing time. He's hitting .281/.348/.446 against left-handed pitchers.

How did we get from "Michaels is replaceable" to "Michaels stinks?"

by Ryan on Sep 4, 2007 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
I've just never liked him. Might be cuz he never lived up to all that "dream #2 hitter" hype that arrived with him.

by JulioBernazard on Sep 4, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
wasn't there some debate about whether goleski or francisco should be added to the 40 during the offseason?  wow, talk about a hindsight no-brainer...

by Brick. on Sep 4, 2007 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
Why don't you want to see Ben traded?  

by nickjs21 on Sep 3, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: -even: Indians 5, Twins 0
And he officially won the Int'l League batting title today.

by TribeJay on Sep 3, 2007 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Are we still the worst?  First-place team?  Ever?

by SuddenSam on Sep 3, 2007 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I'd like to think I'm not prone to superstition, but that banner stays.

by nickjs21 on Sep 3, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I wonder what other teams fans think when they visit this site.

"Boy, these guys are NEVER going to be happy, are they?"

lol

by Toxicadam on Sep 4, 2007 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I heard a stat thrown out on Mike and Mike on ESPN radio this morning that since the wild card was added, 93% of teams leading the division on Labor Day went on to win the division and 97% of those teams made the playoffs.

That also means that here's a 7% chance that we'll lose the divsion and a 3% chance we'll miss the playoffs.

From a Clevelander's persective those odds are still too high.  Fans from somewhere else just wouldn't understand.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 4, 2007 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I think the stat was 83% .. and jumps up to 89% for teams leading by 5 games or more.

by Toxicadam on Sep 4, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Laffey vs. Slowey? Aren't they two of the Seven Dwarfs? Oh wait a minute, I'm thinking od Dopey and Grumpy, aka Ocker and Hoynes.
Quite possibly the only Tribe fan to have lived in Nome, Alaska

by ghost of omar on Sep 4, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
"That also means that here's a 7% chance that we'll lose the divsion and a 3% chance we'll miss the playoffs."

It doesn't work like that, logically speaking, but they're massively in our favor nonetheless.

by homelytourist on Sep 4, 2007 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Logic has nothing to do with being a fan of Cleveland sports teams.  

My point was, odds massively in our favor or not, if there's a team that can defy those odds and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, you can probably see Lake Erie from its home stadium.  We are, by no means, out of the woods yet.  

For that reason, keep the header to this web site as it is.  Who cares what visitors from other cities think.  Do their teams hold some of the longest championship droughts in each of the three major sports?  They don't understand, and they should hope and pray that they never will.

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 4, 2007 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I'm not sure how long it will stay.  I do think that the more they win, the funnier it gets.  I can't think of a better tribute to and send-up of Cleveland sports fatalism.

Regarding the odds, it's obviously looking like a lock.  But we're never going to see a lock any better than we had in 2005, and it wasn't enough.  If we were three games up with three games to go, that still wouldn't be as much of a lock as we had a week before the end of the 2005 season.

So for "feeling damned good about the situation," we're already really deep into that territory.  As for anything more than that ... the only lock is a clinch.

by Jay on Sep 4, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
My Philly friends keep tellin' me about the Phightin's in '64.  Ya think Wedge has anything in common with Gene Maunch?
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Only if Wedge starts pitching CC and Fausto every other day.

by caetano424 on Sep 4, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
The bulk of my experience as an Indians fan is with the 90s teams, so I guess that I don't really understand where the defeatism of the "cursed" generation comes from.  

I don't think we're really all that special, but I never knew the trauma of those Browns and Cavs losses, so that's probably why.

Not everyone here suffers Clevaland sports equally.  Some people even root for the Dallas Cowboys!  I kid you not.  

by homelytourist on Sep 4, 2007 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I cheer for the Buffalo Bills; they're actually a team in the NFL. Most people haven't heard of them.

by afh4 on Sep 4, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I heard Cleveland has a pro football team too.  It's great, they have uniforms and everything.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 4, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Cowboys fans are barely any better than Yankees fans.  Disgusting.

One of the only good things I can say about Philly sports fans is, they really hate the Cowboys.

by Jay on Sep 4, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I'm not a fan of philly teams, but I am a fan of their fans. They have:

A) Booed Mike Schmidt
B) Booed Santa Claus
C) Thrown Batteries at J.D. Drew
D) Booed Bobby Abreu an inning after hitting a 3 run homerun to take the lead, for bobbling a ball and throwing a guy out at home.

and my favorite:

E) At a Phillies game, allowed me to start the "Bring in Mesa" chant. I had the whole right field bleacher area doing it, and when they brought him in we booed the $hiz out of him.

God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 4, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
You got two of my bottom four.  In no particular order (other than the Yankee's fans are at the top of my ass hole list) they are:

  • Yankees
  • Cowboys
  • Lakers
  • Notre Dame
with the Raiders fans in the mix until their team turned to crap and they blended back into the woodwork.

Working in Philly has given me a new appreciation for their fans.  They maybe even nuttier than Cleveland fans.  One of my colleagues who grew up on the Southside of Philly gave me 40 minutes of why Mike Schmitt isn't a real Philly and would never make his, or any other Philly fan's, list of all-time great Phillys.  

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I'd throw "All New England Sports fans" into the mix down there too. They are equally obnoxious in all sports now, with the addition of Kevin Garnett. I can't even talk baseball shop with most people up here, as all they know about is within a 200 mile radius.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 4, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I can't stand sports fans named Alfred.  Every Alfred I've ever met is obnoxious, bombastic, and rude, and most of them are fat.  This criticism extends to those who root for Alfred University as well.  

by Fiddlesticks on Sep 4, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
My cousin went to Alfred University and he's not any of those things.  He majored in art with an emphasis in ceramics.

by woodsmeister on Sep 5, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Quietly pokes his head up! Admit I follow the Dallas Cowboys and for that matter the Lakers!!

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 4, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Man you just ruined it - I was planning on moving to Christ Church.
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Oh yeah, and New Zealand is home to the best beer on the planet - Toohey's Ale - yum!
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Wrong Island, Toohey's is a product of the West Island aka Australia.

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 4, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Wait - wait I know you live there and I haven't even gotten there yet, but the Kiwi's I work with tell me there's one kinda Toohey's (named after the bird) brewed in Australia and another brewed in NZ.  Maybe I got the spelling wrong?

Either way you can't get Toohey's in Hawaii.  Pretty sure you can get it in NZ - right?

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
NZ beer is Tui after the native bird. Toohey's? You can probably find it if you hunt for it. I've had it when visiting Australia.

You are heading this way? If you need somewhere to stay in Auckland, no problem putting you up. Goes for anyother LGTer.

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 5, 2007 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Yep, I'm confused heres the stuff I've been drinking.  Love the ale.

Looks like I'll either be working in Arkansas or Kazakhstan - pretty much indistinguishable one from the other - probably won't be getting to NZ any time soon.  But I do appreciate the invite.  

Same here - you get to Maui you've got a place to stay.

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 5, 2007 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Explain to me why it doesn't work like that.  It's bimoday, right?  You either win or you don't - you go to the playoffs or you don't.  Am I missing something here?
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Quoting: "93% of teams leading the division on Labor Day went on to win the division and 97% of those teams made the playoffs."

This is just recent precedent. Doesn't necessarily indicate that we have a 97% chance this season, (although--conincidentally--we do have roughly those odds, follow?)    

by homelytourist on Sep 4, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Kinda like that Pythagoras deal you guys put so much faith in.  
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I put a lot of faith in luck.  That's what it takes, right?
I'm agnositc when it comes to the Sports Gods.

by homelytourist on Sep 4, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Luck was the official reason - given by the stats mavens - that the Tribe finished 78-84 even though they they scored about 100 runs more than the opposition. I say it was cuz they choked.
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
The official reason?  Given by whom?

As you and I have discussed in person, I think it's arrogant in a way for someone to attribute to luck any effect that has not been otherwise quantified and correlated as of the present time.

But "choking" has even less credibility when it comes to a season-long record.  How many times did they choke exactly?  Five?  Ten?  Twenty?  And did they choke in individual plate appearances or over the course of an entire game?

Just as with the "Wins" and "Losses" credited to starting pitchers, people like to talk about a player "knowing how to win" or "choking," but it's always at a distance, looking across a whole season.  Whenever you scrutinize it down to an individual game, it falls apart completely.

So go ahead ... let's have that list of the specific instances where the 2006 team choked.

For what it's worth, my own "official" explanation was that the relievers sucked and the entire infield simultaneously became incompetent.  Both of these will open the door both to bad luck and to things that merely look like bad luck -- BABIP doesn't make that distinction for us.

by Jay on Sep 4, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Jeez - it was said in jest.  Try not to be so touchy.

And yes, luck was envoked by one of the self appointed stats mavens - I didn't just pull it outta my ass.  But I gotta admit I don't have a link.

My official/unofficial explanation is there is no explanation.  The Indians record is 2-3 standard deviations outside the norm - these things happen.  Much like Garko's performance in the majors and your hoped for performance by Marte - once he gets up the big club.

But ya gotta admit a lossing record with an almost 100 run bulge is pretty weird.

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
"self-appointed stats maven" .  That makes me chuckle, Chuck.  You and I both know that I'm not a rigidly analytic mind--I'm not pushing numbers down your throat; I've never even dropped xFIP!  I think you just have a beef with the new school.

If the "God hates Cleveland" talk is old school, then yeah, I'm new school.  Otherwise I'm just a highly interested fan.

by homelytourist on Sep 4, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Touchy?  I agreed with part of what you said -- that you can't dismiss it as "bad luck."  Just trying to further the discussion.

By the way, Pie Traynor couldn't tell his glove from a brick, and neither could anyone who watched him play third base.

by Jay on Sep 5, 2007 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
BTW, Hafner was clutch tonight.  Asdrubal deserves a clutch award of merit too.  But that GT HR wasn't random.  That was Joe freakin'  Nathan, not pitcher #286D.

And I thought it'd be a good idea for him to just shut it down for a while, so I will gladly eat that crow.

by homelytourist on Sep 5, 2007 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Hey, I couldn't be happier that Hafner looks like he's back - even if I gotta buy Jay a beer.

And it's not that I'm anti-stats - hell I use stats in my profession every day.  There are two things that stick in my craw about how they're used in the baseball world.  One, the users are sloppy.  No standard deviation, no confidence interval, no way to check precision and accuracy.  Sloppy.  And two, there used uncritically.  A while back Ryan quoted some study that purported to show that $4M in free agent salary equated to 1 win above replacement.  This shoulda been pretty easy to check - only nobody did any reality checking - they just swallowed in whole.  Sloppy.  This kinda anlysis would get you laughed outta the meeting room in my business.

But it looks like we're headed for good times, even after all the hand wringing in late July/early August.  Who woulda guessed?

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 5, 2007 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
The study Ryan cited was from a credible source.  Other than nitpicking of the word "equated," I can't remember a single criticism that stood up to any scrutiny.  Buying wins through free agency is, on the average, enormously expensive.

It is true that without confidence intervals or an understanding of deviation, all baseball stats should be taken with a grain of salt, and offered up with at least a dash of humility.  A sense of arrogance is what results when those armed with stats are answering those armed with only their subjective observations.  And whatever you can say about laughable stats, I can promise you that subjective observations are way way way more overrated by their offerers than stats.

by Jay on Sep 5, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.  Rich Ankiel had a less than stellar OBP in AAA.  Anybody with a Baseball Prospectus link can see that.  But to project that data point into how he's gonna do in the majors simplified the issue to absurdity.  Ankiel is clearly a non-standard player.  You have to use some judgement here.

I'm not saying that Ankiel is/was a lock to make it as a major league outfielder.  I don't think anyone - including his mom - thought Rick Ankiel would have the kinda major league start he's had so far.  But ya gotta give him a little better than above average shot.

See, it's easy to quote stats but its hard to evaluate players.  It takes a lot more skill than calculating which number is bigger than another.

LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 5, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
See, it's easy to quote stats but its hard to evaluate players.  It takes a lot more skill than calculating which number is bigger than another.

Which is why I'm just a blogger, not a well-paid baseball executive.

by Ryan on Sep 5, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
This is even funnier:

Worst. World Champions. Ever.

by ploni on Sep 4, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I could use a laugh like that!
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Sep 4, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh...
  I say this with fingers crossed...but do you think Sheldon Ocker feels any sort of regret calling the Tribe nothing better than a third place team at the beginning of the season?

by Rusnakjd @ Let's Go Tribe! on Sep 4, 2007 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Huh...
What about Hoynes picking them as the fourth best team!

by hans on Sep 4, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Huh...
Yeah, I thought of that too.  I was among the majority of readers here who thought that was a ludacris prediction, and it was clear he hadn't put a lot of thought into it.

What a douche bag.

by homelytourist on Sep 4, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Huh...
"Ludacris prediction." Or, a prognostication made by Chris Bridges.
D.S. 8/26/07

by Brad D on Sep 4, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Isn't Jason Michaels gone after this season anyway (contract expires) or did we extend him?
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 4, 2007 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
We signed him to an extension in January.  

2007 - $2M
2008 - $2.15M
2009 - $2.6M club option

He's very cheap.  You can get most contract information from Cot's Baseball Contracts.

by APV on Sep 4, 2007 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Ahh, missed that. I don't see that as a terrible contract, provided you have a decent LH to platoon with him and Gutz. And I suppose that bat will be Dellucci's, with his 3 year deal.
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 4, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven:
So, for lack of a better place to put this.  I had a great weekend in NE Ohio.   Went to Friday's comeback and Saturday's Cobra Attack.  Both nights had some of that stilton cheese soup (and several steins of the Octoberfest) at GLBC before the game.  Sunday I was boating and had no access to soup, so that loss was on me.  Monday I listened to much of the game on the way to the airport enjoying the styilings of Mr. Hamilton while recovering from polishing off a growler of Octoberfest.

It was awesome to see scores of people dawning Tribe gear again, scoreboard watching and talking baseball - talking Indians baseball.  It was great to see two robust crowds at the games I attended and really excellent to see the place go nuts when Casey hit that double.  I won't get back to the Jake for the rest of '07 so those will be my strongest memories for this season no matter the eventual outcome.

Still looking forward to next week's series on the Southside though to close out my season at the ballpark(s).

by Brick. on Sep 4, 2007 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven:
I was at a Cubs rooftop yesterday and there was an older gentleman in a Sizemore jersey. He wanted to send Peralta down or cut him; he had a tattoo of Chief Wahoo in the middle of the Harley-Davidson logo. I agreed about Peralta.

by afh4 on Sep 4, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven:
come on, you didn't feel compelled to argue offensive positional metrics with him?  Maybe he had a tatoo reading VORP integrated with a snake slithering between the letters on the small of his back...

by Brick. on Sep 4, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven:
Ah, I miss you guys.
Now the Lord can make you tumble, and the Lord can make you turn, and the Lord can make you overflow... but the Lord can't make you burn

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 4, 2007 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
For the record, I saw Jason Michaels Sunday night in Minneapolis. Sadly my camera was in the hotel.

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 4, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
John (Chicago IL): C.C. Sabathia has got to be a Cy Young Frontrunner. He is in the top 10 in the league in every major statistical category, including leads in wins and innings and fifth in era. Plus he's beaten Santana three times head to head for a division leader?

SportsNation Rob Neyer: Well, okay. But in terms of what the voters look at -- wins, losses, ERA, strikeouts -- there's really not much separating him from Beckett and Lackey, not to mention Haren and Escobar, both of whom have sub-3.00 ERA's. The award probably goes to whoever's lucky enough to win 20 games.

Tom (Stratford): Looks like you were right about the Indians. How much does Borowski put them at risk in the playoffs? I know the closer position may be a little over-rated, but they don't strike me as a team that's going to have many 8 runs games that make the closer moot in the playoffs.

SportsNation Rob Neyer: I touched on this in the blog last week ... Borowski's obviously not a top closer, but I do think he's somewhat better than his lousy ERA. I also think we might see him demoted between now and October if he has a few more rough outings. But you know, it's not like Betancourt and Rafael Perez aren't pitching important innings already, and the Indians are not loaded with great relievers.

Brad (Columbus, OH): I know this is still early, but let's say that the Red Sox, Indians, Angels, and Yankees all make the playoffs in the AL. Who's your early pick?

SportsNation Rob Neyer: I like the Indians is Hafner's healthy, and the Red Sox otherwise. But they're all quite good, and none would be surprising World Champs.

by ASP on Sep 4, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
He shoulda said "if Hafner is hitting".
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 4, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I noticed when Perez walked Morneau to start the 9th last night, it was Betancourt - not JoBo - warming up for a potential save situation, even though JoBo should have been well rested. Perhaps that's a sign that saving games my become a role for Betancourt (could even be a backup role if JoBo goes down due to an injury).

by kov on Sep 4, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Maybe Betancourt will be brought into save situations where base runners are already on. Or at least, that's what I pray we do in the playoffs. :)

by Toxicadam on Sep 4, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Unfortunately I don't see the Indians going very far in the playoffs. Our best bet is if the matchups are

Boston vs Wild Card
Indians vs Angels

I think the Sox are going to win it all this year, at least on paper which is of course...paper

by world dictator on Sep 4, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I think we will have to really look at how well Manny can come back from his nagging injury that has kept in a sub-Manny year thus far. Also a big blow is that Schilling is pitching the rest of the year with less velocity (noticeable lower K rate of late) and this is due to arm problems which not sever enough to shut him down are bad enough to cause problems in his velocity (his location appears fine, but he's not the same guy if he can't K 7/G.

by hans on Sep 4, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
um..... haven't the past couple of years told you anything about the crap shootyness of the playoffs?

  1. CHW nearly coughed up a 15 game lead to the Indians and limped into the playoffs. No one gave them a snowball's chance of doing shit in the playoffs. Wiped out BOS in 3, Angels in 5 and Astros in 4.

  2. DET limps into playoffs getting passed by MIN on the way there. Everyone begins crowing NYY and DET beats them in 4 and OAK in 4. STL limps into playoffs worse than DET, barely gets by the Mets and are penciled in to be swept by DET in 4. They beat DET handily.

p.s: This isn't endemic to baseball. Wasn't the over-under for college football championship game OSU-triple digits, Florida-zero?

by crazymoloh on Sep 4, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
It's rare for any playoff team to have more than a 15% chance of winning it all.  The edges in baseball are small enough to begin with -- the best teams are .600, the worst are .400 -- and among the only the top eight teams, the differences are very, very small.

For the first time I can remember, the Indians seem to have a roster better suited to the postseason than the regular season.  The rotation is deep yet still heavily weighted to the top two spots.  The bullpen is extremely top-heavy, which again favors us in the postseason despite the shaky closer.

We'll have a deep bench that will lend itself to all kinds of situational nonsense.  Finally, we have an outfield that is composed almost entirely of competent center fielders, which significantly curbs our vulnerability to wild variance, i.e., the fine line between outs and doubles.

by Jay on Sep 5, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
If we just had 2-3 hot bats going in - we'd have it all.  
LeBron must GO!

by mauichuck on Sep 5, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I'm hoping Jhonny's two doubles today are a sign of his bat waking up, because he has pretty much sucked for the past month or so.  Jhonny transforms the lineup when he goes on a tear, and he's capable of it.

by Jay on Sep 5, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
I tell you what... I have been trying for years to significantly curb my vulnerability to wild variance...

by Brick. on Sep 5, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
and I know it's only an extra hour than normal, but I can't wait for tonight's game.

by ASP on Sep 4, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Agreed, 8:10 cant get here fast enough
God truly does hate cleveland sports.

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 4, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Game One Hundred Thirty-Seven: Indians 5, Twin
Didn't the Indians get the memo about how Mastny sucks? Why not give garbage innings to someone who hasn't yet established themselves as a garbage pitcher?

by crazymoloh on Sep 4, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

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